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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 13:29:57 GMT
That's shocking  there are plenty of jobs out there I've seen them, one last thing do you work for a privately funded school ? Okay, that's fine then. You believe jobless people just don't want a job. I disagree. I do at the minute yes, I have worked in several state schools before and still do in the community now. I spent 12 years in the Civil Service Welfare to Work sector you haven't got a clue what you are on about, why did you chose to work in the private school system ? was it for monetary purposes by any chance, funded by rich parents who most likely you are politically opposed to ? how does that fit in with your Marxist views just curios. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 13:30:18 GMT
You know what, that may well happen. And I've seen people, family and friends saying things like 'well if poor people want to afford food they should get off their arses and get a job' and things like that. I hope I go the way my grandfather has and remain a socialist. And to be perfectly honest, for all the 'arrogance' quips levied at left wingers who are young, there is an incredible level of arrogance in saying 'oh you're only left wing because you're young, you don't really know anything'. When realistically I have moved further and further left with every year since I turned 16. I've gone to a GP asking for mental health assistance and been told to either 'wait 6 months or you can get it private for £50 an hour', a figure I could nowhere near afford at the time, and still can't now. I've seen kids in a school I taught at come in without food and steal bread from the dining hall to take home because parents can't afford enough food. I've seen friends on zero-hours contracts turned down when they ask for extra hours because they can't afford rent. I've seen a friend in the NHS work minimum 14 hours a day 7 days a week for a month straight, sleeping in the car once because she was needed the next day at 5am when her last 14 hour shift finished at midnight. I've heard of her nurse friends having to use a food bank because they don't have enough left over after bills, rent, and car costs. I've seen exactly how useless 'trickle-down economics is' and read up on the research and reasoning behind both right and left wing policies, and I've found that my politics is that of the left. So don't reduce me to my age, because I have given great consideration to why I believe what I believe. Whether you agree with my side or not, I am no yuppie student simply longing for unicorns, puppies and rainbows because it sounds nice. That's shocking there are plenty of jobs out there I've seen them, one last thing do you work for a privately funded school ? His political life is to the left but his life is 100% capitalist and to the right brilliant stance 👍 |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 13:32:20 GMT
That's shocking there are plenty of jobs out there I've seen them, one last thing do you work for a privately funded school ? His political life is to the left but his life is 100% capitalist and to the right brilliant stance 👍 I know a few like that. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 13:33:18 GMT
Okay, that's fine then. You believe jobless people just don't want a job. I disagree. I do at the minute yes, I have worked in several state schools before and still do in the community now. I spent 12 years in the Civil Service Welfare to Work sector you haven't got a clue what you are on about, why did you chose to work in the private school system ? was it for monetary purposes by any chance, funded by rich parents who most likely you are politically opposed to ? how does that fit in with your Marxist views just curios. He's on record of saying it was too hard in state schools so chose private instead. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:39:05 GMT
Okay, that's fine then. You believe jobless people just don't want a job. I disagree. I do at the minute yes, I have worked in several state schools before and still do in the community now. I spent 12 years in the Civil Service Welfare to Work sector you haven't got a clue what you are on about, why did you chose to work in the private school system ? was it for monetary purposes by any chance, funded by rich parents who most likely you are politically opposed to ? how does that fit in with your Marxist views just curios. Okay. I chose to because I wanted to learn to teach in a progressive-teaching based school, and because my mental health wouldn't withstand the stresses of teaching in a state school. My pay is very similar to that of a normal state school physics teacher, and I did not get the 28k bursary usually afforded to trainee physics teachers in their first year. It fits with my 'Marxist' views, because I still believe that eventually people will become upset with the conditions that companies and business apply to their working environment, leading to economies and governance based more around the provision of care, health and human welfare, rather than the exponential profit growth of current economics. I believe we should be transitioning away from growth based corporation economics towards an economy based on welfare and sustainability, as New Zealand have recently done. Marx has in fact been fairly closely aligned with what has actually happened too, as capitalism since he died in the western world has generally become more and more worker-centric, with introduction of such 'Marxist horrors' as universal healthcare, minimum wage, maximum working hours, paid breaks, holidays, weekends, and unions. In fact, I think the next huge push forward will hopefully be the introduction of a universal basic income, a traditionally right wing prospect which worked fantastically well under Reagan in the US trials. Incidentally it was only scrapped because as women in Seattle got money from UBI, they figured out they could have a real career, and divorce rates went up. The GOP felt this wasn't going to bode well with a still very christian nation, and got rid! Despite the fact results showed huge increases in productivity, wealth and welfare of almost all workers. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:05 GMT
That's shocking there are plenty of jobs out there I've seen them, one last thing do you work for a privately funded school ? His political life is to the left but his life is 100% capitalist and to the right brilliant stance 👍 So what should I do? Live on the street and refuse any wages because I don't believe in unregulated capitalism? What a daft argument. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 13:40:51 GMT
The real face of the caring left, bless now stop crying and take your Jeremy Corbin posters down from your bedroom wall you won't require those again. Any sympathy or respect I had for the left has gone after the last couple of days. Virtue signalling, hypocritical and nasty cunts, almost to a man. What exactly has 'the left' done in the last couple of days? I would say there was a lot more of that going on before the election than afterwards. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:41:26 GMT
I spent 12 years in the Civil Service Welfare to Work sector you haven't got a clue what you are on about, why did you chose to work in the private school system ? was it for monetary purposes by any chance, funded by rich parents who most likely you are politically opposed to ? how does that fit in with your Marxist views just curios. He's on record of saying it was too hard in state schools so chose private instead. He's on record as saying it because it's true. I've had mental health issues since university, and seeing the stress of both my mother's work as a teacher and the work I've done in state schools was enough to tell me it would be incredibly detrimental to my health. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 13:42:11 GMT
His political life is to the left but his life is 100% capitalist and to the right brilliant stance 👍 I know a few like that. I know it's as if they are embarrassed to love money or want something better by hard work it seems that it's more virtuous to be poor and on benefits. Some forget the welfare state is to help not a career. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 14, 2019 13:42:31 GMT
His political life is to the left but his life is 100% capitalist and to the right brilliant stance 👍 I know a few like that. Do as I say, not as I do. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 14, 2019 13:43:44 GMT
Agree with pretty much every word of that. Interesting right at the end, that he suggests the size of Boris' majority is probably going to make BRINO more likely and the first people who are likely to find themselves under the wheels of the bus, will be the ERG. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 14, 2019 13:44:47 GMT
He's not wrong in what he says though, is he? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 13:45:47 GMT
Any sympathy or respect I had for the left has gone after the last couple of days. Virtue signalling, hypocritical and nasty cunts, almost to a man. What exactly has 'the left' done in the last couple of days? I would say there was a lot more of that going on before the election than afterwards. Go back a few pages. Browse a couple of threads. Not you, Rip. Always civil. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:46:26 GMT
In five years time you’ll be five years older and five years further along your journey from being on the left to being more to the right. The bit of experience that you will be missing at that time will be of having lived under a leftish government for a few years. Once you’ve endured and seen the results of that, your journey will speed up a little bit. I know you think it won’t but there’s many others on this board who have been the same idealistic left-leaning young person that you are now and whose views, some more than others, have drifted right as they piled the years on. You know what, that may well happen. And I've seen people, family and friends saying things like 'well if poor people want to afford food they should get off their arses and get a job' and things like that. I hope I go the way my grandfather has and remain a socialist. And to be perfectly honest, for all the 'arrogance' quips levied at left wingers who are young, there is an incredible level of arrogance in saying 'oh you're only left wing because you're young, you don't really know anything'. When realistically I have moved further and further left with every year since I turned 16. I've gone to a GP asking for mental health assistance and been told to either 'wait 6 months or you can get it private for £50 an hour', a figure I could nowhere near afford at the time, and still can't now. I've seen kids in a school I taught at come in without food and steal bread from the dining hall to take home because parents can't afford enough food. I've seen friends on zero-hours contracts turned down when they ask for extra hours because they can't afford rent. I've seen a friend in the NHS work minimum 14 hours a day 7 days a week for a month straight, sleeping in the car once because she was needed the next day at 5am when her last 14 hour shift finished at midnight. I've heard of her nurse friends having to use a food bank because they don't have enough left over after bills, rent, and car costs. I've seen exactly how useless 'trickle-down economics is' and read up on the research and reasoning behind both right and left wing policies, and I've found that my politics is that of the left. So don't reduce me to my age, because I have given great consideration to why I believe what I believe. Whether you agree with my side or not, I am no yuppie student simply longing for unicorns, puppies and rainbows because it sounds nice. 👍👍 I can totally understand what you’re saying son, and in my opinion you are right about a lot, if not all of that. It’s difficult because it does need addressing ...but, in my 50+ years on this earth it has told me that the Labour Party will not deliver us this ....yeokel has probably seen what I’ve seen over the years both his and your views are right in a way........neither the tories or labour are the answer. Hopefully we won’t end up in the same state Greece is in now. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 14, 2019 13:46:32 GMT
He's not wrong in what he says though, is he? I think he is on some of it, yes. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 13:46:52 GMT
He's on record of saying it was too hard in state schools so chose private instead. He's on record as saying it because it's true. I've had mental health issues since university, and seeing the stress of both my mother's work as a teacher and the work I've done in state schools was enough to tell me it would be incredibly detrimental to my health. So you put yourself first rather than the poor kids..... some inconsistency in your stance. Not saying you're wrong to leave in fact I'm glad you're on the mend and wish you all the best but just stop being so hypocritical to others with a similar selfish view. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:47:38 GMT
Do as I say, not as I do. At no point have I ever, ever, said that someone should not either send their kids to private school or work in one. I do not believe that the people in the system are the problem. What I do believe is that the state sector should be funded infinitely better than it is, and that a person's education should not be decided by how much money their parents happened to have. I hope they are abolished, and integrated into a properly-funded, hugely reformed state sector in the medium-to-long term. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:49:39 GMT
You know what, that may well happen. And I've seen people, family and friends saying things like 'well if poor people want to afford food they should get off their arses and get a job' and things like that. I hope I go the way my grandfather has and remain a socialist. And to be perfectly honest, for all the 'arrogance' quips levied at left wingers who are young, there is an incredible level of arrogance in saying 'oh you're only left wing because you're young, you don't really know anything'. When realistically I have moved further and further left with every year since I turned 16. I've gone to a GP asking for mental health assistance and been told to either 'wait 6 months or you can get it private for £50 an hour', a figure I could nowhere near afford at the time, and still can't now. I've seen kids in a school I taught at come in without food and steal bread from the dining hall to take home because parents can't afford enough food. I've seen friends on zero-hours contracts turned down when they ask for extra hours because they can't afford rent. I've seen a friend in the NHS work minimum 14 hours a day 7 days a week for a month straight, sleeping in the car once because she was needed the next day at 5am when her last 14 hour shift finished at midnight. I've heard of her nurse friends having to use a food bank because they don't have enough left over after bills, rent, and car costs. I've seen exactly how useless 'trickle-down economics is' and read up on the research and reasoning behind both right and left wing policies, and I've found that my politics is that of the left. So don't reduce me to my age, because I have given great consideration to why I believe what I believe. Whether you agree with my side or not, I am no yuppie student simply longing for unicorns, puppies and rainbows because it sounds nice. 👍👍 I can totally understand what you’re saying son, and in my opinion you are right about a lot, if not all of that. It’s difficult because it does need addressing ...but, in my 50+ years on this earth it has told me that the Labour Party will not deliver us this ....yeokel has probably seen what I’ve seen over the years both his and your views are right in a way........neither the tories or labour are the answer. Hopefully we won’t end up in the same state Greece is in now. I understand that completely, and in a different electoral system such as Proportional vote, I'd be more tempted by the Greens, but as it is, my only option with a chance of power, close to my beliefs, is Labour. I just despise the view that many have that I'm naive because I'm young and left wing. In the same way older people resent the 'you're an old, cynical racist tag' that older tory voters get. Both are untrue. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 13:52:07 GMT
He's on record as saying it because it's true. I've had mental health issues since university, and seeing the stress of both my mother's work as a teacher and the work I've done in state schools was enough to tell me it would be incredibly detrimental to my health. So you put yourself first rather than the poor kids..... some inconsistency in your stance. Not saying you're wrong to leave in fact I'm glad you're on the mend and wish you all the best but just stop being so hypocritical to others with a similar selfish view. It's not inconsistent at all, I would have absolutely no affect on the kids in the state sector because I would have a breakdown within a year and have to leave. As it is, I work in a private school and do outreach work with local state schools. I'm not having a go at others at all, I was defending my own views being solely seen as naive and young. |
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 13:58:01 GMT
You know what, that may well happen. And I've seen people, family and friends saying things like 'well if poor people want to afford food they should get off their arses and get a job' and things like that. I hope I go the way my grandfather has and remain a socialist. And to be perfectly honest, for all the 'arrogance' quips levied at left wingers who are young, there is an incredible level of arrogance in saying 'oh you're only left wing because you're young, you don't really know anything'. When realistically I have moved further and further left with every year since I turned 16. I've gone to a GP asking for mental health assistance and been told to either 'wait 6 months or you can get it private for £50 an hour', a figure I could nowhere near afford at the time, and still can't now. I've seen kids in a school I taught at come in without food and steal bread from the dining hall to take home because parents can't afford enough food. I've seen friends on zero-hours contracts turned down when they ask for extra hours because they can't afford rent. I've seen a friend in the NHS work minimum 14 hours a day 7 days a week for a month straight, sleeping in the car once because she was needed the next day at 5am when her last 14 hour shift finished at midnight. I've heard of her nurse friends having to use a food bank because they don't have enough left over after bills, rent, and car costs. I've seen exactly how useless 'trickle-down economics is' and read up on the research and reasoning behind both right and left wing policies, and I've found that my politics is that of the left. So don't reduce me to my age, because I have given great consideration to why I believe what I believe. Whether you agree with my side or not, I am no yuppie student simply longing for unicorns, puppies and rainbows because it sounds nice. 👍👍 I can totally understand what you’re saying son, and in my opinion you are right about a lot, if not all of that. It’s difficult because it does need addressing ...but, in my 50+ years on this earth it has told me that the Labour Party will not deliver us this ....yeokel has probably seen what I’ve seen over the years both his and your views are right in a way........neither the tories or labour are the answer. Hopefully we won’t end up in the same state Greece is in now. Can we have their weather and food  Greece should never have been integrated into the EU, they were in no position to join thus the mess they find themselves in now. |
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 13:59:22 GMT
So you put yourself first rather than the poor kids..... some inconsistency in your stance. Not saying you're wrong to leave in fact I'm glad you're on the mend and wish you all the best but just stop being so hypocritical to others with a similar selfish view. It's not inconsistent at all, I would have absolutely no affect on the kids in the state sector because I would have a breakdown within a year and have to leave. As it is, I work in a private school and do outreach work with local state schools. I'm not having a go at others at all, I was defending my own views being solely seen as naive and young. That's my point though mate it is inconsistent to deny you made a choice for you, as a bloke still medicated and still suffering from depression I get it. But to deny your path and deny your privilege by pontificating the virtue of one life while living another is just not on. |
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Post by serpico on Dec 14, 2019 14:08:58 GMT
Traditional Labour voters: You asked us to vote in a referendum and we'd like Brexit please. Labour 'celebrity': You live in a shithole and you're stupid. Probably the most punchable person on TV the last 30 years! what a cock. The mask is fully slipping off the lefties now, their true hatred and contempt for the working class is being laid bare. |
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Post by serpico on Dec 14, 2019 14:13:43 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2019 14:13:44 GMT
So you put yourself first rather than the poor kids..... some inconsistency in your stance. Not saying you're wrong to leave in fact I'm glad you're on the mend and wish you all the best but just stop being so hypocritical to others with a similar selfish view. It's not inconsistent at all, I would have absolutely no affect on the kids in the state sector because I would have a breakdown within a year and have to leave. As it is, I work in a private school and do outreach work with local state schools. I'm not having a go at others at all, I was defending my own views being solely seen as naive and young. I to suffer from mental health and will be on medication for the rest of my life, when I joined the civil service in 2000 I was punching above my weight academically, my common sense and life experience carried me through to been one of the areas top performers, I was offered the opportunity to advance which was a massive mistake on my part the pressure almost caused a full blown mental breakdown, thankfully I managed to arrange an exit strategy before it went full blown. I worked under both Labour and the Tory's there was not a fag paper between either expectation under both were unrealistic, I can tell you neither gives a flying fuck about us minions, they are all privately educated Rupert's the only difference the Tory's don't try to hide it, I detest champagne socialism with a passion along with the jackbooted mongmentum bully boy's. Good luck with your mental health at least I was older in life when it struck me 
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 14:17:49 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 14, 2019 14:22:35 GMT
A week or so ago Rod the Mod was being lauded by Celtic supporters for singing Grace and visiting Glasnevin Cemetery.
Today, he seems to have become persona non grata to the Green Brigade.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:42:18 GMT
It's not inconsistent at all, I would have absolutely no affect on the kids in the state sector because I would have a breakdown within a year and have to leave. As it is, I work in a private school and do outreach work with local state schools. I'm not having a go at others at all, I was defending my own views being solely seen as naive and young. That's my point though mate it is inconsistent to deny you made a choice for you, as a bloke still medicated and still suffering from depression I get it. But to deny your path and deny your privilege by pontificating the virtue of one life while living another is just not on. I have a hell of a lot of privilege, I accept that, but the way to change things is by campaigning to change the system. In the same way, someone who buys Nike shoes is not in favour of sweatshops or a hypocrite, despite the fact Nike has been hugely linked with the use of them. I do a hell of a lot to push the children at my school, who will no doubt end up in high positions, to try and understand the fact that they are incredibly lucky and most people will never have the opportunity they have. I hope it makes a difference. I am pontificating the virtue of a system. Not of the people within it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2019 14:43:12 GMT
It's not inconsistent at all, I would have absolutely no affect on the kids in the state sector because I would have a breakdown within a year and have to leave. As it is, I work in a private school and do outreach work with local state schools. I'm not having a go at others at all, I was defending my own views being solely seen as naive and young. I to suffer from mental health and will be on medication for the rest of my life, when I joined the civil service in 2000 I was punching above my weight academically, my common sense and life experience carried me through to been one of the areas top performers, I was offered the opportunity to advance which was a massive mistake on my part the pressure almost caused a full blown mental breakdown, thankfully I managed to arrange an exit strategy before it went full blown. I worked under both Labour and the Tory's there was not a fag paper between either expectation under both were unrealistic, I can tell you neither gives a flying fuck about us minions, they are all privately educated Rupert's the only difference the Tory's don't try to hide it, I detest champagne socialism with a passion along with the jackbooted mongmentum bully boy's. Good luck with your mental health at least I was older in life when it struck me
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 14, 2019 14:44:53 GMT
'I hope Boris dies a horrible death..... Oh.... and I want to be a Doctor' If she genuinely wants to be a Dr good luck because shes clearly a bit thick and when she applies for her course/job I hope that vid forms part of the interview. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 14, 2019 14:49:04 GMT
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there are plenty of jobs out there I've seen them, one last thing do you work for a privately funded school ?
Greece should never have been integrated into the EU, they were in no position to join thus the mess they find themselves in now.
