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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 28, 2019 16:25:07 GMT
The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking. It sounds to me like NJ is here to stay come what may. Or come May,when we will become a Div1 club.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 16:26:00 GMT
So where does the probably ultimately lie then? Take your pick ... Crap Manager, Crap Players, Crap CEO, Crap Decision Making by Owners, Crap Gypsy that put a curse on us, Crap Fans wanting consistent instant success (that's not the Stoke DNA, you know), Crapity crap crap. Personally I think it's a bit of all the above, and I think it's going to take more than another manager change to resolve - hence, 3-6 years. I think that that is and has been the main issue and they're continuing that form right now, persisting with Jones. They've chosen poor managers, who have bought poor players and now they're hiding behind the sofa, hoping something will magically materialise, without them having to do anything themselves.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 28, 2019 16:30:14 GMT
Is there actually any evidence to suggest they are sounding out potential replacements? I can understand them not sacking him over the weekend and installing a new man immediately, as it would give the impression they were in discussions whilst Jones was still in the post. Funny that papers have even suggested he is close to the precipice?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 16:34:36 GMT
My feelings exactly. I go a step further, as painful as it will be, I think we need to run every single last one of them off and start with a blank page. Someone on here said 6 years to rebuild and I am starting to agree with him/her. If we do it in 3 .... whoopee! But I've resigned myself to the long haul. Owners? I don't think we will get better owners, so we have to learn to live with the dithering, and hope that John Coates starts to learn himself and lives up to his initials! Why should it take 3-6 years? We were relegated with West Brom and Swansea, both clubs have (like us) had two managers since that relegation and currently, West Brom are top and Swansea are second. Whilst we're rock bottom of the league, six points from safety, having spent a truck load more than either team. They have a sound club structure, a recruitment that works very well, and a playing philosophy that gets them going. We have no such thing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 28, 2019 16:37:28 GMT
If we can't get the guy we want in by Tuesday I don't see why we'd get rid of him yet tbh, his time should probably be up but one of the things people moaned about rehughes was not having a replacement ready signed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 16:37:59 GMT
Now, now. That we didn't. We did ok for 20, maybe 25 minutes. ok, well maybe not the full 45 however, we did look aggressive, pushing forward and took opportunities when they presented themselves. We played as a coherent attacking team that played their opposition off the park for that period. perhaps i'm so starved of 'football' that anything remotely positive can be over-emphasized! Unfortunately we only took ONE opportunity in that early surge.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 16:38:45 GMT
Why should it take 3-6 years? We were relegated with West Brom and Swansea, both clubs have (like us) had two managers since that relegation and currently, West Brom are top and Swansea are second. Whilst we're rock bottom of the league, six points from safety, having spent a truck load more than either team. They have a sound club structure, a recruitment that works very well, and a playing philosophy that gets them going. We have no such thing. Well I can only agree with you there mate.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2019 16:45:09 GMT
I'm so baffled that he is still here that I hardly can express it! I must also admit I'm very frustrated about the whole situation and can't understand what they are waiting for?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 16:48:52 GMT
It sounds to me like NJ is here to stay come what may. Or come May,when we will become a Div1 club. It's not the worst that could happen. It might even be for the best with a proper long term strategy, although obviously that is not a given.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 16:50:57 GMT
I'm so baffled that he is still here that I hardly can express it! I must also admit I'm very frustrated about the whole situation and can't understand what they are waiting for? Like everyone they're waiting for our first winning spree to consolidate ourselves and move forwards.
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Post by march4 on Sept 28, 2019 16:58:48 GMT
The Huddersfield game has always been the crunch match. If they beat us, we are adrift - then unless we make a change the writing is on the wall. Three go down. We are adrift now.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 28, 2019 17:02:18 GMT
The track record of appointing the right man of the powers that be is a bit of a worry.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 28, 2019 17:20:10 GMT
Wonder what the reaction of the board will be if we draw on Tuesday.?
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Post by starkiller on Sept 28, 2019 17:20:12 GMT
These are very dark times indeed.
I don't know any other club that wouldn't sack a manager with such an abysmal record.
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Post by CampbxllEra on Sept 28, 2019 17:23:40 GMT
Wonder what the reaction of the board will be if we draw on Tuesday.? They’ll definitely keep him for another 2 games 🤦♂️
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2019 17:31:27 GMT
Wonder what the reaction of the board will be if we draw on Tuesday.? They’ll definitely keep him for another 2 games 🤦♂️ Why!? Have the whole board gone mad or something??? Can't they see what everyone else does!?? We need a new manager now, stop dithering around, make a decision worthy of our club! It's outright stupid to go for a policy where you lose more and more fans!
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Post by skelman on Sept 28, 2019 17:35:57 GMT
Or come May,when we will become a Div1 club. It's not the worst that could happen. It might even be for the best with a proper long term strategy, although obviously that is not a given. Bunker mentality and likely to result in our best assets being sold in January followed by relegation!! Jones can stick his diamond and the Coates family will probably give it 1 more season before they sell the club!!
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 17:38:47 GMT
He’s been here for 10 months and made us worse when we were already dreadful. What are you watching? I’m genuinely baffled as to how anyone can think this is acceptable. We were competent for 30 minutes last night and that’s enough improvement to keep someone who has won 4 games 30 odd? The pressing and aggression and running last night until Jack's blunder was what I was watching. It's the first time I've seen us harry a team to go back to their gk from an attacking position in ages. What were you watching? Just the result? Unfortunately though that was driven by badou and etebo, now that badou looks injured and we see the return of joe allen the possession will suffer as will the aggression to getting hold of the ball and driving it through midfield
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Post by Fred Ferret on Sept 28, 2019 17:41:09 GMT
Quite possibly, NJ is simply caretaker for the last game.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 17:43:15 GMT
Are all you people criticising on here saying you can't see in the last two home matches that you haven't seen the improvement because Jones's coaching is starting to take effect? Bring a new man in before Tuesday who changes things we lose a match we should win. Don't underestimate the certain players'part in this shambles. No way do you want a new manager losing a 6 pointer in his first game. We are stuck on the bottom but now the league has settled we are not that far off if we go on a good run under Jones or someone else. Teams above us have stopped picking up points. Did you realise for example that Derby have won 1 match away at Middlesborough on the fr irst day of the season? We are not the only ones in trouble. There have been improvements but that isnt difficult when we’ve been so awful. We have some decent players a new manager could get even more out of them. That's what concerns me cobs, we have been so bad and level of football has been so awful that any period of improvement even if its 10 minutes in a game is being perceived by some as signs of improvement instead of the realisation that this is a bare minimum as it where we should he
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 17:48:42 GMT
There have been improvements but that isnt difficult when we’ve been so awful. We have some decent players a new manager could get even more out of them. That's what concerns me cobs, we have been so bad and level of football has been so awful that any period of improvement even if its 10 minutes in a game is being perceived by some as signs of improvement instead of the realisation that this is a bare minimum as it where we should he We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 17:49:53 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. Bet they remember how to do it on a windy tuesday night in stoke
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2019 17:50:32 GMT
That's what concerns me cobs, we have been so bad and level of football has been so awful that any period of improvement even if its 10 minutes in a game is being perceived by some as signs of improvement instead of the realisation that this is a bare minimum as it where we should he We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me. Your posts get funnier by every growing one😄another one that Nathan has brainwashed
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 17:52:44 GMT
That's what concerns me cobs, we have been so bad and level of football has been so awful that any period of improvement even if its 10 minutes in a game is being perceived by some as signs of improvement instead of the realisation that this is a bare minimum as it where we should he We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me. With relegation results unfortunately
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 17:58:17 GMT
We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me. Your posts get funnier by every growing one😄another one that Nathan has brainwashed Why? Having watched the games, I don't think performances have been as bad as results. Why does that mean I'm brainwashed? Because my opinion on the football in front of me is different to yours?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 17:58:56 GMT
We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me. With relegation results unfortunately Very much so, but I'm more hopeful that the results will change under Jones than I am under TP/McCarthy/Pardew/whatever fat old bloke we would go for as a replacement.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 18:04:55 GMT
With relegation results unfortunately Very much so, but I'm more hopeful that the results will change under Jones than I am under TP/McCarthy/Pardew/whatever fat old bloke we would go for as a replacement. We are desperately in need of a win, NJ is on very thin ice now. Another relegation could destroy us. But, put a few wins together and things could turn around for him, I’d much rather that than sacking him and bringing in a dinosaur.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2019 18:05:07 GMT
Your posts get funnier by every growing one😄another one that Nathan has brainwashed Why? Having watched the games, I don't think performances have been as bad as results. Why does that mean I'm brainwashed? Because my opinion on the football in front of me is different to yours? QPR dreadful Charlton not a lot better Derby played well but defensively poor Preston woeful Leeds never in it after they scored Birmingham lost to a very poor side imo Bristol City started well but sending obviously changed the game Brentford went for a draw and nothing else Forest played really well until they scored then collapsed like a pack of cards As I’ve said fans are getting brainwashed by his constant insistence in interviews that we’ve played well when in reality we’ve had spells in games where we have but the majority of the time in my opinion it’s been poor. What’s even worse I don’t believe we’ve played many decent sides of yet
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Post by jwhpotter on Sept 28, 2019 18:09:33 GMT
That's what concerns me cobs, we have been so bad and level of football has been so awful that any period of improvement even if its 10 minutes in a game is being perceived by some as signs of improvement instead of the realisation that this is a bare minimum as it where we should he We really haven't been that bad. Performances have been about mid-table level for me. What about the defence?!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 18:10:11 GMT
Why? Having watched the games, I don't think performances have been as bad as results. Why does that mean I'm brainwashed? Because my opinion on the football in front of me is different to yours? QPR dreadful Charlton not a lot better Derby played well but defensively poor Preston woeful Leeds never in it after they scored Birmingham list to a very poor dude imo Bristol City started well but sending obviously changed the game Brentford went for a draw and nothing else Forest played really well until they scored then collapsed like a pack of cards As I’ve said fans are getting brainwashed by his constant insistence in interviews that we’ve played well when in reality we’ve had spells in games where we have but the majority of the time in my opinion it’s been poor. What’s even worse I don’t believe we’ve played many decent sides of yet QPR - poor Charlton - Dominated the game, should've won by 3 or 4. Derby - dominated the game, should've won by 3 or 4. Preston - drab, done in by 2 goalkeeping howlers, Leeds - they were the better side. Birmingham - drab, individual errors cost us again Bristol City - stoic and good performance with 10 men Brentford - defended very well and good value for draw, if a bit drab Forest - should've been 3 up at half time, good performance until their 3rd, gifted them 3 goals through individual errors. That gives me around 13 points we should be at from performances, in my opinion. Hence my view of mid-table based on performances. It isn't brainwashing if I watch the game and make my own decision on it.
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