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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2019 13:04:32 GMT
Looking at the manifesto, all I can see if this about voting reform: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48847542"Reform the voting system to make it more representative." Is there more information available - like how proportional voting might work? i've heard Farage say it several times. He believes in democracy. One reference is here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48847542but I'm sure others can be found via google We had a referendum on av . Libs campaign for change and the tories campaigned to keep FPTP labour remained neutral Where have we heard that recently |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2019 13:25:19 GMT
Looking at the manifesto, all I can see if this about voting reform: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48847542"Reform the voting system to make it more representative." Is there more information available - like how proportional voting might work? i've heard Farage say it several times. He believes in democracy. One reference is here www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48847542but I'm sure others can be found via google The cross-party project is certainly an interesting one, and is a very good idea. I'm largely in favour of proportional representation, but I'm aware it was voted down by the public in 2011 in a referendum. Whether it changes or not, the UK is still a democracy so it's not really about "believing in democracy". It's what type of democracy is best where some people will disagree. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2019 13:35:25 GMT
I don't think that they will get any seats in the two party cartel ( supported by the medi) but I think that it is worth posting the Brexit party CONTRACT.........It does dispel some rumours/ incorrect publicity on the NHS for example. The party decided to use the word " contract".........it would frighten the daylights out of the establishment because Farage would actually deliver on things like abolishing the House of Lords......I would have thought that this would be a bit of a priority for socialists and would generate some money. www.thebrexitparty.org/contract/#contract-top• The NHS must remain a publicly-owned, comprehensive service that is free at the point of use. Your postcode should not determine your care or health. • There should be no privatisation of the NHS; where existing private initiatives have failed to deliver we will return them to public ownership. • We support investment in medical research and development and will stop the taxpayer being ripped off by pharmaceutical companies. • Abolish all politically imposed hospital targets that distort clinical priorities. • Re-open the nursing and midwifery professions to recruitment without the degree requirement, alongside a new nursing qualification in social care. • Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments. • Have a national debate on our NHS, involving the public alongside MPs, doctors and experts. We should discuss ring-fencing the NHS budget and the tax revenues that pay for it. Are the incorrect rumours that video of Nigel Farage saying that the UK should have an insurance-based health system similar to the US? Maybe he's changed his mind since stating those beliefs - if that's the case then fair play to him. Changing the word manifesto to contract doesn't really change much. In fact, Farage has taken the idea from Silvio Berlusconi who produced a contract to the people in the early 2000s - he won a majority and delivered very little of what was in the contract. The word 'contract' doesn't immediately make it legally-binding. Even though I don't like FTFP, it's not really the two-party cartel that the BP would have you believe. The SNP and Lib Dems have been able to win a decent amount of seats within this system, and that's the sort of the level the Brexit Party should be aiming for. Still, I agree with some of the policies - although similar to the Lib Dem manifesto (and Labour's to a certain point) it's fairly easy to offer everything when you've got no chance of a majority. |
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 25, 2019 13:41:57 GMT
How much will the Labour policy on the WASPI women impact on the election? My Mrs is one who has been badly affected by the women’s pension age increase and follows closely the WASPI Facebook page. Many see the socialists announcement as panic measures after they had produced their manifesto. Jezbolah has history of promising the earth then reneging on it. Remember his promise to abolish student fees in his 2017 manifesto only to say later that it was only a proposal for further discussion. Compensating WASPI women would cost an estimated £58b and when macdonnut was asked how it would be funded he said it would not be funded in the normal way but as a compensation payment similar to mesothelioma victims.  |
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Post by serpico on Nov 25, 2019 13:42:01 GMT
Comedy communism, thats how i'd describe Labour.
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Post by serpico on Nov 25, 2019 13:49:33 GMT
££££££sss Labour figures over 150% out even the new revised number is probably lowballing it. I think they know they're not going to get into power so are just throwing all sorts of shit out there now, they don't care about details anymore. "free broadband" ? sure, £50B+ for waspi women ? sure, no problems, we'll just fire up the money printer... you get a free car.... you get a free car... you get a free car, everyone gets a free car. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2019 14:01:17 GMT
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Post by chigstoke on Nov 25, 2019 14:04:25 GMT
££££££sss Labour figures over 150% out even the new revised number is probably lowballing it. I think they know they're not going to get into power so are just throwing all sorts of shit out there now, they don't care about details anymore. "free broadband" ? sure, £50B+ for waspi women ? sure, no problems, we'll just fire up the money printer... you get a free car.... you get a free car... you get a free car, everyone gets a free car. Speaking of cars, wonder what their electric policy will end up being? I know they're offering interest free loans of up to £33,000 towards an electric car, but with no interest then what's the incentive for labour, aside from a green policy? Surely they'd want extra cash going in to the economy by the way of interest, even at a low percentage. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 25, 2019 14:31:03 GMT
It's clearly a bullshit statistic. Use the ftse 500 as a sample and I would imagine ALL of them do business with the EU. You got me the FTSE 500 do all trade probably trade in Europe however I think you will find there are more than 8,333 businesses in the uk so its not quite the zinger you think. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211There really is no end of things that you can pronounce expertly on despite being completely wrong, a quick google in future might save you some embarrassment mate. Your stats as usual are meaningless. How much of the economy do those companies you quote represent. They're insignificant. If you're going to post something then at least engage your brain first to make sure it's relevant. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2019 14:43:49 GMT
I don't think that they will get any seats in the two party cartel ( supported by the medi) but I think that it is worth posting the Brexit party CONTRACT.........It does dispel some rumours/ incorrect publicity on the NHS for example. The party decided to use the word " contract".........it would frighten the daylights out of the establishment because Farage would actually deliver on things like abolishing the House of Lords......I would have thought that this would be a bit of a priority for socialists and would generate some money. www.thebrexitparty.org/contract/#contract-top• The NHS must remain a publicly-owned, comprehensive service that is free at the point of use. Your postcode should not determine your care or health. • There should be no privatisation of the NHS; where existing private initiatives have failed to deliver we will return them to public ownership. • We support investment in medical research and development and will stop the taxpayer being ripped off by pharmaceutical companies. • Abolish all politically imposed hospital targets that distort clinical priorities. • Re-open the nursing and midwifery professions to recruitment without the degree requirement, alongside a new nursing qualification in social care. • Introduce 24-hour GP surgeries to relieve the strain in A&E departments. • Have a national debate on our NHS, involving the public alongside MPs, doctors and experts. We should discuss ring-fencing the NHS budget and the tax revenues that pay for it. Are the incorrect rumours that video of Nigel Farage saying that the UK should have an insurance-based health system similar to the US? Maybe he's changed his mind since stating those beliefs - if that's the case then fair play to him. Changing the word manifesto to contract doesn't really change much. In fact, Farage has taken the idea from Silvio Berlusconi who produced a contract to the people in the early 2000s - he won a majority and delivered very little of what was in the contract. The word 'contract' doesn't immediately make it legally-binding. Even though I don't like FTFP, it's not really the two-party cartel that the BP would have you believe. The SNP and Lib Dems have been able to win a decent amount of seats within this system, and that's the sort of the level the Brexit Party should be aiming for. Still, I agree with some of the policies - although similar to the Lib Dem manifesto (and Labour's to a certain point) it's fairly easy to offer everything when you've got no chance of a majority. The 2016 UKIP manifesto on the NHS was written by Louise Bours who is an NHS "fanatic"...and was excellent on the principle of " free at the point of delivery" By default obviously the SNP only have mileage in Scotland. It is largely a two Party system ...or perhaps a " political class" cartel might be more accurate to include the Bollox to Brexit party. On your point of offering everything...I don't think that the BREXIT party are offering everything.....and what they are offering is achievable....and what would worry those in power... Farage actually would abolish the H of L and reform the voting system, cancel HS2...etc... hence his calling it a contract |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2019 15:00:03 GMT
Are the incorrect rumours that video of Nigel Farage saying that the UK should have an insurance-based health system similar to the US? Maybe he's changed his mind since stating those beliefs - if that's the case then fair play to him. Changing the word manifesto to contract doesn't really change much. In fact, Farage has taken the idea from Silvio Berlusconi who produced a contract to the people in the early 2000s - he won a majority and delivered very little of what was in the contract. The word 'contract' doesn't immediately make it legally-binding. Even though I don't like FTFP, it's not really the two-party cartel that the BP would have you believe. The SNP and Lib Dems have been able to win a decent amount of seats within this system, and that's the sort of the level the Brexit Party should be aiming for. Still, I agree with some of the policies - although similar to the Lib Dem manifesto (and Labour's to a certain point) it's fairly easy to offer everything when you've got no chance of a majority. The 2016 UKIP manifesto on the NHS was written by Louise Bours who is an NHS "fanatic"...and was excellent on the principle of " free at the point of delivery" By default obviously the SNP only have mileage in Scotland. It is largely a two Party system ...or perhaps a " political class" cartel might be more accurate to include the Bollox to Brexit party. On your point of offering everything...I don't think that the BREXIT party are offering everything.....and what they are offering is achievable....and what would worry those in power... Farage actually would abolish the H of L and reform the voting system, cancel HS2...etc... hence his calling it a contract If you asked Corbyn, he would say he is actually going to provide free broadband, nationalise utilities etc. Remember Ed Miliband put his promises in stone - that act alone didn't ensure that he was definitely going to achieve all he wanted. I actually haven't looked into the contract thing - is it legally binding in any way shape or form? I've jumped to the assumption that it's not - mainly because I don't know how you would legislate for that type of thing - but I'm happy to change my mind if I've got the wrong end of the stick. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 15:05:58 GMT
The cross-party project is certainly an interesting one, and is a very good idea. I'm largely in favour of proportional representation, but I'm aware it was voted down by the public in 2011 in a referendum. Whether it changes or not, the UK is still a democracy so it's not really about "believing in democracy". It's what type of democracy is best where some people will disagree. You accepted the result of a referendum without bitching and crying for three and a half years  |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2019 15:10:22 GMT
You got me the FTSE 500 do all trade probably trade in Europe however I think you will find there are more than 8,333 businesses in the uk so its not quite the zinger you think. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36029211There really is no end of things that you can pronounce expertly on despite being completely wrong, a quick google in future might save you some embarrassment mate. Your stats as usual are meaningless. How much of the economy do those companies you quote represent. They're insignificant. If you're going to post something then at least engage your brain first to make sure it's relevant. Pro tip try googling before you make yourself look like a dick, 94% of UK businesses are insignificant  , exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant businesses fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/PS You have given yourself a good tip in your last sentence  |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 15:17:10 GMT
Comedy communism, thats how i'd describe Labour. Carry on lying Carry on spending Carry on nationalising
I feel a trilogy coming on here Dianne Abbott as the new Barbara Windsor and Corbynski as Sid James.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 25, 2019 15:18:29 GMT
The cross-party project is certainly an interesting one, and is a very good idea. I'm largely in favour of proportional representation, but I'm aware it was voted down by the public in 2011 in a referendum. Whether it changes or not, the UK is still a democracy so it's not really about "believing in democracy". It's what type of democracy is best where some people will disagree. You accepted the result of a referendum without bitching and crying for three and a half years Yes, just like with the Brexit referendum result. |
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Post by riverman on Nov 25, 2019 15:20:14 GMT
This from a party that's been dithering over brexit for the last three years. You couldn't make it up! |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2019 15:28:13 GMT
Worth a read in my opinion. Given the way that Labour has gone under Corbyn, electoral reform is the only way back for those at the bottom of society ( who Labour want us to believe that they represent) Besides which it is simply fairer.............there's always been that tension in British politics between electing a local person as your representative and voting for a party/ with the position of Prime Minister www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/02/nigel-farage-electoral-reform-left-first-past-the-post-proportional-representationThe Electoral Reform Society (ERS) has described the 2015 general election as “the most disproportionate in electoral history”. Three out of four votes cast were “wasted” while the majority of MPs were elected with fewer than 50% of the votes cast in their constituencies. The SDLP won the Belfast South constituency with a mere 24.5% of the vote – the lowest winning vote share since records began, according to the ERS. I don’t know if I agree with it but in Australia it’s compulsory to vote. I assume some spoil votes but is a travesty people don’t vote when hundreds of people died to give them that right. It might make more people engaged and maybe the politicians to actually up their game. I totally understand that the right not to vote is equally important. |
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Post by Foster on Nov 25, 2019 15:46:40 GMT
Your stats as usual are meaningless. How much of the economy do those companies you quote represent. They're insignificant. If you're going to post something then at least engage your brain first to make sure it's relevant. Pro tip try googling before you make yourself look like a dick, 94% of UK businesses are insignificant , exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant businesses fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/PS You have given yourself a good tip in your last sentence Whatever you say Hodor. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 25, 2019 15:47:20 GMT
Worth a read in my opinion. Given the way that Labour has gone under Corbyn, electoral reform is the only way back for those at the bottom of society ( who Labour want us to believe that they represent) Besides which it is simply fairer.............there's always been that tension in British politics between electing a local person as your representative and voting for a party/ with the position of Prime Minister www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/02/nigel-farage-electoral-reform-left-first-past-the-post-proportional-representationThe Electoral Reform Society (ERS) has described the 2015 general election as “the most disproportionate in electoral history”. Three out of four votes cast were “wasted” while the majority of MPs were elected with fewer than 50% of the votes cast in their constituencies. The SDLP won the Belfast South constituency with a mere 24.5% of the vote – the lowest winning vote share since records began, according to the ERS. I don’t know if I agree with it but in Australia it’s compulsory to vote. I assume some spoil votes but is a travesty people don’t vote when hundreds of people died to give them that right. It might make more people engaged and maybe the politicians to actually up their game. I totally understand that the right not to vote is equally important. I agree with you Salop....not sure either....it should be a priority for the " main parties" yo find out why people don't vote.....mind you J do feel that thus election is simply confirming some prejudices....try to make the NHS a political football, make Labour out as a wreckless spendthrift party ( easy to do) , most importantly " get the man/ woman".... There's not really much in terms of innovative policy....I can understand people thinking" they're all the same, nothing ever changes" |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 25, 2019 15:50:35 GMT
The Conservative candidate for Lincoln retweeted posts from former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson and commentator Katie Hopkins. Campaign group Hope Not Hate said Karl McCartney shared several posts containing "anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic material". the same old racist tory party ! but they don't have any problems don't you know!!  |
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 25, 2019 16:08:19 GMT
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 25, 2019 16:28:14 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 16:29:51 GMT
Pro tip try googling before you make yourself look like a dick, 94% of UK businesses are insignificant , exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant businesses fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/PS You have given yourself a good tip in your last sentence Whatever you say Hodor. Are you related to Bath or are you his Belgium equivalent  I shall call you waffle doggy, for a migrant someone who has no interest in UK politics you spend a lot of time commenting on it  |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2019 16:31:04 GMT
It doesn't work ! do you ?  |
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 25, 2019 17:03:23 GMT
thanks for the link to that independent newspaper article one thing I noticed
"Last week the party set up a fake website, labourmanifesto.co.uk, which purported to contain the Labour manifesto but which actually presented voters with Tory attack lines. It paid Google to push the website to the top of search results."
the tories the lying party and the home of fake news! get these untrustworthy people out on 12th dec ! you cant believe a single word they say!
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Post by maxplonk on Nov 25, 2019 17:03:51 GMT
It doesn't work ! do you ? Funny that. It worked when I tested it before posting, and now it doesn't. Try this one instead. If this doesn't work it's the "Nicky Morgan makes Diane Abbott look good at maths" interview from Good Morning Britain. As for me, no I don't work, nor do I function as well as I would like. Otherwise I might be able to work out why Tweets don't appear in my posts. |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2019 17:06:05 GMT
The Conservative candidate for Lincoln retweeted posts from former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson and commentator Katie Hopkins. Campaign group Hope Not Hate said Karl McCartney shared several posts containing "anti-Muslim and anti-Semitic material". the same old racist tory party ! but they don't have any problems don't you know!! He should then be kicked out, hope not hate are a credible source now are there ? www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/03/26/labours-antisemitism-whats-needed-now-action/"This should start with a clear intervention from Jeremy Corbyn, firstly apologising for his own actions and then accepting that the party he leads has failed to adequately deal with the issue. He needs to acknowledge that his failure to confront the problem has compounded it, and he should articulate his own personal determination to act from here on in." www.hopenothate.org.uk/2019/02/17/state-of-hate-2019-antisemitism-in-the-labour-party/ |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2019 17:09:21 GMT
thanks for the link to that independent newspaper article one thing I noticed "Last week the party set up a fake website, labourmanifesto.co.uk, which purported to contain the Labour manifesto but which actually presented voters with Tory attack lines. It paid Google to push the website to the top of search results." the tories the lying party and the home of fake news! get these untrustworthy people out on 12th dec ! you cant believe a single word they say! Its not a fake website if it actually exists and it clearly said on the front page it was a website by the conservative party..... |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2019 17:11:04 GMT
Pro tip try googling before you make yourself look like a dick, 94% of UK businesses are insignificant  , exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant businesses fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/PS You have given yourself a good tip in your last sentence  I'll try not to make myself look so stupid in the future. |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 25, 2019 17:38:07 GMT
New Conservative campaign poster. This from a party that's been dithering over brexit for the last three years. You couldn't make it up! We haven't dithered, May lied. Pure and simple. She promised to sell the EU's WA to the HoC and failed because it was awful. As the two years ticked by the majority remain HoC kept blocking and delaying. |
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, exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant 
I shall call you waffle doggy, for a migrant someone who has no interest in UK politics you spend a lot of time commenting on it 
, exports to the EU account for approx 12-15% of the british economy over the last decade, therefore 85%-88% of the economy is down to those insignificant 
