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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 15:12:37 GMT
And 2 weeks vacation in the USA not the 5/6 weeks typical in Europe Totally separate issue but, Knicked this off wiki tbh There is no federal or state statutory minimum paid vacation or paid public holidays. Paid leave is at the discretion of the employers to its employees.[178][179] According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, 77% of private employers offer paid vacation to their employees; full-time employees earn on average 10 vacation days after one year of service.[180] Similarly, 77% of private employers give their employees paid time off during public holidays, on average 8 holidays per year.[180][181] Some employers offer no vacation at all.[182] The average number of paid vacation days offered by private employers is 10 days after 1 year of service, 14 days after 5 years, 17 days after 10 years, and 20 days after 20 years Scandalous. A I worked in the USA many years ago admittedly but I wouldn't hold them up as an example of best practice when it come to pay and conditions. What I did notice out there was people worked there hours , not a minute more
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:35:30 GMT
That's not how tax works. You're taxed on earnings over 150k at a higher rate. That doesn't effect your earnings under it. I’d prefer to pay 45% there would be no benefit to me earning £200k knowing that the government would take £35k out of the extra £50 There'd be £15k... Taxes are far lower now than they've been before. We've had top tax rates of 83%, and the US have had 90% before. Personally, I think 70% over 150k and 90% over 500k is about right.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 15:46:34 GMT
I’d prefer to pay 45% there would be no benefit to me earning £200k knowing that the government would take £35k out of the extra £50 There'd be £15k... Taxes are far lower now than they've been before. We've had top tax rates of 83%, and the US have had 90% before. Personally, I think 70% over 150k and 90% over 500k is about right. Why should I put in all that extra work if I’m good enough and qualified enough to earn that extra £4K a month if you want me to five up £3k Where is my incentive? I’d rather work less hard. That’s where that argument is flawed. The company paying me £200k a year would probably already be in a position paying lots of business taxes as well as employing lots more people. More people not on dole paying taxes themsrlves
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Post by Northy on Sept 23, 2019 15:46:43 GMT
Wouldn't a 32 hour week cancel out the £10 per hour minimum wage? Especially if their tax rate goes up? Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. Angela will tell you 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:52:39 GMT
There'd be £15k... Taxes are far lower now than they've been before. We've had top tax rates of 83%, and the US have had 90% before. Personally, I think 70% over 150k and 90% over 500k is about right. Why should I put in all that extra work if I’m good enough and qualified enough to earn that extra £4K a month if you want me to five up £3k Where is my incentive? I’d rather work less hard. That’s where that argument is flawed. The company paying me £200k a year would probably already be in a position paying lots of business taxes as well as employing lots more people. More people not on dole paying taxes themsrlves Well then you are not hard working enough to deserve the extra money. That's what capitalism is right? Work hard and you get what you deserve? And our business tax rates are pathetically low.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 15:53:35 GMT
Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. Angela will tell you 🤣 Fuck me steady.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 15:58:22 GMT
Why should I put in all that extra work if I’m good enough and qualified enough to earn that extra £4K a month if you want me to five up £3k Where is my incentive? I’d rather work less hard. That’s where that argument is flawed. The company paying me £200k a year would probably already be in a position paying lots of business taxes as well as employing lots more people. More people not on dole paying taxes themsrlves Well then you are not hard working enough to deserve the extra money. That's what capitalism is right? Work hard and you get what you deserve? And our business tax rates are pathetically low. No young lad Work hard reap rewards Not work hard but give most to the government What did a lot of our 90% tax payers do in the 70s. Fuck off abroad You have benefited from the privilege of your father and now telling us to live the other way. Not from a comp but from a privileged place of employment. You should run as a labour MP. Would fit right in
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Post by steve66 on Sept 23, 2019 15:59:23 GMT
Makes me think I will never vote again for any of them, always voted labour, them and the other mobs have made a mockery of a democratic vote to leave, this country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world because of them, could anyone imagine this charade in France if they voted to leave?
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 16:01:41 GMT
Where are Labour tax rates band wise ? I could do with knowing. Angela will tell you 🤣 Thick as fuck.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 16:04:35 GMT
So... Those that work will only be allowed to work half a week, and anyone who earns over 25k will have their salary reduced to 25k with it distributed to those that don't. If you are on zero hour contract, that will now be the same as a full time contract so you only work half a week as well. Plus, they will buy back all the national infrastructure, but as we all only work half a week they will have to offer jobs to half the EU so everything will run like it did before, and the trade unions having full powers restored means that we will all be on strike for the other half of the week!
Does this come before or after the "living wage" sees half of the job market replaced by machines?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 16:06:33 GMT
Makes me think I will never vote again for any of them, always voted labour, them and the other mobs have made a mockery of a democratic vote to leave, this country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world because of them, could anyone imagine this charade in France if they voted to leave? There would be nowt left of it. Mind you, I reckon Labour of old would be calling for a General Strike over this.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 16:07:26 GMT
So... Those that work will only be allowed to work half a week, and anyone who earns over 25k will have their salary reduced to 25k with it distributed to those that don't. If you are on zero hour contract, that will now be the same as a full time contract so you only work half a week as well. Plus, they will buy back all the national infrastructure, but as we all only work half a week they will have to offer jobs to half the EU so everything will run like it did before, and the trade unions having full powers restored means that we will all be on strike for the other half of the week! Does this come before or after the "living wage" sees half of the job market replaced by machines? To be fair the infrastructure will only be working for half the week so will need less hours running it
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Sept 23, 2019 16:09:11 GMT
So... Those that work will only be allowed to work half a week, and anyone who earns over 25k will have their salary reduced to 25k with it distributed to those that don't. If you are on zero hour contract, that will now be the same as a full time contract so you only work half a week as well. Plus, they will buy back all the national infrastructure, but as we all only work half a week they will have to offer jobs to half the EU so everything will run like it did before, and the trade unions having full powers restored means that we will all be on strike for the other half of the week! Does this come before or after the "living wage" sees half of the job market replaced by machines? To be fair the infrastructure will only be working for half the week so will need less hours running it Ah, I knew something in that didn't make sense!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 23, 2019 16:37:45 GMT
Makes me think I will never vote again for any of them, always voted labour, them and the other mobs have made a mockery of a democratic vote to leave, this country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world because of them, could anyone imagine this charade in France if they voted to leave? And how can you trust them to deliver on these promises, when they have reneged on the promise to honour the referendum result? Starmer and Thornberry are now not only for another referendum but wanting to stay in altogether, while supposedly offering a "good" Brexit option. How did Labour become a Remain Party, only 2 years after promising to leave? Fucking treacherous bastards. The Tories would have walked the last election if Labour had said, effectively, bollocks to Brexit, and it would have been done, now. I don't believe any of them. All they do is count votes(when it suits them).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 16:45:17 GMT
Well then you are not hard working enough to deserve the extra money. That's what capitalism is right? Work hard and you get what you deserve? And our business tax rates are pathetically low. No young lad Work hard reap rewards Not work hard but give most to the government What did a lot of our 90% tax payers do in the 70s. Fuck off abroad You have benefited from the privilege of your father and now telling us to live the other way. Not from a comp but from a privileged place of employment. You should run as a labour MP. Would fit right in Working hard doesn't mean you earn more. Nurses work harder than CEOs. Why does my position and privilege mean that I can't have the views I do? I will most likely vote labour next election, which looks like I'm voting myself out of a cushy job. I will do all I can in the meantime to make sure that my job has as big a 'widening participation' element as possible.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2019 16:50:53 GMT
Perceptions ( correct or incorrect) go a long way in politics ( rightly or wrongly)...the Labour party is seeming like a divided party, trying to play clever on BREXIT, but actually confusing and betraying the referendum and yet again a party that does not reward, rather penalises success. They may claim not to do so but they seem that way. In an election they will always get the vote of a lot of traditional Labour voters and that of those who never vote Tory..... but I don't think that they will persuade many in the middle ground.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 16:54:19 GMT
Perceptions ( correct or incorrect) go s long way in politics ( rightly or wrongly)...the Labour party id seeming like a divided party, trying to play clever on BREXIT, but actually confusing and betraying the referendum and yet again a party that does not reward rather penalises success. They may claim to not be do but they seem that way. In an election they will always get the vote of a lot of traditional Labour voters and that of those who never vote Tory..... but I don't think that they will persuade many in the middle ground. They won't get in, because too many people are either distracted by Brexit or angry at the wrong people. That's my view on it anyway. I'm not sure why people decry Labour's Brexit policy that much, they've recognised that the tory negotiations have been a shambles and said 'well this is shit, we'll try again and see if people still want it'. Where is the issue beyond being scared that leave wouldn't win again?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2019 16:58:09 GMT
Perceptions ( correct or incorrect) go s long way in politics ( rightly or wrongly)...the Labour party id seeming like a divided party, trying to play clever on BREXIT, but actually confusing and betraying the referendum and yet again a party that does not reward rather penalises success. They may claim to not be do but they seem that way. In an election they will always get the vote of a lot of traditional Labour voters and that of those who never vote Tory..... but I don't think that they will persuade many in the middle ground. They won't get in, because too many people are either distracted by Brexit or angry at the wrong people. That's my view on it anyway. I'm not sure why people decry Labour's Brexit policy that much, they've recognised that the tory negotiations have been a shambles and said 'well this is shit, we'll try again and see if people still want it'. Where is the issue beyond being scared that leave wouldn't win again? I think Brexiteers decry the policy because they voted in good faith to Leave the EU. They feel betrayed, ignored, patronised and dismissed with contempt as irrelevant. Not very nice and not good for democracy.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 23, 2019 16:59:10 GMT
Well getting back to the subject
Loon’s is the word for it Conference has made its decision on brexit Yes there out no there there in they will campaign for both riding two horses with one arse They will do a deal but don’t know if they will vote for it or reject it And are dumb or arrogant enough to believe people will fall for it
Simple you want to remain vote liberal If you want leave vote Tory
Labour a party run by incompetent envy riding imbeciles Becoming more of a irrelevance as the days pass by
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 17:02:48 GMT
No young lad Work hard reap rewards Not work hard but give most to the government What did a lot of our 90% tax payers do in the 70s. Fuck off abroad You have benefited from the privilege of your father and now telling us to live the other way. Not from a comp but from a privileged place of employment. You should run as a labour MP. Would fit right in Working hard doesn't mean you earn more. Nurses work harder than CEOs. Why does my position and privilege mean that I can't have the views I do? I will most likely vote labour next election, which looks like I'm voting myself out of a cushy job. I will do all I can in the meantime to make sure that my job has as big a 'widening participation' element as possible. It’s not widening. You have a very narrow view of the world.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:04:48 GMT
Working hard doesn't mean you earn more. Nurses work harder than CEOs. Why does my position and privilege mean that I can't have the views I do? I will most likely vote labour next election, which looks like I'm voting myself out of a cushy job. I will do all I can in the meantime to make sure that my job has as big a 'widening participation' element as possible. It’s not widening. You have a very narrow view of the world. Okay
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 23, 2019 17:07:33 GMT
No young lad Work hard reap rewards Not work hard but give most to the government What did a lot of our 90% tax payers do in the 70s. Fuck off abroad You have benefited from the privilege of your father and now telling us to live the other way. Not from a comp but from a privileged place of employment. You should run as a labour MP. Would fit right in Working hard doesn't mean you earn more. Nurses work harder than CEOs. Why does my position and privilege mean that I can't have the views I do? I will most likely vote labour next election, which looks like I'm voting myself out of a cushy job. I will do all I can in the meantime to make sure that my job has as big a 'widening participation' element as possible. Why do you think nurses work harder than CEOs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:13:05 GMT
Working hard doesn't mean you earn more. Nurses work harder than CEOs. Why does my position and privilege mean that I can't have the views I do? I will most likely vote labour next election, which looks like I'm voting myself out of a cushy job. I will do all I can in the meantime to make sure that my job has as big a 'widening participation' element as possible. Why do you think nurses work harder than CEOs Do you disagree? Nurses work gruelling shifts, both physically and mentally draining, seeing death, illness and suffering, and go home with £25k if they're lucky. Is a CEO's job harder work than that? In fact, the real question is; is a CEO's job 10, 20, even hundreds of times more hard work than a nurse's? because that's how the salary shows it.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 17:16:32 GMT
Why do you think nurses work harder than CEOs Do you disagree? Nurses work gruelling shifts, both physically and mentally draining, seeing death, illness and suffering, and go home with £25k if they're lucky. Is a CEO's job harder work than that? In fact, the real question is; is a CEO's job 10, 20, even hundreds of times more hard work than a nurse's? because that's how the salary shows it. However a CEO has huge responsibility. Responsible for hundreds of staff. Budgets. Direction etc etc. Most of them will be hard working decent people trying to help the whole business succeed. Working long hours and very conscientious people That responsibility can be hard work. Again narrow view of the world
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Post by yeokel on Sept 23, 2019 17:17:56 GMT
Not necessarily “thick as fuck” but it’s plain she doesn’t know the answers to the questions he’s raising. Politicians, however, are unable to say “I don’t know”, or “to be honest, I can’t remember” so choose to fill the void with waffle and noise.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 23, 2019 17:18:28 GMT
The Labour party are the party with a vision, now people will have more time to protest.
All i want is more money to NHS, huge funding for education with a plan to reduce police numbers over 20 years after the increase in numbers (i believe a good education system will reduce crime), and for people to earn their benefits through community work and working on farms (people spending loads of time out of work is good for nobody, especially for the person looking for work). I don't think that is too much to ask for is it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 17:21:29 GMT
Do you disagree? Nurses work gruelling shifts, both physically and mentally draining, seeing death, illness and suffering, and go home with £25k if they're lucky. Is a CEO's job harder work than that? In fact, the real question is; is a CEO's job 10, 20, even hundreds of times more hard work than a nurse's? because that's how the salary shows it. However a CEO has huge responsibility. Responsible for hundreds of staff. Budgets. Direction etc etc. Most of them will be hard working decent people trying to help the whole business succeed. Working long hours and very conscientious people That responsibility can be hard work. Again narrow view of the world It might well be hard work, it is not ten times harder than nurse. Hard work does not necessarily get you a better salary.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 23, 2019 17:27:41 GMT
A vastly pro-remain government who has spent the last 3 years screwing up Brexit negotiations has split into 3. The Tories have had to become the leave party, the Lib Dems have decided to go the opposite (this time) and have taken the 'bold' move to wave the finger at 17.4m voters. And Labour are sucking their finger and then holding it up in the air to see which way the wind is blowing. 650 self- serving wankers running the country.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 17:37:09 GMT
However a CEO has huge responsibility. Responsible for hundreds of staff. Budgets. Direction etc etc. Most of them will be hard working decent people trying to help the whole business succeed. Working long hours and very conscientious people That responsibility can be hard work. Again narrow view of the world It might well be hard work, it is not ten times harder than nurse. Hard work does not necessarily get you a better salary. no but responsibility does Top nurses earn a hell of a lot more money than nurses lower down the ladder. They probably spend a lot less time with patients but are part responsible for a lot of things from budgets to staff to training to policy. It’s bosses who’s heads roll when it goes wrong. Salary in the public sector is linked to income and value. So should a ceo earn more than a nurse is a different discussion. Should a ceo earn his value to the business absolutely
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Post by Timmypotter on Sept 23, 2019 17:45:30 GMT
But but but but I thought that labour members were all rabid remainers?
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