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Post by lordb on Sept 28, 2019 13:32:20 GMT
I think Jones is now acting as a caretaker manager. Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? Yes would say so Depends on how far down the line they are speaking to Hughton.
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 28, 2019 13:33:08 GMT
I can't fathom the board thinking even a result on Tuesday could change things.
Regardless of if we win, Jones has not shown anywhere near enough to suggest he can turn this ship around. The game has now become a bigger game than it already was. The board HAVE to see that. We're the two worst teams in the league, it proves nothing really.
I can only hope it's as lordb suggested, he's effectively caretaker manager for the match, without the title. If they aren't underway with negotiations with someone then serious questions have to be asked. Should this be coupled with a loss on Tuesday then I envision the apathy disappearing and the sheer anger returning.
When I'd got tickets for Tuesday, I never envisioned it would be such a huge match. Might be the most nervy I've been since Brighton in 2018.
Come on Stoke, please get it right and get a replacement in regardless of Tuesday's result. You know what must be done.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 13:34:11 GMT
I think Jones is now acting as a caretaker manager. Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2019 13:36:33 GMT
I can't fathom the board thinking even a result on Tuesday could change things. Regardless of if we win, Jones has not shown anywhere near enough to suggest he can turn this ship around. The game has now become a bigger game than it already was. The board HAVE to see that. We're the two worst teams in the league, it proves nothing really. I can only hope it's as lordb suggested, he's effectively caretaker manager for the match, without the title. If they aren't underway with negotiations with someone then serious questions have to be asked. Should this be coupled with a loss on Tuesday then I envision the apathy disappearing and the sheer anger returning. When I'd got tickets for Tuesday, I never envisioned it would be such a huge match. Might be the most nervy I've been since Brighton in 2018. Come on Stoke, please get it right and get a replacement in regardless of Tuesday's result. You know what must be done. And all this with 3 away games out of the next 4 after Huddersfield with Fulham at home also.We need a new manager in place to work on a formation going forward if we’re to get out of this shit
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Post by pushon on Sept 28, 2019 13:38:17 GMT
The results are shit but we are not playing shit, our issues will still be here under a new manager. He has made less changes in the last 3 league games so the 1st team looks like it is starting to present itself. We are desperate for the return of Shawcross to sort out this defence, we can still get out of this mess. If we're not playing poorly, as you suggest, then how come we get beaten constantly? Stoke are at the butt end of the division and the butt end of the jokes.😢
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 13:39:59 GMT
Then attacking us down the left and doubling up on McClean because they know it’s a weakness... which the manager made of his accord. Bringing on another CB when Badou went off and we were already down rather than try and go for it. Ince offering nothing again but he was yet again selected. Playing with one striker at home. How big their attackers were and yet our two CBs are the worst with their heads and Batth is sat on the bench. I could go on. You’re talking about the most expensively assembled squad in the championship and a manager that bought in 11 players and you’re praising them for not being completely shambolic for part of a game. How do you explain us being worse since Jones arrived and choosing 11 players who weren’t any better than what we had? It’s baffling. Yes our lack of full back options is astounding I would agree I can't believe that after what he said his first two choices after Justin were 30+ non athletic but he wasn't going to say that. As for the substitution for the injured Badou would you have preferred our only defensive midfield option Cousins? Yes I know he was Jones signing but obviously not the player he thought he was getting. You make out those things aren’t of his own making. Most people knew Jordan Cousins wasn’t good enough so why didn’t Jones. Why does he try and play with attacking fullbacks when he doesn’t have them. Play with a flat back 4 if you have but don’t play systems you don’t have the players for. These are problems HE made and he is unable to solve. What was even the point of Cousins being on the bench. It’s just excuse after excuse. It was his job to get players that were better than we had. It was his job to find a system that works for them. It was his job to get results and yet it’s like nothing is his fault when it’s entirely of his own making.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2019 13:46:43 GMT
We need a new man to create some new optimism, why the f--- is Jones still at the club!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 13:49:53 GMT
Fairplay. Don't agree with it but at least it's clear communication at least.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2019 13:50:57 GMT
Then attacking us down the left and doubling up on McClean because they know it’s a weakness... which the manager made of his accord. Bringing on another CB when Badou went off and we were already down rather than try and go for it. Ince offering nothing again but he was yet again selected. Playing with one striker at home. How big their attackers were and yet our two CBs are the worst with their heads and Batth is sat on the bench. I could go on. You’re talking about the most expensively assembled squad in the championship and a manager that bought in 11 players and you’re praising them for not being completely shambolic for part of a game. How do you explain us being worse since Jones arrived and choosing 11 players who weren’t any better than what we had? It’s baffling. Yes our lack of full back options is astounding I would agree I can't believe that after what he said his first two choices after Justin were 30+ non athletic but he wasn't going to say that. As for the substitution for the injured Badou would you have preferred our only defensive midfield option Cousins? Yes I know he was Jones signing but obviously not the player he thought he was getting. Your remark about Cousins is laughable😄 Do you know the history of the player and who his youth coaches were🤔
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 28, 2019 13:51:04 GMT
The mistakes Edwards and McLean made yesterday had nothing to do with formation. They were in a situation they would have been in in a flat back four and did not do their defensive duty correctly. And yes I knoe McLean isn't a full back but he is a professional footballer who has made the same mistake of not closing down several times this season. Talk about not learning from your mistakes. They were not playing a diamond to start with yesterday and were playing a flat back four with Ince and Clucas out wide.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 28, 2019 13:51:37 GMT
The mistakes Edwards and McLean made yesterday had nothing to do with formation. They were in a situation they would have been in in a flat back four and did not do their defensive duty correctly. And yes I know McLean isn't a full back but he is a professional footballer who has made the same mistake of not closing down several times this season. Talk about not learning from your mistakes. They were not playing a diamond to start with yesterday and were playing a flat back four with Ince and Clucas out wide.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 14:00:08 GMT
Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking. Eh? I was demonstrating why it is unlikely that he is being used as a caretaker manager.
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Post by cymap on Sept 28, 2019 14:01:10 GMT
I see no point to be honest. If we get a win against the bottom side and could be a team that we go down with ...how would that justify keeping him? What next after that we lose another few and get a draw etc etc. Unfortunately he will take us down if the board don't act
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 28, 2019 14:01:58 GMT
An amazing, unbelievable, unfathomable, mind boggling decision if true.
It's clear now that only intense fan pressure will get Coates to change the manager. They might just get it Tuesday.
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Post by march4 on Sept 28, 2019 14:05:24 GMT
Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? Yes would say so Depends on how far down the line they are speaking to Hughton. They could still be talking to two or three parties. All depends on how advanced the talks are.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 28, 2019 14:06:55 GMT
I despair if this charlatan is still going to be in charge for another match. What a farce, the man is clueless!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 28, 2019 14:07:23 GMT
The people who run this football club are fucking idiots and that's that. Comments such as this are a disgrace You're right on reflection. The actuality is they actually consider us fucking idiots.
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Post by Trouserdog on Sept 28, 2019 14:07:58 GMT
I really don't get this stupid idea they have that having a dead man walking in charge is better than a caretaker.
What if (don't laugh) we thump Huddersfield on Tuesday? Suddenly it would seem harsh to sack NJ, yet even Stevie Wonder can see that he's not the man to take us forward and will only damage us more in the long term. Get rid today, NOW, this minute and stick any fucker in charge on Tuesday...they can't do any worse can they?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2019 14:11:05 GMT
He's busy scouting Huddersfield - looks to be with the new guy Chapple
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Post by skelman on Sept 28, 2019 14:12:00 GMT
I don't think any other owners, possibly in the world, would have made this call. Not sure whether it's very strong or incredibly weak. The only reasonable explanation is that they don’t want a repeat of the Hughes/QSF/Lambert debacle and want the new man ready and waiting to step straight in once the axe falls. Or am I giving them too much credit here and they really have lost the plot Absolutely right about the debacle following Hughes' sacking. However the die is cast re Jones now imo!He has to and will go. It'll probably be termed 'by mutual consent' and hopefully, be at latest timed with a new manager arriving going into the international break. It's not only Jones stats: * 3 wins from 29 games since arriving in January * 15 league games in all without a win stretching back to April * 2 points from 27 and a -11 goal difference this season * first Stoke side to go 10 home matches without a win He means well. But has a deluded belief in his own abilities. He's out of his depth and we're heading down out of this league if he stays. Jones is grasping at straws We cant defend Scoring goals is a problem Despite HIS 10 signings many of the players are mediocre and just not good enoughThere is a terrible lack of pace Jones has no answers anymore Jones doesn't know what he's doing - flawed game plans, incomprehensible substitutions, team changes all over the place, no consistency, where are the partnerships? Thats largely why the mistakes are happening! Supporters can't tell what the game plan is even from the team sheet and the players must be struggling too! Jones said "we pretty much get off to a good start every week. It's just if I was a pessimist I'd be sitting there thinking what is going to happen? - mistake, and then we’re on the back foot. Then another mistake"! "Listen I know the work we do on the training ground because I've been doing it as a coach, as a manager - I've being doing it for about 8 years now and we make people better ! So please Nathan, name just 1 player you've improved since your arrival! ABSOLUTELY NONE!Time up, time to go.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 28, 2019 14:13:40 GMT
He's busy scouting Huddersfield - looks to be with the new guy Chapple I really wish he stayed there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 14:13:59 GMT
The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking. Eh? I was demonstrating why it is unlikely that he is being used as a caretaker manager. You questioned whether he "still then be conceivably replaced though?". You want him gone. Fair enough. But for the time being he's still manager of SCFC, so stop speculating about whether he is or not if this or that happens. Get behind him and the team on Tuesday. I know you will.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 14:17:14 GMT
He means well. But has a deluded belief in his own abilities. The thing is, Peter and John Coates share that belief.
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Post by Pirate on Sept 28, 2019 14:27:10 GMT
So its left to the fans to be the bad guy Tuesday night & give a guy who most people agree has tried his best for the club dogs abuse so that the board are motivated to do the right thing & relieve him of his duty's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 14:27:27 GMT
A *huge* portion of our issues are mental in the players' minds. Win vs Huddersfield and there are enough signs in past performances that we have a chance of turning it round. Lose it and we sack him.
If we sack him now, no new manager will make a difference to the problems we have in 2 days. In fact, confidence will probably be worse off if we sack another manager.
I hope we finally get the results performances have justified, because I'd bloody love us to finally have some luck.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2019 14:28:01 GMT
Ouch. Huddersfield winning
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Post by supacoopa101 on Sept 28, 2019 14:28:03 GMT
I'm not in the least bit surprised
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 28, 2019 14:34:15 GMT
Wouldn't that mean that he could actually win on Tuesday but still then be conceivably replaced though? The owners' words, according to Spinks, are "The club's owners are adamant that Jones should be the man to lead Stoke". Does that sound as if they are about to replace him after Tuesday ? Accept their decision and stop projecting your (that's not just you but just about everybody in this and other threads) wishful thinking into their way of thinking. If that is their decision, surely the appropriate response is not to accept it.... but reject it with vocal aplomb until it changes? What hope is there of supporting a club where the owners are either intent on self harm, or place hubris above sense?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 28, 2019 14:36:55 GMT
Eh? I was demonstrating why it is unlikely that he is being used as a caretaker manager. You questioned whether he "still then be conceivably replaced though?". You want him gone. Fair enough. But for the time being he's still manager of SCFC, so stop speculating about whether he is or not if this or that happens. Get behind him and the team on Tuesday. I know you will. Which would mean that he isn't being used as caretaker wouldn't it? And who are you to tell me to not speculate about his future? Even you yourself have said in the last 24 hours that you think he's out of his depth and he can't turn it around.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 28, 2019 14:39:19 GMT
He's busy scouting Huddersfield - looks to be with the new guy Chapple Obviously looking to find some even worse players to sign in January!
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