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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 16, 2019 14:05:13 GMT
That was ages ago. In more recent news, the Krays have been jailed 😎 My money is on allardyce anyway. Not sure hughton is the right man myself, if Jones is removed we need a straight talking no bullshit manager that the players know they have to perform for or they're out. Allardyce, TP or pearson for me. Allardyce is a sure thing results wise in this League and comes without the previous manager baggage. In saying that if we beat Fulham there will be an overwhelming call by supporters to keep Jones on. Will there?
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Post by thevoid on Oct 16, 2019 14:11:06 GMT
That was ages ago. In more recent news, the Krays have been jailed 😎 Has TP been favourite at any point in the speculation about Jones' successor? Only in the fevered imaginations and moist loins of the Swivelled-Eyed Pulis Loons
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Post by thevoid on Oct 16, 2019 14:11:40 GMT
That was ages ago. In more recent news, the Krays have been jailed 😎 My money is on allardyce anyway. Not sure hughton is the right man myself, if Jones is removed we need a straight talking no bullshit manager that the players know they have to perform for or they're out. Allardyce, TP or pearson for me. Allardyce is a sure thing results wise in this League and comes without the previous manager baggage. In saying that if we beat Fulham there will be an overwhelming call by supporters to keep Jones on. You like your predictions don't you.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 16, 2019 14:22:52 GMT
My money is on allardyce anyway. Not sure hughton is the right man myself, if Jones is removed we need a straight talking no bullshit manager that the players know they have to perform for or they're out. Allardyce, TP or pearson for me. Allardyce is a sure thing results wise in this League and comes without the previous manager baggage. In saying that if we beat Fulham there will be an overwhelming call by supporters to keep Jones on. Will there? Course there will
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 16, 2019 17:21:10 GMT
Not sacking him during the international break is one of the most ludicrous decisions I've ever witnessed in football and one that will see us relegated. Hell have another 3 games now, itll be ok for the board if we lose to fulham but It'll be Sheffield weds and millwall again will be judged on. Anyway hasnt Scholes told us that we don't need to know and keep our noses out
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Post by march4 on Oct 16, 2019 17:22:53 GMT
I am fine thank you.
TP3 it has to be.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 16, 2019 17:23:40 GMT
That was a strange comment by Scholes, almost saying we are doing something in the background re the manager.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Oct 16, 2019 18:06:28 GMT
That was a strange comment by Scholes, almost saying we are doing something in the background re the manager. When does strictly dancing finish? Allardyce was only on about in september he has one more top project in him and was reported to be eyeing Sunderland with supposed new owners. You don't get a much bigger project than this one, promotion and establish the club. If we promise him money to spend on going up he might be interested. The only thing I have doubts over is would we be able or willing to bring in all of his staff after hiring and firing so many in the last couple of years. On the flip side though I think we will win v Fulham if we don't lose any through injury beforehand and you don't sack a manager that has just beat Swansea and Fulham back to back
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Post by christhepotter on Oct 16, 2019 19:13:40 GMT
The boards procrastination is going cost us , it will be to late to save our season soon
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 16, 2019 22:26:31 GMT
That was a strange comment by Scholes, almost saying we are doing something in the background re the manager. When does strictly dancing finish? Allardyce was only on about in september he has one more top project in him and was reported to be eyeing Sunderland with supposed new owners. You don't get a much bigger project than this one, promotion and establish the club. If we promise him money to spend on going up he might be interested. The only thing I have doubts over is would we be able or willing to bring in all of his staff after hiring and firing so many in the last couple of years. On the flip side though I think we will win v Fulham if we don't lose any through injury beforehand and you don't sack a manager that has just beat Swansea and Fulham back to back Hes not in strictly, hes currently sat most mornings on talksport
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Post by stokeykez on Oct 16, 2019 22:26:56 GMT
That was a strange comment by Scholes, almost saying we are doing something in the background re the manager. When does strictly dancing finish? Allardyce was only on about in september he has one more top project in him and was reported to be eyeing Sunderland with supposed new owners. You don't get a much bigger project than this one, promotion and establish the club. If we promise him money to spend on going up he might be interested. The only thing I have doubts over is would we be able or willing to bring in all of his staff after hiring and firing so many in the last couple of years. On the flip side though I think we will win v Fulham if we don't lose any through injury beforehand and you don't sack a manager that has just beat Swansea and Fulham back to back Hes not in strictly, hes currently sat most mornings on talksport
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 17, 2019 7:26:46 GMT
The boards procrastination is going cost us , it will be to late to save our season soon What makes you think changing the manager will save our season?
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 17, 2019 8:28:21 GMT
The boards procrastination is going cost us , it will be to late to save our season soon What makes you think changing the manager will save our season? History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 17, 2019 9:12:23 GMT
Sorry mate but I think you are way off beam. That will only happen if we get a sustained run off results starting Saturday. If it’s another false dawn then the board will have no choice but to remove him or risk the very real possibility of relegation
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Post by serpico on Oct 17, 2019 9:16:08 GMT
What makes you think changing the manager will save our season? History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. We never got the “new manager bounce” with Lambert, Rowett or jones... it doesn’t always happen.
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Post by serpico on Oct 17, 2019 9:22:10 GMT
What accounts for jones still being at the club ? ... are they showing faith in him or is he still here by default of the fact nobody halfway decent wants the job ? Seems like the latter to me. If hughton wanted the job it would be his by now, same goes for Moyes.
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 17, 2019 10:07:35 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis?
Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies.
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Post by mamasgloves on Oct 17, 2019 10:35:25 GMT
History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. We never got the “new manager bounce” with Lambert, Rowett or jones... it doesn’t always happen. Helps if the ones chosen are half capable
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Post by BuzzB on Oct 17, 2019 10:47:23 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis? Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies. Sunderland jobs gone mate
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Post by harrysburrow on Oct 17, 2019 11:29:46 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis? Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies. Sunderland jobs gone mate Just seen the Phil Parkinson thing mate - interesting?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 17, 2019 11:49:17 GMT
If that last result was another false dawn and we fail to beat fulham, who I think will be a mid table team, then he has to go, surely
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 17, 2019 12:09:22 GMT
What makes you think changing the manager will save our season? History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. In our recent case history suggests the exact opposite and in fact the statistical analysis done on the effect of changing managers shows that it makes very little difference - the important issues are the quality of the squad and the stability and wealth of the owners. Some clubs do better (like Huddersfield at the moment), some do worse and for other it makes no real difference. The idea that changing the manager will save our season is just wishful thinking and the call to change ours because it's suddenly become fashionable is even more ridiculous. So back to my original question - what makes you think changing the manager will save our season?
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Post by Goonie on Oct 17, 2019 12:10:23 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis? Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies. I imagine Hughton has one eye on Tottenham - has coached there and played there and they're struggling by their standards
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 17, 2019 12:12:29 GMT
If that last result was another false dawn and we fail to beat fulham, who I think will be a mid table team, then he has to go, surely Fulham are 7th mate 3 points off top spot. At the moment they are not a mid table team they are one of the best teams in the league. If I said we will be mid table at the end of the season you would rightly ask me what I base that opinion on. The point I'm making is if we beat or draw with Fulham that will be a decent result but it won't mean he's safe. Just like a loss won't automatically trigger a sacking, he will have the three easier games after that up to the International break (not including WBA) to prove that Swansea (and hopefully Fulham) wasn't a flash in the pan. That of course is my opinion based on bugger all other than the board's previous form.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 17, 2019 12:17:50 GMT
History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. In our recent case history suggests the exact opposite and in fact the statistical analysis done on the effect of changing managers shows that it makes very little difference - the important issues are the quality of the squad and the stability and wealth of the owners. Some clubs do better (like Huddersfield at the moment), some do worse and for other it makes no real difference. The idea that changing the manager will save our season is just wishful thinking and the call to change ours because it's suddenly become fashionable is even more ridiculous. So back to my original question - what makes you think changing the manager will save our season? We changed our manager last season and it got worse in fact it's never recovered since Nathan took over, he's like an albatross hanging around the club's neck, not changing the manager will almost certainly doom us to relegation going on the evidence we have since he came here.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 17, 2019 12:25:48 GMT
What makes you think changing the manager will save our season? History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. But the statistics show that isn't the case. Google it. It doesn't mean that swapping him for an excellent manager wouldn't work. It's just that not many, if any, of that club are going to come to Stoke. Swapping him for one of the also rans who would come, a la Lambert, would simply be jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 17, 2019 12:53:26 GMT
History suggests that it will. Look at Huddersfield, back to back wins now for them with only 3 played -still waiting for ours 9 months later. In our recent case history suggests the exact opposite and in fact the statistical analysis done on the effect of changing managers shows that it makes very little difference - the important issues are the quality of the squad and the stability and wealth of the owners. Some clubs do better (like Huddersfield at the moment), some do worse and for other it makes no real difference. The idea that changing the manager will save our season is just wishful thinking and the call to change ours because it's suddenly become fashionable is even more ridiculous. So back to my original question - what makes you think changing the manager will save our season? I fully endorse your post. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. There is a new manager "bounce" phenomenon, but it is usually short lived. I still think Jones could do for us what he did at Luton, but it is going to take him longer and at least 2 more transfer windows. He and the new transfers manager need a lot more time to sort things out. I keep pointing out that it took Wolves and Norwich's manager 2 years to turn things round
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Post by rawli on Oct 17, 2019 12:59:23 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis? Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies. I imagine Hughton has one eye on Tottenham - has coached there and played there and they're struggling by their standards Not all clubs look to the past to appoint their new managers. The thought of a man who nearly relegated Brighton managing a champions league team is laughable.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 17, 2019 14:27:40 GMT
Moyes waiting for Everton, Big Sam going to Sunderland, Hughton doesn't want the job? It kind of looks like 3 choices to me: 1. Stick with Jones? 2. Sack Jones and try another 'promising' lower league or Karanka type? 3. Pulis? Christmas has indeed come early for us Stokies. I imagine Hughton has one eye on Tottenham - has coached there and played there and they're struggling by their standards There's more chance of me riding Charlize Theron bear-back around the Stoke one way system than Chris Hughton getting the Spurs job.
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Post by Goonie on Oct 17, 2019 14:31:54 GMT
I imagine Hughton has one eye on Tottenham - has coached there and played there and they're struggling by their standards Not all clubs look to the past to appoint their new managers. The thought of a man who nearly relegated Brighton managing a champions league team is laughable. Too true but is there a whiff of Jones about him - I'm assuming he thinks hes good enough - speculation all the way! (i.e delusional in his own ability!)
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