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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 17:09:21 GMT
I assume 'the left' is being used as a temporary term for 'people we disagree with' until a new Labour leader is appointed, then we stick -ism on the end of his/her name and start using that? The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis  Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 17:09:31 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 17:10:02 GMT
I assume 'the left' is being used as a temporary term for 'people we disagree with' until a new Labour leader is appointed, then we stick -ism on the end of his/her name and start using that? Like 'racist' or 'Nazi' you mean? Surely that's more offensive than calling someone from the left....er, left? I guess we've got to wait for the appointment of a new leader to whip out the 'Communist' card. |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 17:12:13 GMT
The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? Stupid is as stupid does |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 17:23:22 GMT
The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? Communists do not respect votes. Communists do their protestations The day after they lose |
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 14, 2019 17:27:36 GMT
The facists and nazis* in this country also respect votes. They leave their protestation until the next ballot Facists and nazis in the uk believe in democracy *the right Having a little internal rant there Sal... £@#&!n cheer up, you won! |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 17:44:20 GMT
The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? Marxist !!!!! |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 17:46:04 GMT
I hope to god this dunna happen |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 17:53:25 GMT
The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? I've heard Conservatives described as murderers, Brexit Party MPs labelled as Nazis...far worse terms than 'Communist'. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 17:56:59 GMT
The absolute state of them. More emojis between them than bars of soap. On the flip side, if kd lang tours again, it'll be a sell out. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 14, 2019 17:59:38 GMT
The left is the left A little less condescending than the right are Facists and Nazis  Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? What's wrong with being called a Communist?! |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 18:01:31 GMT
Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? What's wrong with being called a Communist?! The same thing that's wrong with being a 'Drunken'. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 18:02:50 GMT
What's wrong with being called a Communist?! The same thing that's wrong with being a 'Drunken'. Not the best comeback. D-, must try harder |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 14, 2019 18:04:03 GMT
Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? What's wrong with being called a Communist?! Nothing if you are sober, otherwise they are dangerous |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 18:05:17 GMT
Yeah, because absolutely no-one called Labour a bunch of Communists during the election did they? I've heard Conservatives described as murderers, Brexit Party MPs labelled as Nazis...far worse terms than 'Communist'. I've heard Labour politicians called terorist sympathisers and friends of ISIS. Can we agree that both sides have flung a lot of shit about that is a bit over-the-top? |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 18:07:21 GMT
What's wrong with being called a Communist?! Nothing if you are sober, otherwise they are dangerous This is the answer I should've gave! |
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2019 18:08:02 GMT
I've heard Conservatives described as murderers, Brexit Party MPs labelled as Nazis...far worse terms than 'Communist'. I've heard Labour politicians called terorist sympathisers and friends of ISIS. There is quite a lot of truth in that though |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 18:09:17 GMT
I've heard Labour politicians called terorist sympathisers and friends of ISIS. There is quite a lot of truth in that though Yeah, there's always truth when you're on the same side as the person throwing the insults. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 14, 2019 18:14:37 GMT
The absolute state of them. More emojis between them than bars of soap. On the flip side, if kd lang tours again, it'll be a sell out. At least the anti democrats are now admitting, of a sort, that they were trying to reverse a democratic decision of the country...and have finally come to accept it.... shame that they have wasted 3 years for the country. O'flynn has always been quite reasonable in my opinion. This new phenomenon of not accepting results following democratic process is beginning to look completely stupid, so perhaps there is hope. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 18:24:13 GMT
The absolute state of them. More emojis between them than bars of soap. On the flip side, if kd lang tours again, it'll be a sell out. At least the anti democrats are now admitting, of a sort, that they were trying to reverse a democratic decision of the country...and have finally come to accept it O'flynn has always been quite reasonable in my opinion. This new phenomenon of not accepting results following democratic process is beginning to look completely stupid, so perhaps there is hope. I'll save them a lot of time and money the remaining tossers are to blame end of story. |
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Post by serpico on Dec 14, 2019 18:54:08 GMT
'I hope Boris dies a horrible death..... Oh.... and I want to be a Doctor' daddy issues. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 19:07:10 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 19:22:58 GMT
How many people are on these protests? I'm assuming it's tiny given that no media outlets have picked up on it.
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Post by serpico on Dec 14, 2019 19:25:19 GMT
Ive said it before, the supposed tolerant left are anything but, they're nasty, bitter and their whole "i want to save the planet and help people" shtick is them over compensating for being morally repugnant people in private, its all a massive facade, in my experience people who colour their hair purple, pink etc are usually very, very disturbed mentally... think James Holmes. These are the people the left needs to lance off, they're degenerate scum.
I actually think this new Leftism should probably be classified a mental illness.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 14, 2019 19:25:21 GMT
How many people are on these protests? I'm assuming it's tiny given that no media outlets have picked up on it. 239 |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 19:30:31 GMT
How many people are on these protests? I'm assuming it's tiny given that no media outlets have picked up on it. 239 Fair point. I should've asked if it is a big protest, or is it people finding relatively irrelevant stuff to be annoyed by? |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 19:40:23 GMT
I've heard Conservatives described as murderers, Brexit Party MPs labelled as Nazis...far worse terms than 'Communist'. I've heard Labour politicians called terorist sympathisers and friends of ISIS. Can we agree that both sides have flung a lot of shit about that is a bit over-the-top? I couldn't agree more. Two sides of the same coin. |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 14, 2019 19:43:02 GMT
How many people are on these protests? I'm assuming it's tiny given that no media outlets have picked up on it. 239 Brighton didn't play, that probably put an extra few on the gate. |
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Post by yeokel on Dec 14, 2019 19:55:12 GMT
In five years time you’ll be five years older and five years further along your journey from being on the left to being more to the right. The bit of experience that you will be missing at that time will be of having lived under a leftish government for a few years. Once you’ve endured and seen the results of that, your journey will speed up a little bit. I know you think it won’t but there’s many others on this board who have been the same idealistic left-leaning young person that you are now and whose views, some more than others, have drifted right as they piled the years on. You know what, that may well happen. And I've seen people, family and friends saying things like 'well if poor people want to afford food they should get off their arses and get a job' and things like that. I hope I go the way my grandfather has and remain a socialist. And to be perfectly honest, for all the 'arrogance' quips levied at left wingers who are young, there is an incredible level of arrogance in saying 'oh you're only left wing because you're young, you don't really know anything'. When realistically I have moved further and further left with every year since I turned 16. I've gone to a GP asking for mental health assistance and been told to either 'wait 6 months or you can get it private for £50 an hour', a figure I could nowhere near afford at the time, and still can't now. I've seen kids in a school I taught at come in without food and steal bread from the dining hall to take home because parents can't afford enough food. I've seen friends on zero-hours contracts turned down when they ask for extra hours because they can't afford rent. I've seen a friend in the NHS work minimum 14 hours a day 7 days a week for a month straight, sleeping in the car once because she was needed the next day at 5am when her last 14 hour shift finished at midnight. I've heard of her nurse friends having to use a food bank because they don't have enough left over after bills, rent, and car costs. I've seen exactly how useless 'trickle-down economics is' and read up on the research and reasoning behind both right and left wing policies, and I've found that my politics is that of the left. So don't reduce me to my age, because I have given great consideration to why I believe what I believe. Whether you agree with my side or not, I am no yuppie student simply longing for unicorns, puppies and rainbows because it sounds nice. Good reply. You’ve thought about your politics – That’s great. If there were a lot more of your age and older who did the same, necessary changes might stand a chance of happening or, at least, beginning. You’re an intelligent youth, that’s for sure and it is people like you who can make a difference. I would stand by what I said that, in the light of experience, your views will change. Perhaps not all of them, but in twenty or thirty year’s time, if you are able to, you will look back at some of the things you’ve written in places like this and cringe a little.
The world is a big bad place and you will have fought for your place in it. You will want to help those who, through no fault of their own are less well off than you or whose circumstances are worse than your own. But, I suspect that you will have lost sympathy for some who seem unwilling to help themselves and improve their own lot. I could go on and on about this but this is not the place for that. I hope that you do grow up to be like your grandad and remain a socialist.
But, if I may, I would advise you to be a practical socialist, not an idealistic or dogmatic socialist.
Remember not every idea or thought from the left is good. And, not every thought or idea from the right is bad (although quite a few of them are ) Figure out which changes might work and be achievable.
Figure out what is affordable for those who have to pay for it and, if they are going to have to pay for it, prepare the ground, go slowly and get them on message.
Most people who can afford to in this country would support realistic left of centre ideals if you sell them in the right way. But, they can also recognise unaffordable pie in the sky when they see it. That is what lost this election and unless major lessons are learned by the left, it will happen next time too. I wish you well on your political journey. I envy the fact that you are at the beginning of yours rather than two thirds the way through (being optimistic).
Be practical, do not fall victim to or become entrapped by political dogma. All the best. |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2019 19:57:17 GMT
There is a lot of wild talk after a remarkable result. It will interesting to see how hard or soft Johnson proves to be, now he has a free hand.
He has started in conciliatory terms and gone to a Labour heartland to say thank you. But I remember Thatcher quoting St. Francis outside #10.
He got my vote to keep Corbyn out, not for his promise to deliver his version of Brexit, which I feel is too halfway house. My wife asked me what I thought about him and I said "He's a bafoon, what do you think?" She said "I quite like him"!
I fully expect the traditional Labour vote to revert when Brexit has been delivered and a new leader is appointed. There could even be a massive swing in the opposite direction. Remember Churchill was thrown out by a landslide result after leading the country in WWII. What goes around comes around.
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