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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2019 19:30:53 GMT
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 22, 2019 19:35:48 GMT
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 22, 2019 19:37:26 GMT
Diddums, sorry but the pity vote should not keep him in a job, it's a results led business, of which we are not achieving any. As for nick Powell, he gets a kick on the calf and is out longer than the skipper who snaps his ankle. Smell a bottler
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2019 19:42:10 GMT
Oh - I agree.
Can't afford to be sentimental. He'll get several hundred grand to cushion the blow.
But it's harder when you still like them - and that was the case with Lambert to a degree, whereas with Hughes and Rowett, it was much easier to call for their heads.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 22, 2019 19:43:07 GMT
Does he not think his record deserves such to then. He's a very lucky man he has a supportive board, or ones who have their heads stick in the sand whichever way you look at it.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 22, 2019 19:49:38 GMT
Oh - I agree. Can't afford to be sentimental. He'll get several hundred grand to cushion the blow. But it's harder when you still like them - and that was the case with Lambert to a degree, whereas with Hughes and Rowett, it was much easier to call for their heads. And ultimately FM that will be the issue that will relegate us. Coates dont like parting with their cash and they have total belief in their manager, after all they told us they'd been monitoring NJ career for some time when they appointed him. What's all the fuss about!! Makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach to see our beloved club die in front of our eyes, yet feel so angry at those who are adamant hes the right man for the job. The gamble hasnt worked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 20:03:24 GMT
He needs to go whether we like him or not. No room for sentiment, it's a results driven job and he's just not delivering.
Sack him and get Hughton (or similar) in asap !
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 22, 2019 20:51:14 GMT
When NJ was appointed, the general opinion on here was that we have to back him, through thick or thin, the sacking of managers just couldn't go on. Yet here we are, after a horrendous run, mainly calling for change again. Part of me says he is out of his depth and should go, but a bigger part says suck that mop while we climb back up, 16th will do from this position. He will learn, stability will eventually return and maybe, just maybe we can all sing fron the same hymn sheet again. A grim period admittedly but nothing most of us hasn't seen before, the millenials however may think different.
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 22, 2019 21:02:14 GMT
Oh - I agree. Can't afford to be sentimental. He'll get several hundred grand to cushion the blow. But it's harder when you still like them - and that was the case with Lambert to a degree, whereas with Hughes and Rowett, it was much easier to call for their heads. And ultimately FM that will be the issue that will relegate us. Coates dont like parting with their cash and they have total belief in their manager, after all they told us they'd been monitoring NJ career for some time when they appointed him. What's all the fuss about!! Makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach to see our beloved club die in front of our eyes, yet feel so angry at those who are adamant hes the right man for the job. The gamble hasnt worked. If the club is dying “ in front of our eyes,“, we must be the greatest resurrection experts in the world, because even in my lifetime I can think of several times when it was worse than now with absolutely no prospects. And that’s not counting when we actually had to drop out of the league altogether!
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 22, 2019 21:03:55 GMT
Jones reign of Stoke so far has been about as successful as Adolf Hitler deciding that invading Russia in 1941 was a good idea.
You'd have known it was a bad decision in 1941 to do that, just like it's a bad decision to keep Jones at Stoke otherwise we'll be doing a Third Reich and disappearing (from this league).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
Oh - I agree. Can't afford to be sentimental. He'll get several hundred grand to cushion the blow. But it's harder when you still like them - and that was the case with Lambert to a degree, whereas with Hughes and Rowett, it was much easier to call for their heads. Lambert was difficult in that I didn't dislike him too much in any aspect, still really like him as a bloke... The issue was that he was openly like 5th choice for the job, the board were doing him a favour and in the situation we were in we didn't need someone grateful for a job we needed someone who could actually stand up to the hierarchy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:05:47 GMT
Jones reign of Stoke so far has been about as successful as Adolf Hitler deciding that invading Russia in 1941 was a good idea. You'd have known it was a bad decision in 1941 to do that, just like it's a bad decision to keep Jones at Stoke otherwise we'll be doing a Third Reich and disappearing (from this league). When the manager is being compared to Hitler I think it's fair to say that the fanbase has turned .
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 22, 2019 21:07:57 GMT
Jones reign of Stoke so far has been about as successful as Adolf Hitler deciding that invading Russia in 1941 was a good idea. You'd have known it was a bad decision in 1941 to do that, just like it's a bad decision to keep Jones at Stoke otherwise we'll be doing a Third Reich and disappearing (from this league). When the manager is being compared to Hitler I think it's fair to say that the fanbase has turned . He's not a bad bloke like Hitler, but some terrible decision making like him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:08:52 GMT
When the manager is being compared to Hitler I think it's fair to say that the fanbase has turned . He's not a bad bloke like Hitler, but some terrible decision making like him Atleast Hitler got the Autobahn right, Jones on the other hand? Struggling to find the positives!
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 22, 2019 21:09:05 GMT
These next 10 days are crucial and one way or another will seal NJ's fate we play Forest and Huddersfield play Millwall you'd expect Huddersfield to beat Millwall so we can't afford to not win against forest or it could look bleak going into the Huddersfield match.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:14:07 GMT
Jones reign of Stoke so far has been about as successful as Adolf Hitler deciding that invading Russia in 1941 was a good idea. You'd have known it was a bad decision in 1941 to do that, just like it's a bad decision to keep Jones at Stoke otherwise we'll be doing a Third Reich and disappearing (from this league). I wonder if we will go Nein league games without a win against Forest on Friday?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 22, 2019 21:17:49 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it.
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 22, 2019 21:37:26 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. I'm with you on that one mate. I suppose it's because he shows a little passion and endears himself to the fans he really has them eating out of the palm of his hand.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2019 21:49:57 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. Probably his energy and drive for the job - which was pretty infectious, especially early on. I do think he's a good bloke. I always thought he was just the right side of the line without being too cocky. He had a slight edge to him, but just the right amount to create some energy and get a hint of that Kloppy style of leadership going. But that style must be very hard, if not impossible, to pull off with no results and no real buy-in from people. It may even be dawning on him that he's not as good as he thought he was and he isn't some magic Pied Piper figure who can guarantee things, and it's probably hit him quite hard after nearly everything he did turned to gold at Luton Hard not to feel sympathetic towards him as he's getting visibly a bit more introspective and less hyper, especially as without trying to get too deep, it could all be bound up to some extent in his faith. I hope there's still time for it to come good, but can't say I'm hopeful
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Post by robrigo on Sept 22, 2019 21:51:19 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. I did find the chap likeable but as times gone on his utterances now piss me right off. I was taken in by his charm, his patter but he’s contradicted himself at every turn. Basically he’s a bit of a wordsmith but that only takes you so far. Results do, and he’s not getting them.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 22, 2019 22:17:29 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. Probably his energy and drive for the job - which was pretty infectious, especially early on. I do think he's a good bloke. I always thought he was just the right side of the line without being too cocky. He had a slight edge to him, but just the right amount to create some energy and get a hint of that Kloppy style of leadership going. But that style must be very hard, if not impossible, to pull off with no results and no real buy-in from people. It may even be dawning on him that he's not as good as he thought he was and he isn't some magic Pied Piper figure who can guarantee things, and it's probably hit him quite hard after nearly everything he did turned to gold at Luton Hard not to feel sympathetic towards him as he's getting visibly a bit more introspective and less hyper, especially as without trying to get too deep, it could all be bound up to some extent in his faith. I hope there's still time for it to come good, but can't say I'm hopeful Well I like him and FM’s done a right good job there in summarising why.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 22:23:12 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. It may even be dawning on him that he's not as good as he thought he was .. and that is what has happened.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 23, 2019 0:02:55 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. A lot of people like someone unhinged. I must admit I had a soft spot for Alex Higgins when I was a kid even though he used to piss in the flower beds at the Crucible
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 23, 2019 0:05:35 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. He took advantage of the supporters gullibility very early on. He told us what we wanted to hear, Bojan, youth, a team we could be proud of, a system that offers excitement and goals etc, etc. Now its the bleeding hearts he's after but I don't believe there's anything in the tank for him to run on except results, and that doesn't include battling draws
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 23, 2019 0:24:49 GMT
He's not a bad bloke like Hitler, but some terrible decision making like him Atleast Hitler got the Autobahn right, Jones on the other hand? Struggling to find the positives! And the Volkswagen. And rocketry.... But what have the Romans ever done for US? I think, in my opinion, people are right. We did want to support him through thick and thin at the start. I was one, but this is some pretty thin gruel to be trying to choke down. Plus, this isn’t a Lambert amount of games any more and it isn’t a bunch of players that were foisted on him. This is his plan with a group of his players. I also agree, I remember worse, Ball, Kamara et al but this does feel worse now the telly money and the PL teat is gone. For a City and club our size losing that PL money really does look like a dreadful seasons work.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 23, 2019 3:54:20 GMT
When NJ was appointed, the general opinion on here was that we have to back him, through thick or thin, the sacking of managers just couldn't go on. Yet here we are, after a horrendous run, mainly calling for change again. Part of me says he is out of his depth and should go, but a bigger part says suck that mop while we climb back up, 16th will do from this position. He will learn, stability will eventually return and maybe, just maybe we can all sing fron the same hymn sheet again. A grim period admittedly but nothing most of us hasn't seen before, the millenials however may think different. I sort of agree a good manager does not turn into a bad one overnight. lets look at sir alex abysmal start at man u then it all clicked saying all this its probably the death Nell for him now I've come out supporting him! (for a short time only)
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Post by lordb on Sept 23, 2019 5:57:01 GMT
Jones reign of Stoke so far has been about as successful as Adolf Hitler deciding that invading Russia in 1941 was a good idea. You'd have known it was a bad decision in 1941 to do that, just like it's a bad decision to keep Jones at Stoke otherwise we'll be doing a Third Reich and disappearing (from this league). Hitler should have waited a year.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 23, 2019 11:29:08 GMT
What do people find so likeable about him? I genuinely don't get it. Probably his energy and drive for the job - which was pretty infectious, especially early on. I do think he's a good bloke. I always thought he was just the right side of the line without being too cocky. He had a slight edge to him, but just the right amount to create some energy and get a hint of that Kloppy style of leadership going. But that style must be very hard, if not impossible, to pull off with no results and no real buy-in from people. It may even be dawning on him that he's not as good as he thought he was and he isn't some magic Pied Piper figure who can guarantee things, and it's probably hit him quite hard after nearly everything he did turned to gold at Luton Hard not to feel sympathetic towards him as he's getting visibly a bit more introspective and less hyper, especially as without trying to get too deep, it could all be bound up to some extent in his faith. I hope there's still time for it to come good, but can't say I'm hopeful Good summary. I also think the way he is has a lot do do with his faith. He may be at the point where he's questioning things he hasn't done before.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Sept 23, 2019 11:34:02 GMT
I really want to like him and find when he's not talking about specifics he comes across well.
As soon as he talks about tactics, players philosophy he ties himself into a mass of contradictions and I remember he's actually just an idiot.
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Post by robboleek on Sept 23, 2019 11:36:07 GMT
Jones is simply one of those people who believes that if he tells himself something is true enough times it is actually true........ after his comments in the sentinel recently somebody needs to explain to the little duck how the league system works.....
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