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Post by ravey123 on Sept 22, 2019 18:09:29 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers.
They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left.
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Post by felonious on Sept 22, 2019 18:26:07 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. They seem to be keeping Sheiky and Prestwich happy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 18:37:11 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. What is specifically bonkers about them?
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Post by salopstick on Sept 22, 2019 21:33:57 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. What is specifically bonkers about them? Their leader
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 22:02:11 GMT
What is specifically bonkers about them? Their leader Policy wise I mean of course.
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Post by Gods on Sept 22, 2019 22:03:49 GMT
Momentum has got them by the short and curlies.
It's a mistake to put party policy and the appointment of the leader mostly in the hands of the members. It should be more in the hands of the MP's whose job it is to face off to the voters who are not for the most part the members and far more pramgatic and less radical in their nature, that's the disconnect I believe.
If Labour chose a decent leader who could command the centre ground, this government would be toast.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 22, 2019 22:21:15 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. No more than the Tories have becoming a fringe party for the loony right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 0:01:24 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. They seem to be keeping Sheiky and Prestwich happy Abolishing private schools is nonsense at this particular time, although as always the likes of Finland have shown what the benefits can be long term. They 100% should lose their charitable status though. Their Brexit stance is a perfectly reasonable one if you fear a no deal exit from the EU. But ultimately if people like Thornberry and Watson keep portraying a completely mixed message they’ll be obliterated in a GE. That won’t affect me that much, I’ll just soldier on as normal. But it will affect millions of people who would benefit from a democratic socialist government which is the real shame of it all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 2:22:26 GMT
Categorically.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 23, 2019 7:29:54 GMT
Some of the ideas they are spouting re education, brexit etc are just pie in the sky dreamland and nothing short of bonkers. They have been taken over by a bunch of loons - I voted labour in all but the last 3 or 4 years but just cannot agree with the direction they are taking on so many issues. They are becomming/have become a fringe party for the loony left. What is specifically bonkers about them? The fact that everything will cost £ so they will have to massively increase tax revenue or borrowing. The most bonkers thing is they are still trying to thwart brexit they cannot agree on how. That is the one policy that will ensure they don’t get in anyway
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 23, 2019 7:47:08 GMT
Fighting the wrong battles at the wrong time.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 23, 2019 8:04:38 GMT
What is specifically bonkers about them? The fact that everything will cost £ so they will have to massively increase tax revenue or borrowing. The most bonkers thing is they are still trying to thwart brexit they cannot agree on how. That is the one policy that will ensure they don’t get in anyway They're not the only Party promising to spend loads of money though, are they? After slating Labour for years about 'magic money trees' the Conservative Party are doing exactly the same. Labours 'Brexit Policy' is of course a complete mess and so is internal party discipline. They have no chance of winning a General Election.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 23, 2019 8:06:29 GMT
I watched a bit of the conference yesterday. It was like a football crowd! The bit I watched was lots of people saying they had not received the information on the thing they were supposed to be voting on!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 8:24:41 GMT
Fighting the wrong battles at the wrong time. Agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 8:47:00 GMT
What is specifically bonkers about them? The fact that everything will cost £ so they will have to massively increase tax revenue or borrowing. The most bonkers thing is they are still trying to thwart brexit they cannot agree on how. That is the one policy that will ensure they don’t get in anyway Borrowing and tax on high earners yeah. All of their policies reap long-term economic benefits though, and are also moral improvements on society in my opinion.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 23, 2019 8:55:04 GMT
The fact that everything will cost £ so they will have to massively increase tax revenue or borrowing. The most bonkers thing is they are still trying to thwart brexit they cannot agree on how. That is the one policy that will ensure they don’t get in anyway Borrowing and tax on high earners yeah. All of their policies reap long-term economic benefits though, and are also moral improvements on society in my opinion. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-40117521So basically you want someone else to pay more, a true socialist. 364k people pay 45% tax rate about 4.7m pay the 40% rate thats not enough to carry 60 odd million people.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 23, 2019 9:02:29 GMT
They should just call themselves 'Momentum'.
They have completely betrayed their core vote.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 23, 2019 11:32:54 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 11:41:56 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts. You can dismiss an idea as nuts because it’s a change from the norm, or you can look at the studies showing that in many organisations where something similar has been implemented productivity has stayed the same or gone up, due to the health and well-being of the employees taking the same trajectory.......
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Sept 23, 2019 11:47:25 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts. You can dismiss an idea as nuts because it’s a change from the norm, or you can look at the studies showing that in many organisations where something similar has been implemented productivity has stayed the same or gone up, due to the health and well-being of the employees taking the same trajectory....... www.inc.com/tom-popomaronis/the-results-of-this-32-hour-work-week-experiment-could-be-a-major-breakthrough-in-employee-happiness.htmlI think there's issues with the wide-spread implementation of such a policy, but there's a massive disconnect surrounding the issue that hours spent at work is directly correlated to productivity. When a lot of evidence points to working smarter rather than longer being better for company and employee.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 11:49:06 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:01:36 GMT
You can dismiss an idea as nuts because it’s a change from the norm, or you can look at the studies showing that in many organisations where something similar has been implemented productivity has stayed the same or gone up, due to the health and well-being of the employees taking the same trajectory....... www.inc.com/tom-popomaronis/the-results-of-this-32-hour-work-week-experiment-could-be-a-major-breakthrough-in-employee-happiness.htmlI think there's issues with the wide-spread implementation of such a policy, but there's a massive disconnect surrounding the issue that hours spent at work is directly correlated to productivity. When a lot of evidence points to working smarter rather than longer being better for company and employee. To be fair shut this message board down and I’d be a couple of hours more productive each week.....
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 23, 2019 12:07:18 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts. Why? Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land.
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Post by redstriper on Sept 23, 2019 12:29:42 GMT
32 hour week.....they are indeed nuts. You can dismiss an idea as nuts because it’s a change from the norm, or you can look at the studies showing that in many organisations where something similar has been implemented productivity has stayed the same or gone up, due to the health and well-being of the employees taking the same trajectory....... Why stop there then ?, how about 5 hours a week ?... there's a vote winner... they can get voted in by the greedy and lazy, and they can watch the country and subsequently everyone's standard of living disappear down the toilet.
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 23, 2019 12:35:01 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:37:47 GMT
Borrowing and tax on high earners yeah. All of their policies reap long-term economic benefits though, and are also moral improvements on society in my opinion. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-40117521So basically you want someone else to pay more, a true socialist. 364k people pay 45% tax rate about 4.7m pay the 40% rate thats not enough to carry 60 odd million people. Yep. I'm willing to pay more too if it means better infrastructure. I'd certainly rather pay higher taxes than pay more to private companies. Earnings over £150kpa should be taxed at 70% in my view.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 12:40:10 GMT
Who is going to pay for it? Straight away it’s 8 hours or so lost per week(for those who still work 40 hrs). Can a factory employing say 200 people, let’s say on 10 pound an hour not pass on the £16,000 it’s going to cost them to make up the deficit?The cost gets passed to the customer. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours...right you are, off they toddle home? These are all costs that will manifest themselves in increased prices for products and reduced levels of public service. I’d love to be able to do forty hours a week as it is but work longer, to suggest it will all be nice and no issues by dropping to 32 hours is fantasy land. What happens when a nurse or police officer hits 32 hours?...You employ more people less unemployment. Its been proven less hours does not mean less production.Germany and other EU countries work less hours than us but their production per head is much higher than ours.Its the everyday long routine which slows and grinds us down almost to a halt. This sort of defeatist attitude is the whole problem.The point is people are more productive when they work less hours and they produce more. It has been proven several times that shorter working weeks do not slow production. They increase mental health levels and improve efficiency. But still people will for some reason argue against it.
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 23, 2019 12:49:04 GMT
Momentum has got them by the short and curlies. It's a mistake to put party policy and the appointment of the leader mostly in the hands of the members. It should be more in the hands of the MP's whose job it is to face off to the voters who are not for the most part the members and far more pramgatic and less radical in their nature, that's the disconnect I believe. If Labour chose a decent leader who could command the centre ground, this government would be toast. A decent Remainer like Hillary Benn ?
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Post by shangamuzo on Sept 23, 2019 12:53:22 GMT
Godless, you are as biased as it gets and have said so for example by naming yourself as the "biggest Remainer on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 13:07:18 GMT
You can dismiss an idea as nuts because it’s a change from the norm, or you can look at the studies showing that in many organisations where something similar has been implemented productivity has stayed the same or gone up, due to the health and well-being of the employees taking the same trajectory....... Why stop there then ?, how about 5 hours a week ?... there's a vote winner... they can get voted in by the greedy and lazy, and they can watch the country and subsequently everyone's standard of living disappear down the toilet. We are one of the longest working, least productive workforce’s in Europe. Have a rant by all means, but look at the facts first. I’ve seen it first hand in my organisation, almost overnight sickness/absence rates plummeted......
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