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Post by algor on Nov 28, 2019 22:32:54 GMT
It's like drawing Vale in the Cup. Everything to lose and nothing to gain! A huge lead in the polls, no need to do it. You don’t even care about a Prime Minister standing up to scrutiny. Honestly what is the world coming to. I suppose you also support their refusal to take massively edited BBC clips down even though the BBC have asked them too and threatening to revoke Channel 4s licence when they, quite rightly, said Gove couldn’t take his place in the leaders debate this evening which Boris couldn’t be bothered to show to up. Propaganda machine in full swing. And people seem happy about that. You’re basically happy to be manipulated and possibly lied to. You do make me laugh, If the boot was on the other foot you wouldn't want Corbyn to do it regardless how much you may deny it on here. The Left think the BBC are biased against them and the Right think they are biased against them, there isn't much more to be said about that. As for propaganda watch your mate Corbyn standing on a podium waving documents about yesterday and proclaiming they said something that they didn't, that's propaganda! As for "possibly lied to" by the Tory's I will take that over being definitely lied to by Labour every day of the week!
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 28, 2019 22:34:00 GMT
Part of me would love to see a life long political anti EU campaigner leading Brexit from the EU, that man is of course Jezza his promise of free broadband and a £40,000 lump sum for the Waspi is hard to resist, I am going to change my mind nothing to do with the money of course which would pay for an Olympic sized swimming pool for our villa in Lanzarote and quite a few San Migs to boot when he takes his rightful place as the PM, I will even send him a postcard when we have relocated, Oh Jeremy Corbyn come on chaps you know it makes sense get rid of these lying Tory bastards Life long political any EU campaigner. He’s chopped and changed as much as the rest of them. Whatever suits him at the time as with everything else www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/how-boris-johnson-has-changed-his-views-on-europeIf anything Corbyn was more anti EU throughout his life. He’s from the Tony Benn school of thought on it. He’s sold out to party demands though and that is downfall. Don't be harsh on Jeremy he's had a rough week, I am sure he was bullied into abandoning his principals and doing a 360 which is unusual for such a man of principal, his Union paymasters should be ashamed of what they have done to such an upstanding man. As I said I was all for against voting for him until he started showering the masses with gifts, he will come through this sticky patch and lead you all to the promised land ! meanwhile I will be watching with interest from my lovely new swimming pool paid for by Jeremy , time for change folks get these lying tory racist bastards out of government, power to the people you know it makes sense peeps.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 28, 2019 22:35:57 GMT
It’s not going to be as good as the meltdown in a few years down the line when you’re paying for NHS you can’t afford and it’s entirely your own daft fault. I’ve heard that scareline every election Of course it takes a quiz show host in our horrendous country to point out what's truly at play here...
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 28, 2019 22:37:44 GMT
Maybe, just maybe that shows how fucking appalling Jeremy Corbyn is? In a Food Bank, collecting food for her own children. Pretty desperate straits. A Conservative Government for the last nine years. And her response is to vote for Boorish because she likes him. I don't think her response said anything about Jeremy Corbyn at all. Maybe, just maybe, she was being hoodwinked into thinking that the Tories will make people in such conditions their priority. Maybe just maybe in the desperate plight she finds herself reaching out for someone who can make a difference she doesn't even consider Jeremy Corbyn. That is the true scale of how fucking wretched Corbyn is to the Labour party.
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Post by algor on Nov 28, 2019 22:38:33 GMT
I don't agree mate, I think the revelation that a holocaust denier only received a warning and that he was going to find 58 Billion down the sofa for waspi added to the tax lies really opened a lot of peoples eyes! Agree on the desperation point though, catching up on the last few pages on here shows it! Looking forward to the Friday 13th Meltdown. It’s not going to be as good as the meltdown in a few years down the line when you’re paying for NHS you can’t afford and it’s entirely your own daft fault. Labour have been telling me this for the last 30 years but I still haven't had to pay for it, You believe it if you want to but I have heard it all before and it was as baseless then as it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 22:39:23 GMT
You don’t even care about a Prime Minister standing up to scrutiny. Honestly what is the world coming to. I suppose you also support their refusal to take massively edited BBC clips down even though the BBC have asked them too and threatening to revoke Channel 4s licence when they, quite rightly, said Gove couldn’t take his place in the leaders debate this evening which Boris couldn’t be bothered to show to up. Propaganda machine in full swing. And people seem happy about that. You’re basically happy to be manipulated and possibly lied to. You do make me laugh, If the boot was on the other foot you wouldn't want Corbyn to do it regardless how much you may deny it on here. The Left think the BBC are biased against them and the Right think they are biased against them, there isn't much more to be said about that. As for propaganda watch your mate Corbyn standing on a podium waving documents about yesterday and proclaiming they said something that they didn't, that's propaganda! As for "possibly lied to" by the Tory's I will take that over being definitely lied to by Labour every day of the week! I’ve literally already said I’d be appalled if Corbyn hadn’t done it. I want to know what I’m voting for warts and all. And regarding the papers, I didn’t watch him waving them around I spent a few hours yesterday evening reading them myself. I bet you can’t say the same and have just watched some clip of Boris saying it’s not ‘for sale’.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 28, 2019 22:40:11 GMT
It’s not going to be as good as the meltdown in a few years down the line when you’re paying for NHS you can’t afford and it’s entirely your own daft fault. I’ve heard that scareline every election This doesn't sound like a bad outline plan for the NHS, from the Brexit party. Labour would not accept it on principle, the principle that they need the NHS to be a political football...... We need to develop a National Health Service fit for the 21st Century. The Brexit Party believes in continued investment in the NHS, better management, increasing the number of medical staff and cutting waste. We want the NHS to be a beacon of excellent care. It was the Labour governments of Blair and Brown that burdened the NHS with billions of pounds of debt through their Private Finance Initiatives. • The NHS must remain a publically-owned, comprehensive service that is free at the point of use. Your postcode should not determine your care or health. • There should be no privatisation of the NHS; where existing private initiatives have failed to deliver we will return them to public ownership. • We support investment in medical research and development and will stop the taxpayer being ripped off by pharmaceutical companies. • Abolish all politically imposed hospital targets that distort clinical priorities. • Re-open the nursing and midwifery professions to recruitment without the degree requirement, alongside a new nursing qualification in social care. • Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments. • Have a national debate on our NHS, involving the public alongside MPs, doctors and experts. We should discuss ring-fencing the NHS budget and the tax revenues that pay for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 22:42:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 22:43:24 GMT
I’ve heard that scareline every election This doesn't sound like a bad outline plan for the NHS, from the Brexit party. Labour would not accept it on principle, the principle that they need the NHS to be a political football...... We need to develop a National Health Service fit for the 21st Century. The Brexit Party believes in continued investment in the NHS, better management, increasing the number of medical staff and cutting waste. We want the NHS to be a beacon of excellent care. It was the Labour governments of Blair and Brown that burdened the NHS with billions of pounds of debt through their Private Finance Initiatives. • The NHS must remain a publically-owned, comprehensive service that is free at the point of use. Your postcode should not determine your care or health. • There should be no privatisation of the NHS; where existing private initiatives have failed to deliver we will return them to public ownership. • We support investment in medical research and development and will stop the taxpayer being ripped off by pharmaceutical companies. • Abolish all politically imposed hospital targets that distort clinical priorities. • Re-open the nursing and midwifery professions to recruitment without the degree requirement, alongside a new nursing qualification in social care. • Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments. • Have a national debate on our NHS, involving the public alongside MPs, doctors and experts. We should discuss ring-fencing the NHS budget and the tax revenues that pay for it. Shame they sold out to the Tories in so many seats.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 28, 2019 22:44:39 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 28, 2019 22:47:57 GMT
I’ve heard that scareline every election Of course it takes a quiz show host in our horrendous country to point out what's truly at play here... Is that fact or just his opinion?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 28, 2019 22:48:18 GMT
This doesn't sound like a bad outline plan for the NHS, from the Brexit party. Labour would not accept it on principle, the principle that they need the NHS to be a political football...... We need to develop a National Health Service fit for the 21st Century. The Brexit Party believes in continued investment in the NHS, better management, increasing the number of medical staff and cutting waste. We want the NHS to be a beacon of excellent care. It was the Labour governments of Blair and Brown that burdened the NHS with billions of pounds of debt through their Private Finance Initiatives. • The NHS must remain a publically-owned, comprehensive service that is free at the point of use. Your postcode should not determine your care or health. • There should be no privatisation of the NHS; where existing private initiatives have failed to deliver we will return them to public ownership. • We support investment in medical research and development and will stop the taxpayer being ripped off by pharmaceutical companies. • Abolish all politically imposed hospital targets that distort clinical priorities. • Re-open the nursing and midwifery professions to recruitment without the degree requirement, alongside a new nursing qualification in social care. • Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments. • Have a national debate on our NHS, involving the public alongside MPs, doctors and experts. We should discuss ring-fencing the NHS budget and the tax revenues that pay for it. Shame the sold out to the Tories in so many seats. I don't think that they " sold out" myself. Shame that the Tories don't stand down in the 200 seats that they can't possibly win and that some Labour voters are not blindly loyal to the party, in my opinion..... This contract should be acceptable to Labour voters...... The way the political Establishment has conspired to frustrate democracy over Brexit has highlighted the need for fundamental political reform. The Brexit Party can deliver real democratic change because we are not part of the Westminster status quo. It is now time for a debate on a written constitution. We pledge to: • Reform the voting system to make it more representative. • Abolish the unelected House of Lords. • Make MPs who switch parties subject to recall petitions. • Overhaul the postal voting system to combat fraud and abuse. • Reform the Supreme Court – judges who play a role in politics must be subject to political scrutiny. Ensure political balance by broadening participation in the Selection Commission or conduct interviews by Parliamentary Committee. • Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public – we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality. • Phase out the BBC licence fee. • Require Universities to incorporate an obligation to protect legal free speech. • Introduce Citizens’ Initiatives to allow people to call referendums, subject to a 5m threshold of registered voter signatures and time limitations on repeat votes.
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Post by algor on Nov 28, 2019 22:50:07 GMT
You do make me laugh, If the boot was on the other foot you wouldn't want Corbyn to do it regardless how much you may deny it on here. The Left think the BBC are biased against them and the Right think they are biased against them, there isn't much more to be said about that. As for propaganda watch your mate Corbyn standing on a podium waving documents about yesterday and proclaiming they said something that they didn't, that's propaganda! As for "possibly lied to" by the Tory's I will take that over being definitely lied to by Labour every day of the week! I’ve literally already said I’d be appalled if Corbyn hadn’t done it. I want to know what I’m voting for warts and all. And regarding the papers, I didn’t watch him waving them around I spent a few hours yesterday evening reading them myself. I bet you can’t say the same and have just watched some clip of Boris saying it’s not ‘for sale’. I don't really do clips mate, I assess evidence and having read the papers I saw nothing to confirm Corbyn's lies! As I have said previously this is something Labour try every election. It's a very old and predictable attack that is always proved wrong.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 28, 2019 22:54:19 GMT
Of course it takes a quiz show host in our horrendous country to point out what's truly at play here... Is that fact or just his opinion? Observation.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 28, 2019 22:54:20 GMT
It's politics, Corbyn was a rabbit in the headlights, didn't know what hit him and he won't recover from that. Neil is the most articulate interviewer in the land and I actually felt sorry for Corbyn watching it. Johnson has no need to take that risk, he'll get pelters for ducking the challenge and rightly so but the risk of doing the interview is higher. So it doesn’t concern you as a voter that our Prime Minister is afraid to stand up to scrutiny? I think that’s the issue people have with it. It’s like well what are you hiding because you know Andrew Neil will dig deeper. As you say Neil is an incredible interviewer but he deals in fact and challenges people. I didn’t feel sorry for Corbyn because this is his job and they were all questions that needed to be asked. I’d rather have the best possible idea of what I’m voting for. Warts and all. People have lost so much faith in politicians. Brexit, this election, have all been a shambles but this to me is just making it worse. What does he have to hide? I suspect their reaction would have been completely different had it been Corbyn who had dodged the interview. Scandalous from the BBC.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 28, 2019 22:56:30 GMT
They knew Gove would have wiped the floor with them. Hey ho. Gove wasn't invited as has been politely pointed out to Thickerley Who do you think won the climate debate? Did it make you question your allegiance to the Labour Party?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 28, 2019 22:59:04 GMT
Stoke-on-Trent North predicted to turn blue.
Has that ever happened before?
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Post by salopstick on Nov 28, 2019 22:59:07 GMT
Is that fact or just his opinion? Observation. Opinion then
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 22:59:18 GMT
I’ve literally already said I’d be appalled if Corbyn hadn’t done it. I want to know what I’m voting for warts and all. And regarding the papers, I didn’t watch him waving them around I spent a few hours yesterday evening reading them myself. I bet you can’t say the same and have just watched some clip of Boris saying it’s not ‘for sale’. I don't really do clips mate, I assess evidence and having read the papers I saw nothing to confirm Corbyn's lies! As I have said previously this is something Labour try every election. It's a very old and predictable attack that is always proved wrong. So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”...
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Post by algor on Nov 28, 2019 22:59:25 GMT
You should know better than this really. Posting links to newspaper articles is amateur, I am sure if I posted links to articles in the Daily Mail you would find it equally amusing. You are getting into MoMo's "the Gaurdian is fact" lunacy.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 28, 2019 23:03:54 GMT
Is that fact or just his opinion? Observation. From Chairman Mo
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 23:03:54 GMT
You should know better than this really. Posting links to newspaper articles is amateur, I am sure if I posted links to articles in the Daily Mail you would find it equally amusing. You are getting into MoMo's "the Gaurdian is fact" lunacy. I know posting a link which directly quotes an article Boris wrote himself in the Telegraph is lunacy. Would the Telegraph article itself make it better or do we not even believe articles written by the man himself: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/snap-crackle-pop-view-nhs/amp/
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 28, 2019 23:04:38 GMT
I don't really do clips mate, I assess evidence and having read the papers I saw nothing to confirm Corbyn's lies! As I have said previously this is something Labour try every election. It's a very old and predictable attack that is always proved wrong. So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”... What if the US drugs were cheaper and more readily available?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 28, 2019 23:08:40 GMT
I’ve heard that scareline every election Of course it takes a quiz show host in our horrendous country to point out what's truly at play here... They have been in charge of the NHS for 44 of the 71 years it has existed if they wanted to sell it off it would have already done so, laughable isnt the word for this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 23:10:04 GMT
So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”... What if the US drugs were cheaper and more readily available? But they aren’t and their issues with patents is that if you have a patent then generic drugs can’t be used which are cheaper and it prevents other people making that drug and hence you can drive your price because there is no other option: www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-u-s-pays-3-times-more-for-drugs/
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Post by 4372 on Nov 28, 2019 23:13:44 GMT
In a Food Bank, collecting food for her own children. Pretty desperate straits. A Conservative Government for the last nine years. And her response is to vote for Boorish because she likes him. I don't think her response said anything about Jeremy Corbyn at all. Maybe, just maybe, she was being hoodwinked into thinking that the Tories will make people in such conditions their priority. Maybe just maybe in the desperate plight she finds herself reaching out for someone who can make a difference she doesn't even consider Jeremy Corbyn. That is the true scale of how fucking wretched Corbyn is to the Labour party. Maybe, maybe, there is no helping her at the present time. If she thinks Boris and the Tories are going to help her in her plight, the game is up all round. It reminded me of a robust discussion I had at school some years ago. Not long after the London bombings. A lad who was convinced that the bombers were Muslim and all Muslims were bad, and there was no telling him that the bombers were British.
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Post by algor on Nov 28, 2019 23:16:00 GMT
I don't really do clips mate, I assess evidence and having read the papers I saw nothing to confirm Corbyn's lies! As I have said previously this is something Labour try every election. It's a very old and predictable attack that is always proved wrong. So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”... They were preliminary talks (not carried out by ministers), there was a clear sector opt out option for any party when actual talks begin. I didn't see anything ruled out by the USA at this point either, did you? Do you think they wont have any trade Red lines? It was simply a discussion to agree a structure of negotiations. Labour lies, lies, lies!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 28, 2019 23:16:06 GMT
Shame the sold out to the Tories in so many seats. I don't think that they " sold out" myself. Shame that the Tories don't stand down in the 200 seats that they can't possibly win and that some Labour voters are not blindly loyal to the party, in my opinion..... This contract should be acceptable to Labour voters...... The way the political Establishment has conspired to frustrate democracy over Brexit has highlighted the need for fundamental political reform. The Brexit Party can deliver real democratic change because we are not part of the Westminster status quo. It is now time for a debate on a written constitution. We pledge to: • Reform the voting system to make it more representative. • Abolish the unelected House of Lords. • Make MPs who switch parties subject to recall petitions. • Overhaul the postal voting system to combat fraud and abuse. • Reform the Supreme Court – judges who play a role in politics must be subject to political scrutiny. Ensure political balance by broadening participation in the Selection Commission or conduct interviews by Parliamentary Committee. • Make the Civil Service more accountable to the public – we would require civil servants to sign an oath to act with political neutrality. • Phase out the BBC licence fee. • Require Universities to incorporate an obligation to protect legal free speech. • Introduce Citizens’ Initiatives to allow people to call referendums, subject to a 5m threshold of registered voter signatures and time limitations on repeat votes. Did they write that they can "deliver real democratic change" before or after they stood down their candidates to help one of the existing major parties to maintain the status quo? Some of the policies are decent, but it's high on ideology and very low on details of how to get it done and how it will be paid for. That is to say, even lower than the other parties.
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Post by lommack on Nov 28, 2019 23:16:19 GMT
So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”... What if the US drugs were cheaper and more readily available? They usually are, to begin with, and then when there is no other option the price tends to go up...a lot
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 28, 2019 23:18:15 GMT
So they weren’t considering what hinders US goods being sold in the UK across a number of sectors such as those pesky food standards we have and patent issues that hinder them selling their drugs in the UK? They weren’t evidence of talks being held that the government denied and it was so good that as soon as the NHS was mentioned the said “no we are not discussing the NHS”. I agree “sell off” is misleading. It would be have been more accurate to say “exploring ways to use your taxpayer money to pay US companies to provide services and drugs to the NHS”... What if the US drugs were cheaper and more readily available? I posted something similar a while back Numpty. 9 months ago we were told that because of BREXIT there will be a shortage of drugs and people will die..." Can you cope with the guilt when children díe because of what you have done?' The agenda has changed, now the Americans can't wait to get drugs to us..... both positions can't be true.
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