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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 27, 2019 21:39:18 GMT
Surely "Russian interference" has got to raise its head soon. Are we saving it for December?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2019 21:39:51 GMT
The YouGov MRP analysis out at 10 should be the most revealing stuff out to date.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 27, 2019 21:48:10 GMT
Didn't the head of the NHS ask all parties not to politicise the NHS during this campaign.
Corbyn Milne uses either actors (again) or NHS workers dressed in scrubs and stethoscope's (!) to hand out his nonsense documents.
Laughable.
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 27, 2019 21:49:19 GMT
The YouGov MRP analysis out at 10 should be the most revealing stuff out to date. Don't hold your breath its a right wing poling organisation
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2019 21:53:41 GMT
Didn't the head of the NHS ask all parties not to politicise the NHS during this campaign. Corbyn Milne uses either actors (again) or NHS workers dressed in scrubs and stethoscope's (!) to hand out his nonsense documents. Laughable. That's lame even for that right wing loon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 21:56:34 GMT
Didn't the head of the NHS ask all parties not to politicise the NHS during this campaign. Corbyn Milne uses either actors (again) or NHS workers dressed in scrubs and stethoscope's (!) to hand out his nonsense documents. Laughable. Lovely work from the right wing Spectator owned by the billionaire Barclay brothers 👍 A document setting out preliminary trade talks is of course just nonesense! They just did it because they had nothing better to do that day. How could people be so foolish! If I hadn’t spent this afternoon actually bothering to read the thing I would have guessed it was mostly doodles and people scribbling their own name 🙄
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Post by thingscouldbemarvellous on Nov 27, 2019 22:05:12 GMT
The YouGov MRP analysis out at 10 should be the most revealing stuff out to date. You are not wrong there. The only ones to have called the 2017 election as a hung parliament as well
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 27, 2019 22:05:23 GMT
Oh dear thoughts with essex and momo
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Post by serpico on Nov 27, 2019 22:19:52 GMT
it entirely possible the tories might win by an even bigger margin than this new poll suggests, in the US the polls were skewered because people didn't like to admit they were voting for trump, something similar might happen here, all those upper/middle class labour voters who will see their taxes increase might have a change of mind once they're in the voting booth, its all well and good chanting "ooh jeremy corbyn" whilst quaffing Quinoa at glastonbury, but when push comes to shove they might secretly vote in their own interests.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 27, 2019 22:39:04 GMT
Didn't the head of the NHS ask all parties not to politicise the NHS during this campaign. Corbyn Milne uses either actors (again) or NHS workers dressed in scrubs and stethoscope's (!) to hand out his nonsense documents. Laughable. Lovely work from the right wing Spectator owned by the billionaire Barclay brothers 👍 A document setting out preliminary trade talks is of course just nonesense! They just did it because they had nothing better to do that day. How could people be so foolish! If I hadn’t spent this afternoon actually bothering to read the thing I would have guessed it was mostly doodles and people scribbling their own name 🙄 If you've read these hundreds of pages please tell us where the NHS is mentioned and how many times. Cheers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2019 22:39:57 GMT
it entirely possible the tories might win by an even bigger margin than this new poll suggests, in the US the polls were skewered because people didn't like to admit they were voting for trump, something similar might happen here, all those upper/middle class labour voters who will see their taxes increase might have a change of mind once they're in the voting booth, its all well and good chanting "ooh jeremy corbyn" whilst quaffing Quinoa at glastonbury, but when push comes to shove they might secretly vote in their own interests. Since Farage sold out, I've always thought a Tory 25-35 majority was likely. I'm not sure if YouGov's methodology will hold quite as much water this time as it did in 2017, as the country is fractured along parochial lines the likes of which we've never witnessed before but a workable Tory majority seems pretty certain and Johnson is sure to bunker down now and avoid any potentially unfriendly scrutiny.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 27, 2019 22:41:56 GMT
Didn't the head of the NHS ask all parties not to politicise the NHS during this campaign. Corbyn Milne uses either actors (again) or NHS workers dressed in scrubs and stethoscope's (!) to hand out his nonsense documents. Laughable. That's lame even for that right wing loon. So actors or real NHS workers gave out fake news on behalf of your party and you're happy with that. Say it ain't so Mo.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 22:45:18 GMT
it entirely possible the tories might win by an even bigger margin than this new poll suggests, in the US the polls were skewered because people didn't like to admit they were voting for trump, something similar might happen here, all those upper/middle class labour voters who will see their taxes increase might have a change of mind once they're in the voting booth, its all well and good chanting "ooh jeremy corbyn" whilst quaffing Quinoa at glastonbury, but when push comes to shove they might secretly vote in their own interests. As a middle class voter (not a fan of Qunoia btw and have never been to Glastonbury) who will pay more income tax under a Labour government I can promise you I will not be changing my mind because I will save myself a couple of hundred quid. You’d really have to pretty hard nosed to think I’m going to vote for a party which has literally caused people to die and nurses to go to food banks to save yourself a couple of hundred pounds if you are already earning a lot in comparison to many people. I don’t really consider my socialist just not a completely selfish prick. I’ve been extremely lucky and I’m not about to forget that. The percentage of people that theory applies to is small and if you earn so much that it has a huge impact on your earnings (which will really only be shareholders and people earning hundreds of thousands of pounds) you probably wouldn’t be voting Labour in the first place.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2019 22:46:10 GMT
He's found the magic money tree, now he's found a magic nurses tree!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 22:48:38 GMT
That's lame even for that right wing loon. So actors or real NHS workers gave out fake news on behalf of your party and you're happy with that. Say it ain't so Mo. Gave out fake news? By fake news you mean the actual transcript of the trade talks published by the department for trade for people to read for themselves and people to decide for themselves what they make of it. What they handed out couldn’t have been any less fake. And yes if NHS workers want to support the campaign I’d assume there was a reason and bloody well listen them. They should know better than anyone the issues with the NHS.
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Post by serpico on Nov 27, 2019 22:53:44 GMT
it entirely possible the tories might win by an even bigger margin than this new poll suggests, in the US the polls were skewered because people didn't like to admit they were voting for trump, something similar might happen here, all those upper/middle class labour voters who will see their taxes increase might have a change of mind once they're in the voting booth, its all well and good chanting "ooh jeremy corbyn" whilst quaffing Quinoa at glastonbury, but when push comes to shove they might secretly vote in their own interests. As a middle class voter (not a fan of Qunoia btw and have never been to Glastonbury) who will pay more income tax under a Labour government I can promise you I will not be changing my mind because I will save myself a couple of hundred quid. You’d really have to pretty hard nosed to think I’m going to vote for a party which has literally caused people to die and nurses to go to food banks to save yourself a couple of hundred pounds if you are already earning a lot in comparison to many people. I don’t really consider my socialist just not a completely selfish prick. I’ve been extremely lucky and I’m not about to forget that. The percentage of people that theory applies to is small and if you earn so much that it has a huge impact on your earnings (which will really only be shareholders and people earning hundreds of thousands of pounds) you probably wouldn’t be voting Labour in the first place. Sure, I could be wrong, I’m just throwing out a theory, plus Johnson is hardly a fiscal conservative, he’s a big spender, he only seems like a penny pincher when compared to Corbyn and his helicopter money.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 27, 2019 22:54:58 GMT
it entirely possible the tories might win by an even bigger margin than this new poll suggests, in the US the polls were skewered because people didn't like to admit they were voting for trump, something similar might happen here, all those upper/middle class labour voters who will see their taxes increase might have a change of mind once they're in the voting booth, its all well and good chanting "ooh jeremy corbyn" whilst quaffing Quinoa at glastonbury, but when push comes to shove they might secretly vote in their own interests. Since Farage sold out, I've always thought a Tory 25-35 majority was likely. I'm not sure if YouGov's methodology will hold quite as much water this time as it did in 2017, as the country is fractured along parochial lines the likes of which we've never witnessed before but a workable Tory majority seems pretty certain and Johnson is sure to bunker down now and avoid any potentially unfriendly scrutiny. Plenty of time for things to change. It’s been a very bad 48 hours for Corbyn. But there is still plenty of time for Johnson to fall flat on his face. And remember Corbyn doesn’t need a majority. All he has to do is deny the Tories one and he is PM.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 22:58:20 GMT
Lovely work from the right wing Spectator owned by the billionaire Barclay brothers 👍 A document setting out preliminary trade talks is of course just nonesense! They just did it because they had nothing better to do that day. How could people be so foolish! If I hadn’t spent this afternoon actually bothering to read the thing I would have guessed it was mostly doodles and people scribbling their own name 🙄 If you've read these hundreds of pages please tell us where the NHS is mentioned and how many times. Cheers. It talks about many services/areas of trade and sets out preliminary issues/concerns. It talks about the fact that EU standards are an issue for trade so the UK effectively needs to fall outside their standards for trade with the UK. It talks about the supply of drugs to the NHS and patent issues. It talks about having a private court effectively to settle US disputes (i.e US companies could sue the government confidentiality). It says that it expect all areas (i.e including the NHS) to be part of any deal and says the US has the right to withdraw from negotiations over a trade deal if they are not. It says that certain climate change deals on the US side are however ruled out because Congress won’t allow it. It’s not all about the NHS but the NHS was discussed when we were told these talks didn’t even happen so it’s odd that whereas the US was ruling things out we didn’t think to mention it was ruled out and instead discussed the US’ “concerns”. If you can’t be bothered to read it yourself then this is a pretty balanced summary www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 23:07:59 GMT
As a middle class voter (not a fan of Qunoia btw and have never been to Glastonbury) who will pay more income tax under a Labour government I can promise you I will not be changing my mind because I will save myself a couple of hundred quid. You’d really have to pretty hard nosed to think I’m going to vote for a party which has literally caused people to die and nurses to go to food banks to save yourself a couple of hundred pounds if you are already earning a lot in comparison to many people. I don’t really consider my socialist just not a completely selfish prick. I’ve been extremely lucky and I’m not about to forget that. The percentage of people that theory applies to is small and if you earn so much that it has a huge impact on your earnings (which will really only be shareholders and people earning hundreds of thousands of pounds) you probably wouldn’t be voting Labour in the first place. Sure, I could be wrong, I’m just throwing out a theory, plus Johnson is hardly a fiscal conservative, he’s a big spender, he only seems like a penny pincher when compared to Corbyn and his helicopter money. The impact of the Conservatives austerity measure is a complete and utter disgrace to one of the worlds richest countries. Have you read the UNs commissions report? Corbyns spending plans are still lower than quite a few European countries including France and Germany and are on a par with the Scandinavian countries which are very stable so it’s not as crazy as some think I do agree I can’t really see them raising quite as much as they think but even half that manifesto is better than anything the Conservatives are offering. The way I see it is unless you have hundreds of thousands saved your an accident away, the illness of yourself or a family member away from that changing in a heart beat. You can’t take it for granted or think you’re immune to some of the problems which aren’t being addressed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2019 23:09:16 GMT
Since Farage sold out, I've always thought a Tory 25-35 majority was likely. I'm not sure if YouGov's methodology will hold quite as much water this time as it did in 2017, as the country is fractured along parochial lines the likes of which we've never witnessed before but a workable Tory majority seems pretty certain and Johnson is sure to bunker down now and avoid any potentially unfriendly scrutiny. Plenty of time for things to change. It’s been a very bad 48 hours for Corbyn. But there is still plenty of time for Johnson to fall flat on his face. And remember Corbyn doesn’t need a majority. All he has to do is deny the Tories one and he is PM. Oh absolutely, less than a 5% swing from this analysis in 30 seats and the majority is gone. There is a feeling also that the effect of fairly late voter registration hasn't fully fed through yet. Definitely not over. Labour of course have far more foot power to get the vote out as well but its obviously not good news for Labour based on the success of YouGov's last MPR poll which of course wasn't fully appreciated until the shock exit poll came in on election night. In fact it was pretty much dismissed out of hand up to that point.
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Post by sunshine on Nov 27, 2019 23:22:30 GMT
Oh dear thoughts with essex and momo I'll sleep a little easier tonight knowing we're on our way to seeing the back of Corbyn and his fantasy politics.
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Post by musik on Nov 28, 2019 4:13:07 GMT
I don't know if it's true but Jeremy Corbyn was described on SR P1 radio in Sweden yesterday as too much extreme left wing even for the normal left wing voters.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 28, 2019 6:45:03 GMT
I don't know if it's true but Jeremy Corbyn was described on SR P1 radio in Sweden yesterday as too much extreme left wing even for the normal left wing voters. That's true.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 28, 2019 6:46:21 GMT
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Post by M on Nov 28, 2019 7:13:03 GMT
Oh dear thoughts with essex and momo I'll sleep a little easier tonight knowing we're on our way to seeing the back of Corbyn and his fantasy politics. It's a survey of about 0.002% of registered voters... Don't get too comfortable.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 28, 2019 7:25:51 GMT
Oh dear thoughts with essex and momo A good morning Waking up to the libs and labour trying to spin it their way. The libs can’t do a deal in wales with plaid then moan about farage doing the same thing Corbyn neutral in 2020
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Post by salopstick on Nov 28, 2019 7:29:27 GMT
Talk about delusion
This Lib Dem education spokeswoman on gmtv thinks they are the only party capable of stopping Boris. Justifying fake newspapers
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 28, 2019 7:41:27 GMT
I'll sleep a little easier tonight knowing we're on our way to seeing the back of Corbyn and his fantasy politics. It's a survey of about 0.002% of registered voters... Don't get too comfortable. The prospect of a landslide Tory victory could be the worst thing for the Tories just now. For two reasons... Died in the wool Labour voters who would only vote Tory to “get Brexit done” could easily revert to Labour because they feel their vote isn’t now needed to get said Brexit done It may galvanise tactical voting among Remainers who will remember the bigger picture of stopping Brexit is their main concern in this election. Maybe Boris Johnson will now decide to do his interview with Andrew Neil if only to knock a few points off his lead!
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Post by M on Nov 28, 2019 8:01:34 GMT
It's a survey of about 0.002% of registered voters... Don't get too comfortable. The prospect of a landslide Tory victory could be the worst thing for the Tories just now. For two reasons... Died in the wool Labour voters who would only vote Tory to “get Brexit done” could easily revert to Labour because they feel their vote isn’t now needed to get said Brexit done It may galvanise tactical voting among Remainers who will remember the bigger picture of stopping Brexit is their main concern in this election. Maybe Boris Johnson will now decide to do his interview with Andrew Neil if only to knock a few points off his lead! I just don't get why anyone gets excited about polls. The only poll really worth paying attention to before the result is the exit poll. Personally if I were Boris I would be more worried about how many young people have registered to vote than Corbyn would at this on the scale of things tiny opinion poll.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 28, 2019 8:23:04 GMT
When a poll comes out the leaders of that poll get excited the non leaders say it’s only a poll means nothing
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