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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 28, 2019 14:44:10 GMT
Un fucking believable
As someone commented last night, this board deserve league 1 football
Anywhere else and he'd have been gone weeks ago. Spineless
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2019 14:45:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 14:47:33 GMT
"There's a man in the directors box wearing glasses jumping and shouting 'There's only one Matt Smith' in a half cut welsh accent"
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 14:49:54 GMT
Yeah I've been keeping an eye on this, I originally tried to find a stream but to no avail ...
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Post by nott1 on Sept 28, 2019 14:53:11 GMT
You can just imagine him thinking "I think we'll bring the diamond back Tuesday against this lot, they'll never figure it out especially if I make 10 changes and keep Butland in goal..... and try McClean at Rightback, wow, I'm such a tactical genius".
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Sept 28, 2019 15:17:56 GMT
The Huddersfield game has always been the crunch match. If they beat us, we are adrift - then unless we make a change the writing is on the wall.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 15:21:24 GMT
You questioned whether he "still then be conceivably replaced though?". You want him gone. Fair enough. But for the time being he's still manager of SCFC, so stop speculating about whether he is or not if this or that happens. Get behind him and the team on Tuesday. I know you will. Which would mean that he isn't being used as caretaker wouldn't it? And who are you to tell me to not speculate about his future? Even you yourself have said in the last 24 hours that you think he's out of his depth and he can't turn it around. I did and went on saying no else can do it better, and that I hoped he was still our manager today. You're right, I have no right to tell you what to do, but it's a discussion forum and I have a right to suggest it would be better not to speculate, because it gets to be obsessive, and might do your head in. Maybe not for you, but there are others on here who seem to have lost the plot. As if they have a say in who's the manager, when the reality is that they don't, and no amount of Oatcake messages is going to change that.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 28, 2019 15:22:16 GMT
I can see the reasoning in this. I do think Jones' time is up, however, essentially 2 days before our closest 'rivals' in the league, why fuck it up more?
we played exceptionally well in the first half, I think the players will play the same again - i really do - and we may as well try and get 3 points rather than sink the ship entirely before a ball has even been kicked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 15:23:11 GMT
The Huddersfield game has always been the crunch match. If they beat us, we are adrift We already are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 15:26:34 GMT
we played exceptionally well in the first half Now, now. That we didn't. We did ok for 20, maybe 25 minutes.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 28, 2019 15:30:33 GMT
The worse thing is it's quite conceivable that we will get beat by Huddersfield, or they will take a point from us
A new manager would have given us a great chance of that illusive first win
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 28, 2019 15:35:42 GMT
The worse thing is it's quite conceivable that we will get beat by Huddersfield, or they will take a point from us A new manager would have given us a great chance of that illusive first win We're not really renowned for the new manager bounce to be fair.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 28, 2019 15:40:10 GMT
Just what’s the fucking point in any of this? He might as well stay in charge for the season now. What’s the point in appointing a manager when we could be about 10 points adrift by the time he arrives?
A new manager could have had these two home games to kick off with and try and get some sort of bounce. Instead, he’d have to come in with a tough game away at Swansea miles adrift at the bottom of the league. And, on top of that, who the fuck would want that gig? Why is someone like Moyes or Hughton going to look at that shit and think “I’ll have me some of that Stoke job”?
The time to act was weeks ago. Or at an absolute push after last Saturday. You see clubs making these decisions way, way before the point that we’ve left it. At some clubs he’d have been gone after four or five games given the fixtures we had and size of club we are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 15:41:30 GMT
Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking. It sounds to me like NJ is here to stay come what may.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 28, 2019 15:44:49 GMT
Split on this one. I want him to do well and can see where they are coming from, but for someone who is a jones fan, for me last night probably was the end. Disappointing, as I don’t want him to go, but I think he has to. My feelings exactly. I go a step further, as painful as it will be, I think we need to run every single last one of them off and start with a blank page. Someone on here said 6 years to rebuild and I am starting to agree with him/her. If we do it in 3 .... whoopee! But I've resigned myself to the long haul. Owners? I don't think we will get better owners, so we have to learn to live with the dithering, and hope that John Coates starts to learn himself and lives up to his initials!
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 28, 2019 15:45:58 GMT
The worse thing is it's quite conceivable that we will get beat by Huddersfield, or they will take a point from us A new manager would have given us a great chance of that illusive first win We're not really renowned for the new manager bounce to be fair. True mate but think we would have had a far better chance than with Jones Think Lambert won his first one against Hudds (not that that means anything)
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Post by tosspotter on Sept 28, 2019 15:47:35 GMT
Jones is a nice guy, that's obvious, but he came to us at a time when the whole establishment had gone tits up and he didn't have the experience to deal with it.
At the time he was appointed we needed a strict disciplinarian to get the club back on an even keel, Jones wasn't it.
In a few years I still think he will be a top manager, he just came to us at the wrong time and too early in his career. He doesn't have the necessary skills or experience to deal with the deep rooted troubles within the club.
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Post by apb1979 on Sept 28, 2019 15:57:32 GMT
6 points adrift from safety now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 15:58:04 GMT
Split on this one. I want him to do well and can see where they are coming from, but for someone who is a jones fan, for me last night probably was the end. Disappointing, as I don’t want him to go, but I think he has to. My feelings exactly. I go a step further, as painful as it will be, I think we need to run every single last one of them off and start with a blank page. Someone on here said 6 years to rebuild and I am starting to agree with him/her. If we do it in 3 .... whoopee! But I've resigned myself to the long haul. Owners? I don't think we will get better owners, so we have to learn to live with the dithering, and hope that John Coates starts to learn himself and lives up to his initials! Why should it take 3-6 years? We were relegated with West Brom and Swansea, both clubs have (like us) had two managers since that relegation and currently, West Brom are top and Swansea are second. Whilst we're rock bottom of the league, six points from safety, having spent a truck load more than either team.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 28, 2019 16:02:37 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game!
Tuesday is huge.
Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record.
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 28, 2019 16:03:21 GMT
we played exceptionally well in the first half Now, now. That we didn't. We did ok for 20, maybe 25 minutes. ok, well maybe not the full 45 however, we did look aggressive, pushing forward and took opportunities when they presented themselves. We played as a coherent attacking team that played their opposition off the park for that period. perhaps i'm so starved of 'football' that anything remotely positive can be over-emphasized!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 28, 2019 16:05:46 GMT
My feelings exactly. I go a step further, as painful as it will be, I think we need to run every single last one of them off and start with a blank page. Someone on here said 6 years to rebuild and I am starting to agree with him/her. If we do it in 3 .... whoopee! But I've resigned myself to the long haul. Owners? I don't think we will get better owners, so we have to learn to live with the dithering, and hope that John Coates starts to learn himself and lives up to his initials! Why should it take 3-6 years? We were relegated with West Brom and Swansea, both clubs have (like us) had two managers since that relegation and currently, Swansea are top and West Brom are second. Whilst we're rock bottom of the league having spent a truck load more than either team. Maybe because they bought sensibly while we went berserk buying absolute crap? Maybe the stench around the club is so bad that any new boy's spark and energy will ultimately be drowned in the apathy and carelessness of the other players? Maybe when you bring in a new manager worth their salt, they will want to rebuild and get rid of the wasters we currently have? Maybe if we get relegated we are no longer anywhere near a Prem club and good players will not want to play for us? Maybe when FFP hits and we are in the third tier we are going to have a hard time? Maybe, as you say, "we're rock bottom of the league having spent a truck load more than either team"? I don't know, I just have this strange feeling .....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 16:12:51 GMT
Why should it take 3-6 years? We were relegated with West Brom and Swansea, both clubs have (like us) had two managers since that relegation and currently, Swansea are top and West Brom are second. Whilst we're rock bottom of the league having spent a truck load more than either team. Maybe because they bought sensibly while we went berserk buying absolute crap? Maybe the stench around the club is so bad that any new boy's spark and energy will ultimately be drowned in the apathy and carelessness of the other players? Maybe when you bring in a new manager worth their salt, they will want to rebuild and get rid of the wasters we currently have? Maybe if we get relegated we are no longer anywhere near a Prem club and good players will not want to play for us? Maybe when FFP hits and we are in the third tier we are going to have a hard time? Maybe, as you say, "we're rock bottom of the league having spent a truck load more than either team"? I don't know, I just have this strange feeling ..... So where does the problam ultimately lie then?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2019 16:15:38 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. Record since NJ took over. Hudds 26 1 5 20 17 57 -40 8Stoke 29 3 13 13 24 41 -17 22Nice to be the form team for once!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 16:19:45 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. Oh just bloody wonderful. Roll up, roll up, the SCFC charity bus is on tour. Next stop, Bet365 stadium on effing Tuesday night!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 16:20:11 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. Record since NJ took over. Hudds 26 1 5 20 17 57 -40 8Stoke 29 3 13 13 24 41 -17 22Nice to be the form team for once! To be fair to Huddersfield, their opponents were much stronger than ours were, for the majority of those games.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 28, 2019 16:20:23 GMT
Now, now. That we didn't. We did ok for 20, maybe 25 minutes. ok, well maybe not the full 45 however, we did look aggressive, pushing forward and took opportunities when they presented themselves. We played as a coherent attacking team that played their opposition off the park for that period. perhaps i'm so starved of 'football' that anything remotely positive can be over-emphasized! To be fair, i thought that first half as well...then saw the second half and realised it was less to do with us playing well (we had about 12 shots in just the first half and only got about 2 on target) and far more to do with the fact that Notts Forest just hadn't turned up for the first 30mins or so.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 28, 2019 16:20:37 GMT
Maybe because they bought sensibly while we went berserk buying absolute crap? Maybe the stench around the club is so bad that any new boy's spark and energy will ultimately be drowned in the apathy and carelessness of the other players? Maybe when you bring in a new manager worth their salt, they will want to rebuild and get rid of the wasters we currently have? Maybe if we get relegated we are no longer anywhere near a Prem club and good players will not want to play for us? Maybe when FFP hits and we are in the third tier we are going to have a hard time? Maybe, as you say, "we're rock bottom of the league having spent a truck load more than either team"? I don't know, I just have this strange feeling ..... So where does the probably ultimately lie then? Take your pick ... Crap Manager, Crap Players, Crap CEO, Crap Decision Making by Owners, Crap Gypsy that put a curse on us, Crap Fans wanting consistent instant success (that's not the Stoke DNA, you know), Crapity crap crap. Personally I think it's a bit of all the above, and I think it's going to take more than another manager change to resolve - hence, 3-6 years.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 28, 2019 16:21:34 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. By the time we play them, we'll be just about a week shy of 6 months since we last won a league game as well though remember
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 28, 2019 16:24:16 GMT
It’s nearly been a year since Huddersfield won a game! Tuesday is huge. Edit - 1 game in a year. Still though, horrible record. Record since NJ took over. Hudds 26 1 5 20 17 57 -40 8Stoke 29 3 13 13 24 41 -17 22Nice to be the form team for once! Sadist!
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