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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2019 15:26:12 GMT
For every 5-0 Wembley win there's a 0-5 loss at Bolton a few months later, which ended Bolton's record of 8 straight home defeats I believe "For every 5-0 Wembley win there's a 0-5 loss" :-) I think a 5-0 Wembley win considerably outweighs a 5-0 league loss away from home, when we had 3 games in 7 days with being in the UEFA competition. Give Pulis a break ffs, compared to all managers in not only recent history, say since Macari he stands head and shoulders above all of them. Yes frustrating, yes sometimes/often the football was dire but we won, arguably past sell-by but can't we give the guys the respect and dignity he earned and deserves? Now the football is dire and we lose, is that any better? How long before we're beating Arse, L'Pool, Chelsea and ManU again? Pulis didn’t beat Chelsea or ManU with us.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 20, 2019 15:55:11 GMT
"For every 5-0 Wembley win there's a 0-5 loss" :-) I think a 5-0 Wembley win considerably outweighs a 5-0 league loss away from home, when we had 3 games in 7 days with being in the UEFA competition. Give Pulis a break ffs, compared to all managers in not only recent history, say since Macari he stands head and shoulders above all of them. Yes frustrating, yes sometimes/often the football was dire but we won, arguably past sell-by but can't we give the guys the respect and dignity he earned and deserves? Now the football is dire and we lose, is that any better? How long before we're beating Arse, L'Pool, Chelsea and ManU again? Pulis didn’t beat Chelsea or ManU with us. It may be a very long time before we get another chance!
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Post by boothenesque on Sept 20, 2019 16:41:39 GMT
Pulis didn’t beat Chelsea or ManU with us. It may be a very long time before we get another chance! ffs, does everything have to involve Pulis, he's gone, let it go. The only point I was making was that a 5-0 defeat against Bolton in the leage doesn't cancel out a 5-0 Wembley win and thet he should be given the courtesy of some fucking respect given where he took us from and what was achieved. Set aside Waddington (who was also treating appallingly and hounded out) and is there anyone else that comes close to what Pulis achieved? Do we have to slag him off every fucking day?
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Post by christhepotter on Sept 20, 2019 17:05:53 GMT
I honestly can’t see why he hasn’t been sacked already , 1 point out of 7 games ffs , he would be gone anywhere else by now
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 20, 2019 17:23:05 GMT
I honestly can’t see why he hasn’t been sacked already , 1 point out of 7 games ffs , he would be gone anywhere else by now Tomorrow must be his last chance!? 3 points or get sacked, for me we have come to this point long ago! If you aren't up for a task admit it and quit! Where is the decency in football nowadays!? At some point NJ has to repay the faith from the board or is he just another greedy bastard?
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Post by march4 on Sept 20, 2019 17:24:10 GMT
No they haven't due to the state they were left in by him. Bit like us after Hughes went mental. In answer to your question, not the same one who twatted Liverpool 6-1. On a similar note Middlesbrough haven't moved on with the help of the dossier have they? And they have one of the best and most loyal Chairmen in the the business. H Glad you agree it wasn't by the same manager who beat Liverpool 6-1. It was by the same manager who won an FA Cup semi final 5-0 Pulis' last two years were pretty shit, however the 'mess' he left us included: Butland Wilko Shawcross Huth Whelan N'Zonzi Walters Crouch. I'd love to be back in a mess like that. It's much less messy than Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and Wollschied wouldn't you agree? We were 8th on Boxing Day in his last season having just walloped Liverpool 3-1. Any suggestion that the last two years were awful is complete and utter nonsense.
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on Sept 20, 2019 17:28:39 GMT
I liked what Scott Duxbury said last week on the Sacking of Garcia at Watford.
But I've got to make a professional decision and what I think is best for the football club is not perhaps what the media and pundits think is best.
"Unlike the media and the pundits, I'm here and at the training ground every day, I see what's working and I see what's not working and am able to make an informed decision.
"I don't believe waiting and hoping for results to improve will work and that I need to make a change. It would be wrong of me to wait just because it looks better.
"I've got to be decisive and I've got to make that change. Can it look harsh? Yes. But is it a decision made in the best interests of the football club? Absolutely."
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Post by FrankButcher on Sept 20, 2019 17:35:55 GMT
I liked what Scott Duxbury said last week on the Sacking of Garcia at Watford. But I've got to make a professional decision and what I think is best for the football club is not perhaps what the media and pundits think is best. "Unlike the media and the pundits, I'm here and at the training ground every day, I see what's working and I see what's not working and am able to make an informed decision. "I don't believe waiting and hoping for results to improve will work and that I need to make a change. It would be wrong of me to wait just because it looks better. "I've got to be decisive and I've got to make that change. Can it look harsh? Yes. But is it a decision made in the best interests of the football club? Absolutely." We're doing exactly that though aren't we?? Waiting and hoping for results to improve and doing it because we think it's the best thing to do when the reality is it isn't its a results business and NJ is just not getting them.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2019 18:44:56 GMT
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2019 18:52:28 GMT
No shizzle Sherlock. I like what the Watford chairman has said, I grimace at our floundering and saving of face. Fail to win tomorrow and he has to be gone surely. I see no other option. A draw might be enough for our extremely ambitions owners, however. I can't bear much of this for much longer
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Post by enuntio on Sept 20, 2019 18:57:01 GMT
It isn't all of the managers, it is all of the players... And quite probably the boards
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 20, 2019 19:01:30 GMT
Great club, great squad, great owners, great atmosphere, great changes happening throughout the club, it’s all for nothing Nathan if you can’t achieve the basic fundamentals of football management, win a game or two.
Every time he opens his mouth in the media now he’s pisses me off I just can’t listen to his crap anymore. He has no credibility
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 19:03:25 GMT
I honestly can’t see why he hasn’t been sacked already , 1 point out of 7 games ffs , he would be gone anywhere else by now We're not ...anywhere else! We are Stoke City FC. We're different, even when we don't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 19:05:21 GMT
No shizzle Sherlock. I like what the Watford chairman has said, I grimace at our floundering and saving of face. Fail to win tomorrow and he has to be gone surely. I see no other option. A draw might be enough for our extremely ambitions owners, however. I can't bear much of this for much longer Under other circumstances, we probably wouldn't be expecting a win at Brentford, would we?
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Sept 20, 2019 19:08:29 GMT
The Board who chose Mr Jones know the shit he has maintained us in...Us fans show no signs of ousting him at matches its just here on our fanboard, so why should they get rid ???..my question is why are we not vocal about ridding him ??? Do we want him to stay ? it seems so..I cannot think of another time when we had a manager with such a shit record never came under any negative vocals ??
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2019 19:09:46 GMT
No shizzle Sherlock. I like what the Watford chairman has said, I grimace at our floundering and saving of face. Fail to win tomorrow and he has to be gone surely. I see no other option. A draw might be enough for our extremely ambitions owners, however. I can't bear much of this for much longer Under other circumstances, we probably wouldn't be expecting a win at Brentford, would we? Under any circumstances we should expect the kids to give Brentford a game really, shouldn't we? I can't fathom our position and failures, I really can't. 10 years to build, invest in youth, the future, potential, loan out 20 players a season... Why haven't/didn't we do this? Why are we just so... Inept?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 19:14:53 GMT
Brentford have only scored 5 league goals so far (they've only conceded 6 though) but they'll no doubt find their scoring boots tomorrow. I just can't see us getting anything from this game and it could (and certainly should) finally spell the end for NJ. Hopefully the Board have got a replacement lined up so that we're not floundering around again for several weeks trying to attract a new manager. IMO it needs an experienced bloke who can somehow sort out this shower of a team.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 20, 2019 19:18:58 GMT
The Board who chose Mr Jones know the shit he has maintained us in...Us fans show no signs of ousting him at matches its just here on our fanboard, so why should they get rid ???..my question is why are we not vocal about ridding him ??? Do we want him to stay ? it seems so..I cannot think of another time when we had a manager with such a shit record never came under any negative vocals ?? Because this board probably doesnt reflect the majority of the fan base. The internet is full of hysterics for minor things, things are snowballed. Most reasonable people in the real world see it is a project and and work in progress.
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Post by karl on Sept 20, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
Brentford have only scored 5 league goals so far but they'll no doubt find their scoring boots tomorrow. I just can't see us getting anything from this game and it could (and certainly should) finally spell the end for NJ. Hopefully the Board have got a replacement lined up so that we're not floundering around again for several weeks trying to attract a new manager. IMO it needs an experienced bloke who can somehow sort out this shower of a team. Hopefully Chris Hughton lined up if it doesn't work out. His mate after all is the new head of recruitment which is a bonus
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Post by karl on Sept 20, 2019 19:23:09 GMT
Brentford have only scored 5 league goals so far but they'll no doubt find their scoring boots tomorrow. I just can't see us getting anything from this game and it could (and certainly should) finally spell the end for NJ. Hopefully the Board have got a replacement lined up so that we're not floundering around again for several weeks trying to attract a new manager. IMO it needs an experienced bloke who can somehow sort out this shower of a team. Hopefully Chris Hughton lined up if it doesn't work out. His mate after all is the new head of recruitment which is a bonus It's a shame the Jones isn't the assistant manager at Stoke alongside Chris Hughton as I think things would have turned out differently
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Post by Davef on Sept 20, 2019 19:34:08 GMT
Glad you agree it wasn't by the same manager who beat Liverpool 6-1. It was by the same manager who won an FA Cup semi final 5-0 Pulis' last two years were pretty shit, however the 'mess' he left us included: Butland Wilko Shawcross Huth Whelan N'Zonzi Walters Crouch. I'd love to be back in a mess like that. It's much less messy than Berahino, Wimmer, Imbula and Wollschied wouldn't you agree? We were 8th on Boxing Day in his last season having just walloped Liverpool 3-1. Any suggestion that the last two years were awful is complete and utter nonsense. And within 13 matches we were in real danger of being relegated. But you know that.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 20, 2019 19:46:06 GMT
The Board who chose Mr Jones know the shit he has maintained us in...Us fans show no signs of ousting him at matches its just here on our fanboard, so why should they get rid ???..my question is why are we not vocal about ridding him ??? Do we want him to stay ? it seems so..I cannot think of another time when we had a manager with such a shit record never came under any negative vocals ?? Because this board probably doesnt reflect the majority of the fan base. The internet is full of hysterics for minor things, things are snowballed. Most reasonable people in the real world see it is a project and and work in progress. Unfortunately though most are now failing to see the progress element
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 20, 2019 19:52:54 GMT
I honestly can’t see why he hasn’t been sacked already , 1 point out of 7 games ffs , he would be gone anywhere else by now Tomorrow must be his last chance!? 3 points or get sacked, for me we have come to this point long ago! If you aren't up for a task admit it and quit! Where is the decency in football nowadays!? At some point NJ has to repay the faith from the board or is he just another greedy bastard? Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 20, 2019 19:54:19 GMT
Tomorrow must be his last chance!? 3 points or get sacked, for me we have come to this point long ago! If you aren't up for a task admit it and quit! Where is the decency in football nowadays!? At some point NJ has to repay the faith from the board or is he just another greedy bastard? Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out? Would imagine winning the odd game of football would figure somewhere?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 20, 2019 19:56:58 GMT
Tomorrow must be his last chance!? 3 points or get sacked, for me we have come to this point long ago! If you aren't up for a task admit it and quit! Where is the decency in football nowadays!? At some point NJ has to repay the faith from the board or is he just another greedy bastard? Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out? I'll be very surprised if their objective is to go down, so because of that I want him sacked NOW!
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 20, 2019 19:58:18 GMT
The Board who chose Mr Jones know the shit he has maintained us in...Us fans show no signs of ousting him at matches its just here on our fanboard, so why should they get rid ???..my question is why are we not vocal about ridding him ??? Do we want him to stay ? it seems so..I cannot think of another time when we had a manager with such a shit record never came under any negative vocals ?? Because the 4 people on here who post incessantly about "surely he'll be gone tomorrow" every single day don't make much of an impact in a sea of 20,000+ fans? to answer your question, YES, we want him to stay and build the team he was hired to build.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 20, 2019 20:03:13 GMT
Tomorrow must be his last chance!? 3 points or get sacked, for me we have come to this point long ago! If you aren't up for a task admit it and quit! Where is the decency in football nowadays!? At some point NJ has to repay the faith from the board or is he just another greedy bastard? Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out? We do not know the inside out of what objectives the coates have set NJ. However when they publicly come out last season and state top 6 and this season that promotion is the main aim, you would hope that the expectations of the manager would somewhat mirror what the owners expectations are. Pointless exercise if they both have different targets. The issue is now that clearly we are not going anywhere near promotion so already he is not capable of the achievement. At his job interview NJ would have aligned what he can do in that job to make him the best appointment for the club, yep hes sorted out the squad, however he has been very vocal in stating he wants streamlined 20 man squad that is full of players who are full of flair, youth, enthusiasm, pace and are willing to die for the club. When there is such a clear disparity between words and actions this can either be perceived as being well out of his depth and hes trying to convince himself of his ability or he is no where near fulfilling the expectations of the club. For me hes disappearing down the sink hole faster than he can find a way out.
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 20, 2019 20:05:52 GMT
Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out? We do not know the inside out of what objectives the coates have set NJ. However when they publicly come out last season and state top 6 and this season that promotion is the main aim, you would hope that the expectations of the manager would somewhat mirror what the owners expectations are. Pointless exercise if they both have different targets. The issue is now that clearly we are not going anywhere near promotion so already he is not capable of the achievement. At his job interview NJ would have aligned what he can do in that job to make him the best appointment for the club, yep hes sorted out the squad, however he has been very vocal in stating he wants streamlined 20 man squad that is full of players who are full of flair, youth, enthusiasm, pace and are willing to die for the club. When there is such a clear disparity between words and actions this can either be perceived as being well out of his depth and hes trying to convince himself of his ability or he is no where near fulfilling the expectations of the club. For me hes disappearing down the sink hole faster than he can find a way out. Makes absolutely no sense at all, except that he's most likely a cheap yes man. It's that really the answer? Ambition.?????
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 20:11:49 GMT
Under other circumstances, we probably wouldn't be expecting a win at Brentford, would we? Under any circumstances we should expect the kids to give Brentford a game really, shouldn't we? We can do that. We'll likely play well enough, but will suffer the usual lapses in concentration. As for the Brentford model. We might have picked that, but we chose not to be a selling club. We also chose a succession of managers that more or less can't stomach bringing academy players into the team, which is a poor policy, but they were supported by the same people that supported the Academy...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 20, 2019 20:15:57 GMT
Reading these posts I ask myself the same question, but for very different reasons. Do you have any knowledge of the objectives the owners have set for NJ? If not, then isn't it a bit foolish to be calling for him to be sacked every day week in week out? Would imagine winning the odd game of football would figure somewhere? Am I looking at some alternative league table?
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