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Post by bathstoke on Nov 26, 2019 8:46:57 GMT
Feels as obvious as saying that water is wet. II do sometimes feel like if certain politicians/parties said that water wasn't wet then people would be backing that argument on here too to be fair. Strictly speaking, water isn’t wet. It is a liquid which makes other things wet when it comes into contact with them. I had a doctor explain to me about it one time when trying to tell me that putting water onto a patch of dry skin I had was making it worse not better. (There’s lots about it on Google if you can be bothered) (Water not being wet, not my dry skin) Is a Dr a physicist or a physician... |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 26, 2019 8:55:47 GMT
Strictly speaking, water isn’t wet. It is a liquid which makes other things wet when it comes into contact with them. I had a doctor explain to me about it one time when trying to tell me that putting water onto a patch of dry skin I had was making it worse not better. (There’s lots about it on Google if you can be bothered) (Water not being wet, not my dry skin) Just googled it...I saw your argument put forward, but then I also saw this... I guess it's open to debate. “Wet - adj. 1. covered or saturated with liquid.” Water is the liquid state of H2O.
Yes it is wet. It is 100% liquid, and is therefore 100% saturated with liquid. Can't get more saturated than that. Oh wait, water can. Water is polar molecule, like little magnets, and is hydrophillic. You heard me right, water attracts water. So it's more like 100+% liquid. Also wet doesn't state that it must be saturated in a different liquid. So all liquids are wet because they are saturated in themselves, a liquid.
There is no discussion to be had on whether it is wet or not. Because if it weren’t wet; then it would be dry, and at that point we can all agree it's not water, it would cease to exist as water.Wetness is the degree to which a liquid clings to a surface. It is a function of the surface and of the liquid (and also physical environmental factors like temperature and pressure). Water will not wet wax, for example.
The scientific measurement of wetness is contact angle, the angle that the side of a droplet makes to the plane of the surface. Smaller contact angles mean more wetting (flatter droplets), and larger contact angles mean less wetting (more bead-like droplets).
So far as these things are concerned, wetness is really only defined if you state the liquid and the surface. If we specify that the liquid is water and that the surface is skin, then science will tell you that water on skin has a small contact angle, and therefore, that scientifically speaking, water is wet.Hope that nappy rash clears up mate. It just goes to show, there’s two sides to every argument. Just like politics  |
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Post by yeokel on Nov 26, 2019 8:56:16 GMT
Strictly speaking, water isn’t wet. It is a liquid which makes other things wet when it comes into contact with them. I had a doctor explain to me about it one time when trying to tell me that putting water onto a patch of dry skin I had was making it worse not better. (There’s lots about it on Google if you can be bothered) (Water not being wet, not my dry skin) Is a Dr a physicist or a physician... Or a rapper? This one was/is a GP. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 26, 2019 8:58:25 GMT
She was remarkably koi on the performance of the Scottish NHS. Sturgeon comes across really well south of the border but let’s be fair she’s generally only asked about the general premise of independence which is her bread and butter. On other domestic issues I’ve often seen her looking far less confident when interviewed. Be interesting to see how the others fare, I hope Neill doesn’t go for the antisemitism cheap shots tonight with Corbyn, I hope it’s all about economic/social policy as it will be interesting to see how Corbyn handles it. I have no fish puns..... Neil should ask if Corbyn thinks he has been wrong on leaving the EU all this time, given his new, neutral stance. He should then ask if his promises can be believed this time, when key ones were reneged on last time. And the main one should be "Where is the money REALLY coming from?". The tone of Neil's interview will reveal a lot. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 26, 2019 8:59:08 GMT
Just googled it...I saw your argument put forward, but then I also saw this... I guess it's open to debate. “Wet - adj. 1. covered or saturated with liquid.” Water is the liquid state of H2O.
Yes it is wet. It is 100% liquid, and is therefore 100% saturated with liquid. Can't get more saturated than that. Oh wait, water can. Water is polar molecule, like little magnets, and is hydrophillic. You heard me right, water attracts water. So it's more like 100+% liquid. Also wet doesn't state that it must be saturated in a different liquid. So all liquids are wet because they are saturated in themselves, a liquid.
There is no discussion to be had on whether it is wet or not. Because if it weren’t wet; then it would be dry, and at that point we can all agree it's not water, it would cease to exist as water.Wetness is the degree to which a liquid clings to a surface. It is a function of the surface and of the liquid (and also physical environmental factors like temperature and pressure). Water will not wet wax, for example.
The scientific measurement of wetness is contact angle, the angle that the side of a droplet makes to the plane of the surface. Smaller contact angles mean more wetting (flatter droplets), and larger contact angles mean less wetting (more bead-like droplets).
So far as these things are concerned, wetness is really only defined if you state the liquid and the surface. If we specify that the liquid is water and that the surface is skin, then science will tell you that water on skin has a small contact angle, and therefore, that scientifically speaking, water is wet.Hope that nappy rash clears up mate. It just goes to show, there’s two sides to every argument. Just like politics Also found this one I am almost fairly certain people who argue against this obvious question a.) are just looking for attention b.) have no clue what water is or the definition of wet is or c.) want to argue for no apparent reason. I know using an ad hominem argument is not valid, but I wanted to get my point across. If you actually understand and know the definition of wet, you will know, water is wet.
The only thing scientifically proven to be wetter than water is trickdicky |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 26, 2019 9:13:52 GMT
Please excuse the cynicism, but a lobby group produces a report that serves its own interests needs taking with a pinch of salt. Particularly when so much of the data is so subjective as is the case with relative poverty (which has been discussed before) The cynic in me suggests this is the time any competent lobby group should have something to say during the hustings because this is the one time you get to push parties hard to do something in your area of interest. True, but then why do they specifically pick out the Tory party? If they really wanted to gain something then surely they'd try to put pressure on all parties and therefore increase the chances of getting something in return. Possibly. Or they target the party they think will be in Government. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 26, 2019 9:22:10 GMT
True, but then why do they specifically pick out the Tory party? If they really wanted to gain something then surely they'd try to put pressure on all parties and therefore increase the chances of getting something in return. Possibly. Or they target the party they think will be in Government. Maybe. But then by targeting a specific party with negative news you're decreasing their chances of getting into government. In any case, it's not a game changer. |
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Nov 26, 2019 10:18:49 GMT
Feels as obvious as saying that water is wet. II do sometimes feel like if certain politicians/parties said that water wasn't wet then people would be backing that argument on here too to be fair. Strictly speaking, water isn’t wet. It is a liquid which makes other things wet when it comes into contact with them. I had a doctor explain to me about it one time when trying to tell me that putting water onto a patch of dry skin I had was making it worse not better. (There’s lots about it on Google if you can be bothered) (Water not being wet, not my dry skin) Ha yeah, bad example for something that people couldn't argue. Technically yeah, liquid isn't wet but saying that "water is wet" is correct too, a little nuance in communication that means that water can wet you. |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 26, 2019 10:46:12 GMT
Possibly. Or they target the party they think will be in Government. Maybe. But then by targeting a specific party with negative news you're decreasing their chances of getting into government. In any case, it's not a game changer. not a game changer on its own but might be the straw that broke the camels back for many given all the other lies and condemnation |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 26, 2019 10:50:35 GMT
another chlorinated tory chicken yo frit to face up to his actions
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab was called a "coward" by the friends and family of Harry Dunn as they were left outside of a hustings in his constituency yesterday.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 26, 2019 11:36:45 GMT
GGGOOOAAARRRNNN BRICKIE APPRENTICE  |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 26, 2019 12:16:04 GMT
GGGOOOAAARRRNNN BRICKIE APPRENTICE His background and where he comes from, good lad must come from a working family in a Labour area  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 12:20:10 GMT
About blooming time.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 26, 2019 12:22:38 GMT
another chlorinated tory chicken yo frit to face up to his actions Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab was called a "coward" by the friends and family of Harry Dunn as they were left outside of a hustings in his constituency yesterday. He's at a local hustings event. They were there to lobby against the Government. Wrong place, wrong time. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 26, 2019 12:33:34 GMT
It just goes to show, there’s two sides to every argument. Just like politics Also found this one I am almost fairly certain people who argue against this obvious question a.) are just looking for attention b.) have no clue what water is or the definition of wet is or c.) want to argue for no apparent reason. I know using an ad hominem argument is not valid, but I wanted to get my point across. If you actually understand and know the definition of wet, you will know, water is wet.
The only thing scientifically proven to be wetter than water is trickdickyHa ha, I missed that one, earlier! 😁 |
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Post by 4372 on Nov 26, 2019 12:44:36 GMT
another chlorinated tory chicken yo frit to face up to his actions Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab was called a "coward" by the friends and family of Harry Dunn as they were left outside of a hustings in his constituency yesterday. He's at a local hustings event. They were there to lobby against the Government. Wrong place, wrong time. They have lost their son,they have apparently had no help from Raab or the government,and you think they were in the wrong place at the wrong time! They have every right to ask their questions |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Nov 26, 2019 12:48:13 GMT
Corbyn doing all he can, whatever you think of the bloke, he's a bloody good campaigner.
Seems to visit far more seats than Johnson has.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 26, 2019 12:54:16 GMT
He's at a local hustings event. They were there to lobby against the Government. Wrong place, wrong time. They have lost their son,they have apparently had no help from Raab or the government,and you think they were in the wrong place at the wrong time! They have every right to ask their questions Raab has already met them as Home Secretary. Under purdah rules Raab isn't even an MP at the moment. The Government have said they will try and find an acceptable result for the family in trying to bring their sons alleged killer to justice. The family didn't think enough was being doing and started legal proceedings against HMG. The family were informed that HMG would have to mount a legal defence, which they have. I get it that they're unhappy but it's their actions that have driven this situation. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 26, 2019 12:55:15 GMT
Corbyn doing all he can, whatever you think of the bloke, he's a bloody good campaigner. Seems to visit far more seats than Johnson has. He's been a 'campaigner' for 40 years and not changed a single thing. |
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Post by serpico on Nov 26, 2019 13:00:41 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2019 13:06:02 GMT
Sturgeon comes across really well south of the border but let’s be fair she’s generally only asked about the general premise of independence which is her bread and butter. On other domestic issues I’ve often seen her looking far less confident when interviewed. Be interesting to see how the others fare, I hope Neill doesn’t go for the antisemitism cheap shots tonight with Corbyn, I hope it’s all about economic/social policy as it will be interesting to see how Corbyn handles it. I have no fish puns..... She is by a country mile the most polished political performer around these days. But that is what it is... a performance. Her Government is as big a mess as any Government that’s been in power for a long time and finds its hard to deflect criticism onto previous regimes. Although she does her level best to blame Westminster for everything!! Neil will kick the shit out of Corbyn. Anti-semitiism will be a line of attack but I doubt that will matter much. That stuff ain’t news. Corbyn just needs to sit tight and take the beating. It is hard to think of anyway he can come out ahead. But remember the person who has most to lose in this series of 1-2-1s is Johnson. And Neil will give him as hard a time as he does Corbyn. I know we disagree vehemently on this but I think that Farage is also head and shoulders above Sturgeon. Both have been accused of being one issue politicians, I feel that Farage aguably has had a bigger task and has been more effective. The referendum was achieved and won, the fact it has not been implemented has been out of his hands. |
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 26, 2019 13:12:33 GMT
She is by a country mile the most polished political performer around these days. But that is what it is... a performance. Her Government is as big a mess as any Government that’s been in power for a long time and finds its hard to deflect criticism onto previous regimes. Although she does her level best to blame Westminster for everything!! Neil will kick the shit out of Corbyn. Anti-semitiism will be a line of attack but I doubt that will matter much. That stuff ain’t news. Corbyn just needs to sit tight and take the beating. It is hard to think of anyway he can come out ahead. But remember the person who has most to lose in this series of 1-2-1s is Johnson. And Neil will give him as hard a time as he does Corbyn. I know we disagree vehemently on this but I think that Farage is also head and shoulders above Sturgeon. Both have been accused of being one issue politicians, I feel that Farage aguably has had a bigger task and has been more effective. The referendum was achieved and won, the fact it has not been implemented has been out of his hands. We disagree about Farage - the man. But we are probably closer than you think about Farage - the achievement. He is the single most influential politician of the 21st century to date. He has unquestionably been the driving force behind the most significant political event in British politics for half a century. In one regards he is head and shoulders above Nicola Sturgeon; he won hIs referendum! I won’t drone on about why I dislike this odious man. I’ve said enough on that. But to dismiss his achievements would be churlish. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 26, 2019 13:12:33 GMT
Corbyn has just said that the "far right" such as Trump and Johnson are "walking in the footsteps of the Nazis".
I hope that gets picked up by Andrew Neil and others. I think it's fucking despicable.
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Post by serpico on Nov 26, 2019 13:17:23 GMT
Corbyn has just said that the "far right" such as Trump and Johnson are "walking in the footsteps of the Nazis". I hope that gets picked up by Andrew Neil and others. I think it's fucking despicable. If johnson was far right in the sense of the nazis then he'd be calling for nationalisation of industry... which of the candidates is calling for that ? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2019 13:22:33 GMT
Corbyn has just said that the "far right" such as Trump and Johnson are "walking in the footsteps of the Nazis". I hope that gets picked up by Andrew Neil and others. I think it's fucking despicable. The use and abuse of language is an important strategy of groups who want to control and think that they have a right to control how others think, behave and what they say....to equate Johnson with the far right completely undermines the political argument. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 26, 2019 13:22:34 GMT
Corbyn has just said that the "far right" such as Trump and Johnson are "walking in the footsteps of the Nazis". I hope that gets picked up by Andrew Neil and others. I think it's fucking despicable. Yeah but did he say "humbug"? |
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 26, 2019 13:23:37 GMT
Comedy communism, thats how i'd describe Labour. Carry on lying Carry on spending Carry on nationalising
I feel a trilogy coming on here Dianne Abbott as the new Barbara Windsor and Corbynski as Sid James.
Now THAT made me laugh….I had visions of Charles Haughtry playing the scruffy Jeremy Corbyn !!!  With Diane Abbott co-starring as Hattie Jacques Now THAT would be something worth getting on your free broadband network !!! |
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Post by serpico on Nov 26, 2019 13:32:49 GMT
Corbyn has just said that the "far right" such as Trump and Johnson are "walking in the footsteps of the Nazis". I hope that gets picked up by Andrew Neil and others. I think it's fucking despicable. The use and abuse of language is an important strategy of groups who want to control and think that they have a right to control how others think, behave and what they say....to equate Johnson with the far right completely undermines the political argument. I think Labour are getting desperate now, when they're not complaining about the bbc editing out a small bit of laughter for the sake of brevity they're busy trying to buy votes by offering huge government hand outs, now they're starting to call their opponents nazis, a sure sign of desperation imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 14:05:06 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 26, 2019 14:20:46 GMT
The use and abuse of language is an important strategy of groups who want to control and think that they have a right to control how others think, behave and what they say....to equate Johnson with the far right completely undermines the political argument. I think Labour are getting desperate now, when they're not complaining about the bbc editing out a small bit of laughter for the sake of brevity they're busy trying to buy votes by offering huge government hand outs, now they're starting to call their opponents nazis, a sure sign of desperation imo. I think it does reflect on the calibre of our politicians in general. They can deal in trivia to try to win the argument ( ie keep their jobs... which seems to be all that they are capable of.. " talking about things").... while we could be talking about major strategies to take the country forward. Anathema to some but I think that Farage is absolutely right again....he has moved is agenda on to " politics is broken"... he's right....in some ways we are at a crossroads and need to take this chance to start again.... perhaps a coded constitution following wide consultation, rights as well as responsibilities, electoral reform, abolish the H of L....it seems that the political class/ the old parties are simply offering us more of the same. Perhaps proportional representation would force concensus politics that could see the outdated left v right debate |
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