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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 22:39:46 GMT
Corbyn has said tonight that she died after waiting 8 hours in a and e. It's quite obvious she didn't.,judging by the short film she made bigging up the Labour Party. Like I said, my mother who went in hospital on Friday and was dead on monday(she was told on Saturday that she was about to die) didn't give two fucks about politics or people to blame. She was to scared of what was to come. How dare that cunt corbyn use death to gain fucking votes. She sent the video to Corbyn to highlight the issue. I'm not disputing that. It's the fact corbyn said she died after an 8 hour wait. It's quite clear she didn't. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2019 22:40:05 GMT
I thought it a pretty low trick from Corbyn. It's the sort of thing you see on Facebook, where staunch Labour voters claim only they care about the NHS and the sick.
That was also a complete waste of an hour. Pitiful, and representative of the level of political debate, lately.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 19, 2019 22:43:25 GMT
Bang on, and I repeat again the distinction here is that she was in A and E not Oncology care because she had an urgent fluid build up that you can’t schedule an appointment for. Thus she was subject to the wait times of A and E and tragically passed before she received adequate treatment. don't most patients go to a and e before being assesed and taken to the appropriate ward/unit?? Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2019 22:45:09 GMT
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 22:46:22 GMT
He said it on the debate tonight |
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Post by serpico on Nov 19, 2019 22:46:29 GMT
Sturgeon: No deal done with Labour so yet another Johnson lie !! Bullshit, its pretty much the only way labour can get into power, i'd be shocked if there wasn't an agreement in place. There was a tell by Corbyn tonight when he said "there will be no 2nd scottish refererendum EARLY IN A LABOUR GOVERNMENT" ... he slipped in "early in a labour government" very sly but rewatch the debate, he definitely said it, so he's not actually ruling out a 2nd scottish referendum which, imo, means he probably does have a potential deal with the SNP lined up and it involves allowing a 2nd ScotRef. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2019 22:47:28 GMT
He said it on the debate tonight He didn't say immediately after, unless my ears deceived me? |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 22:49:57 GMT
don't most patients go to a and e before being assesed and taken to the appropriate ward/unit?? Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. The NHS is not understaffed. It's the increase of population in this country. Google what the most popular new born babies are called these days. It'll tell you all you need to know fella. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 22:50:24 GMT
He said it on the debate tonight He didn't say immediately after, unless my ears deceived me? He said after an 8 hour wait. |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 19, 2019 22:50:42 GMT
One thing is for sure. If this Conservative clan get into power this election our NHS will be systematically dismantled and privatised with big chunks under American ownership. Think about it folks. Yep, thought about it and concluded you are full of shit! I hope this helps. Thanks algor. Love to have a chat on this subject in twelve months time. 👍 |
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Post by algor on Nov 19, 2019 22:51:53 GMT
don't most patients go to a and e before being assesed and taken to the appropriate ward/unit?? Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. So after 5 days and 12 hours thankfully you are still with us and clearly very active! So did the system work and 2 months after you are thriving or did you not really need to go to A&E in the end? |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 19, 2019 22:53:02 GMT
More lies and deception tonight from the tories "The Conservative Party has been sharply criticised by a UK fact-checking agency after it rebranded one of its Twitter accounts. The @cchqpress account - the Tory press office - was rebranded as “factcheckUK" on Tuesday. The change happened during a live TV debate involving PM Boris Johnson and Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn. Twitter is yet to comment on the change, but told the BBC it was looking into it. Fact-checking agency FullFact said in a statement: "It is inappropriate and misleading for the Conservative press office to rename their twitter account 'factcheckUK' during this debate."" Lies you say ? |
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Post by M on Nov 19, 2019 22:54:04 GMT
Maybe for balance I pass on a message from my Mrs who may have helped him as she works in Nuclear Medicine. There's both individual positive and negative outcomes and more negative ones than there needs to be. She and many others do an awful lot of work they're not paid to do because there isn't the staff. There isn't even the overtime available. She isn't in a position where she can just walk out as people can die and there would naturally be less positive outcomes. I'm really happy your Dad had a positive outcome, but it is far from sun and roses in that area of the NHS. I am sorry for this poor lady who has died at such a young age and it must be a horrifying time for her family. I do want to ask though as you suggest your good lady wife works in the NHS, does she recognise the picture being painted? Does she think her work place is like Beirut, are the corridors covered in blood with people lying dying? I am not trying to make a political point, it's just that whatever problems the NHS has that isn't the scene I have witnessed when I have been into hospitals. I don't spend everyday there though so an honest answer would be appreciated. She's worked there for 15 years and has always been immensely proud. She actually worked in mental health before and transferred because it was something she was passionate about. There's very few positive outcomes for people she meets by and large. Yes more and more are surviving the big C but more don't than do. Its a fucker of a disease. She can live with it, she gets on with it. She tries to comfort people the best she can and she tries to hold her shit together when shes upset that she is treating a terminal 9 year old when life just isn't fair. She could earn a fuck load more going to work somewhere in a call centre, or office work as she's got daft transferrable skills and sacking off her years of work. She could then walk out of work on time every day. She can refuse to be sent home early because of a mix up in deliveries of stuff they need (I say stuff, I don't know the technical terms to be fair) and have to make her time up on her days off like is expected of her. She accepted that her first pay rise after 6 years actually triggered a new pension bracket so that the meagre £16 a month increase saw her actually over £100 less in take home, which is great for pension but shit for disposable incomes. This before functioning in a room with no windows or daylight where she is exposed to radiation all day. She does all of that because she cares. She's not on her own. It's a passion for so many. She hates what the NHS has become. She's seen first hand just how bad it is getting and it is largely staff level based. There is a chronic shortage of staff largely because of political decisions like the Tories scrapping bursaries and seeing tuition fees climb. I mean how many people are going to get in debt to basically work full time for free whilst studying and having to get another evening job so you can afford to get by? That's basically the offer nowadays. Ever any wonder we're short but the Tories don't give a toss. It breaks her heart and if it doesn't change in the near future they will be another short in her, she's pretty much had enough, she's tired of coming home upset about being knackered and feeling emotionally blackmailed to do more for nothing. She's not even technically employed by the NHS anymore as she's in one of the many departments that have been outsourced to the private space. The NHS is on its death bed. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2019 22:57:40 GMT
Farage getting the treatment on the Beeb now. I wonder if Corbyn will? I doubt it very much.
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Post by algor on Nov 19, 2019 22:57:54 GMT
Yep, thought about it and concluded you are full of shit! I hope this helps. Thanks algor. Love to have a chat on this subject in twelve months time. 👍 Why not, happy to chat  |
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 19, 2019 22:58:53 GMT
I am sorry for this poor lady who has died at such a young age and it must be a horrifying time for her family. I do want to ask though as you suggest your good lady wife works in the NHS, does she recognise the picture being painted? Does she think her work place is like Beirut, are the corridors covered in blood with people lying dying? I am not trying to make a political point, it's just that whatever problems the NHS has that isn't the scene I have witnessed when I have been into hospitals. I don't spend everyday there though so an honest answer would be appreciated. She's worked there for 15 years and has always been immensely proud. She actually worked in mental health before and transferred because it was something she was passionate about. There's very few positive outcomes for people she meets by and large. Yes more and more are surviving the big C but more don't than do. Its a fucker of a disease. She can live with it, she gets on with it. She tries to comfort people the best she can and she tries to hold her shit together when shes upset that she is treating a terminal 9 year old when life just isn't fair. She could earn a fuck load more going to work somewhere in a call centre, or office work as she's got daft transferrable skills and sacking off her years of work. She could then walk out of work on time every day. She can refuse to be sent home early because of a mix up in deliveries of stuff they need (I say stuff, I don't know the technical terms to be fair) and have to make her time up on her days off like is expected of her. She accepted that her first pay rise after 6 years actually triggered a new pension bracket so that the meagre £16 a month increase saw her actually over £100 less in take home, which is great for pension but shit for disposable incomes. This before functioning in a room with no windows or daylight where she is exposed to radiation all day. She does all of that because she cares. She's not on her own. It's a passion for so many. She hates what the NHS has become. She's seen first hand just how bad it is getting and it is largely staff level based. There is a chronic shortage of staff largely because of political decisions like the Tories scrapping bursaries and seeing tuition fees climb. I mean how many people are going to get in debt to basically work full time for free whilst studying and having to get another evening job so you can afford to get by? That's basically the offer nowadays. Ever any wonder we're short but the Tories don't give a toss. It breaks her heart and if it doesn't change in the near future they will be another short in her, she's pretty much had enough, she's tired of coming home upset about being knackered and feeling emotionally blackmailed to do more for nothing. She's not even technically employed by the NHS anymore as she's in one of the many departments that have been outsourced to the private space. The NHS is on its death bed. And the Conservative party will put it in a coffin. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 23:00:06 GMT
He didn't say immediately after, unless my ears deceived me? He said after an 8 hour wait. Would she have lived longer if she was seen in 20 minutes?? No, not at all she was dying and regardless of waiting time she knows and the staff treating her know it wasnt going to make her live longer. For all you and I know there could have been a serious accident that day where all appropriate staff were needed to possibly save 2,3 or maybe 4 lives. Be honest, would you like a dying woman(she was terminal) to take doctors and nurses away from your son or daughter who've been in a serious accident?? |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 23:01:30 GMT
Yep I went a couple of months ago waited 6 hrs told to come back to clinic 3 days later told by clinic to come back if got worse admitted 2 days later after 6 hr wait again spent time on ward where at night only 3 staff to 60 patients. all this because of understaffing and a system falling to bits under this government. So after 5 days and 12 hours thankfully you are still with us and clearly very active! So did the system work and 2 months after you are thriving or did you not really need to go to A&E in the end? Blinkered some are mate |
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Post by claytonscrubs on Nov 19, 2019 23:05:18 GMT
Would love to see Abacus and Javid go head to head. Did somebody mention Abacus?  Frightening stuff!!...That ‘rather splendid afro’ has got a lot to answer for  |
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Post by algor on Nov 19, 2019 23:06:19 GMT
I am sorry for this poor lady who has died at such a young age and it must be a horrifying time for her family. I do want to ask though as you suggest your good lady wife works in the NHS, does she recognise the picture being painted? Does she think her work place is like Beirut, are the corridors covered in blood with people lying dying? I am not trying to make a political point, it's just that whatever problems the NHS has that isn't the scene I have witnessed when I have been into hospitals. I don't spend everyday there though so an honest answer would be appreciated. She's worked there for 15 years and has always been immensely proud. She actually worked in mental health before and transferred because it was something she was passionate about. There's very few positive outcomes for people she meets by and large. Yes more and more are surviving the big C but more don't than do. Its a fucker of a disease. She can live with it, she gets on with it. She tries to comfort people the best she can and she tries to hold her shit together when shes upset that she is treating a terminal 9 year old when life just isn't fair. She could earn a fuck load more going to work somewhere in a call centre, or office work as she's got daft transferrable skills and sacking off her years of work. She could then walk out of work on time every day. She can refuse to be sent home early because of a mix up in deliveries of stuff they need (I say stuff, I don't know the technical terms to be fair) and have to make her time up on her days off like is expected of her. She accepted that her first pay rise after 6 years actually triggered a new pension bracket so that the meagre £16 a month increase saw her actually over £100 less in take home, which is great for pension but shit for disposable incomes. This before functioning in a room with no windows or daylight where she is exposed to radiation all day. She does all of that because she cares. She's not on her own. It's a passion for so many. She hates what the NHS has become. She's seen first hand just how bad it is getting and it is largely staff level based. There is a chronic shortage of staff largely because of political decisions like the Tories scrapping bursaries and seeing tuition fees climb. I mean how many people are going to get in debt to basically work full time for free whilst studying and having to get another evening job so you can afford to get by? That's basically the offer nowadays. Ever any wonder we're short but the Tories don't give a toss. It breaks her heart and if it doesn't change in the near future they will be another short in her, she's pretty much had enough, she's tired of coming home upset about being knackered and feeling emotionally blackmailed to do more for nothing. She's not even technically employed by the NHS anymore as she's in one of the many departments that have been outsourced to the private space. The NHS is on its death bed. Thanks for your reply m. Clearly things do need to change and your Mrs is a huge attribute to her vocation. Without people like her the world would truly be a poorer place. I am interested to know though does she consider her work place to be like Beirut and are the corridors covered in Blood with people lying dying? |
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Post by serpico on Nov 19, 2019 23:10:02 GMT
Farage putting on a clinic on the bbc.
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Post by M on Nov 19, 2019 23:11:00 GMT
She's worked there for 15 years and has always been immensely proud. She actually worked in mental health before and transferred because it was something she was passionate about. There's very few positive outcomes for people she meets by and large. Yes more and more are surviving the big C but more don't than do. Its a fucker of a disease. She can live with it, she gets on with it. She tries to comfort people the best she can and she tries to hold her shit together when shes upset that she is treating a terminal 9 year old when life just isn't fair. She could earn a fuck load more going to work somewhere in a call centre, or office work as she's got daft transferrable skills and sacking off her years of work. She could then walk out of work on time every day. She can refuse to be sent home early because of a mix up in deliveries of stuff they need (I say stuff, I don't know the technical terms to be fair) and have to make her time up on her days off like is expected of her. She accepted that her first pay rise after 6 years actually triggered a new pension bracket so that the meagre £16 a month increase saw her actually over £100 less in take home, which is great for pension but shit for disposable incomes. This before functioning in a room with no windows or daylight where she is exposed to radiation all day. She does all of that because she cares. She's not on her own. It's a passion for so many. She hates what the NHS has become. She's seen first hand just how bad it is getting and it is largely staff level based. There is a chronic shortage of staff largely because of political decisions like the Tories scrapping bursaries and seeing tuition fees climb. I mean how many people are going to get in debt to basically work full time for free whilst studying and having to get another evening job so you can afford to get by? That's basically the offer nowadays. Ever any wonder we're short but the Tories don't give a toss. It breaks her heart and if it doesn't change in the near future they will be another short in her, she's pretty much had enough, she's tired of coming home upset about being knackered and feeling emotionally blackmailed to do more for nothing. She's not even technically employed by the NHS anymore as she's in one of the many departments that have been outsourced to the private space. The NHS is on its death bed. And the Conservative party will put it in a coffin. Not before they get their own pound of flesh. Brexit was all a con and a distraction. If the Brexit shambles wasn't at the forefront of fucking everything all barrels would have been pointed at what is happening to our NHS. All the stupid fuckery that is happening with it now is letting these bastards get away with it. |
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Post by M on Nov 19, 2019 23:12:59 GMT
She's worked there for 15 years and has always been immensely proud. She actually worked in mental health before and transferred because it was something she was passionate about. There's very few positive outcomes for people she meets by and large. Yes more and more are surviving the big C but more don't than do. Its a fucker of a disease. She can live with it, she gets on with it. She tries to comfort people the best she can and she tries to hold her shit together when shes upset that she is treating a terminal 9 year old when life just isn't fair. She could earn a fuck load more going to work somewhere in a call centre, or office work as she's got daft transferrable skills and sacking off her years of work. She could then walk out of work on time every day. She can refuse to be sent home early because of a mix up in deliveries of stuff they need (I say stuff, I don't know the technical terms to be fair) and have to make her time up on her days off like is expected of her. She accepted that her first pay rise after 6 years actually triggered a new pension bracket so that the meagre £16 a month increase saw her actually over £100 less in take home, which is great for pension but shit for disposable incomes. This before functioning in a room with no windows or daylight where she is exposed to radiation all day. She does all of that because she cares. She's not on her own. It's a passion for so many. She hates what the NHS has become. She's seen first hand just how bad it is getting and it is largely staff level based. There is a chronic shortage of staff largely because of political decisions like the Tories scrapping bursaries and seeing tuition fees climb. I mean how many people are going to get in debt to basically work full time for free whilst studying and having to get another evening job so you can afford to get by? That's basically the offer nowadays. Ever any wonder we're short but the Tories don't give a toss. It breaks her heart and if it doesn't change in the near future they will be another short in her, she's pretty much had enough, she's tired of coming home upset about being knackered and feeling emotionally blackmailed to do more for nothing. She's not even technically employed by the NHS anymore as she's in one of the many departments that have been outsourced to the private space. The NHS is on its death bed. Thanks for your reply m. Clearly things do need to change and your Mrs is a huge attribute to her vocation. Without people like her the world would truly be a poorer place. I am interested to know though does she consider her work place to be like Beirut and are the corridors covered in Blood with people lying dying? I'm not going to dignify that with a response |
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Post by algor on Nov 19, 2019 23:20:08 GMT
Thanks for your reply m. Clearly things do need to change and your Mrs is a huge attribute to her vocation. Without people like her the world would truly be a poorer place. I am interested to know though does she consider her work place to be like Beirut and are the corridors covered in Blood with people lying dying? I'm not going to dignify that with a response I am not surprised as an honest answer wouldn't suit your agenda. I find it very sad that people weaponize the NHS, it is piss poor politics and stops a real debate on how to improve it. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2019 23:20:22 GMT
He said after an 8 hour wait. Would she have lived longer if she was seen in 20 minutes?? No, not at all she was dying and regardless of waiting time she knows and the staff treating her know it wasnt going to make her live longer. For all you and I know there could have been a serious accident that day where all appropriate staff were needed to possibly save 2,3 or maybe 4 lives. Be honest, would you like a dying woman(she was terminal) to take doctors and nurses away from your son or daughter who've been in a serious accident?? Good God! How on earth can you make it so binary, if your dying relative was left in a corridor then a side room for 8 hours, completely deprived of any treatment and left in agonising pain, I'm not sure you'd take this odd flexible view you are taking. The fact is that a dying woman in need of essential treatment wasn't even processed into the system and was left to rot. That is unjustifiable in any circumstance. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 19, 2019 23:37:08 GMT
Would she have lived longer if she was seen in 20 minutes?? No, not at all she was dying and regardless of waiting time she knows and the staff treating her know it wasnt going to make her live longer. For all you and I know there could have been a serious accident that day where all appropriate staff were needed to possibly save 2,3 or maybe 4 lives. Be honest, would you like a dying woman(she was terminal) to take doctors and nurses away from your son or daughter who've been in a serious accident?? Good God! How on earth can you make it so binary, if your dying relative was left in a corridor then a side room for 8 hours, completely deprived of any treatment and left in agonising pain, I'm not sure you'd take this odd flexible view you are taking. The fact is that a dying woman in need of essential treatment wasn't even processed into the system and was left to rot. That is unjustifiable in any circumstance. And would happen under any party. It probably has already loads of times. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 23:43:09 GMT
Would she have lived longer if she was seen in 20 minutes?? No, not at all she was dying and regardless of waiting time she knows and the staff treating her know it wasnt going to make her live longer. For all you and I know there could have been a serious accident that day where all appropriate staff were needed to possibly save 2,3 or maybe 4 lives. Be honest, would you like a dying woman(she was terminal) to take doctors and nurses away from your son or daughter who've been in a serious accident?? Good God! How on earth can you make it so binary, if your dying relative was left in a corridor then a side room for 8 hours, completely deprived of any treatment and left in agonising pain, I'm not sure you'd take this odd flexible view you are taking. The fact is that a dying woman in need of essential treatment wasn't even processed into the system and was left to rot. That is unjustifiable in any circumstance. What essential treatment do you give a dying woman??? She's gone past having Amy treatment that could possibly keep her alive. Pain relief? That's about it, it certainly was for my mother. Then again she was well enough to moan on camera about it. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2019 23:44:23 GMT
Good God! How on earth can you make it so binary, if your dying relative was left in a corridor then a side room for 8 hours, completely deprived of any treatment and left in agonising pain, I'm not sure you'd take this odd flexible view you are taking. The fact is that a dying woman in need of essential treatment wasn't even processed into the system and was left to rot. That is unjustifiable in any circumstance. What essential treatment do you give a dying woman??? She's gone past having Amy treatment that could possibly keep her alive. Pain relief? That's about it, it certainly was for my mother. Jesus. I'll bow out I think. |
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Post by foster on Nov 19, 2019 23:44:45 GMT
Good God! How on earth can you make it so binary, if your dying relative was left in a corridor then a side room for 8 hours, completely deprived of any treatment and left in agonising pain, I'm not sure you'd take this odd flexible view you are taking. The fact is that a dying woman in need of essential treatment wasn't even processed into the system and was left to rot. That is unjustifiable in any circumstance. What essential treatment do you give a dying woman??? She's gone past having Amy treatment that could possibly keep her alive. Pain relief? That's about it, it certainly was for my mother. And by your logic they shouldn't have bothered. After all, the resources could have been used more wisely elsewhere. |
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Post by eyeonebob on Nov 19, 2019 23:45:42 GMT
What essential treatment do you give a dying woman??? She's gone past having Amy treatment that could possibly keep her alive. Pain relief? That's about it, it certainly was for my mother. Jesus. I'll bow out I think. Seriously please tell me of this essential treatment. And what is essential about it that would make a difference? |
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