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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 11, 2019 17:25:30 GMT
Quite superstitious me, can you please stay away/not watch for a few more games and see if we keep winning Desperate times and all that! I've actually considered that myself! Maybe I'm jinxed or something! You could be NJ's secret weapon! voodoo shit.
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Post by march4 on Oct 11, 2019 18:05:46 GMT
You cannot compare Wilder's start at United to Stoke's. Yes they only got 1 point from the first 4 games, but after that started winning every game in sight. So he stalled for 4 games compared to Jones' 30!!!....hardly comparable! The other reason you can't compare these 2 is that Wilder was a hugely popular appointment at United being a well known fanatical Blades fan and ex player, familiar to people in the area and very highly respected here even before he got the job. I work in Sheffield and Wilder could have probably lost the first 10 games and still been given full support. His record at United is phenomenal. I hear where you are coming from, but for me Jones record last season counts for nothing. He inherited a very mixed up squad with idiots like Berahino. He tried numerous things last season: getting rid of older players (Crouch, Martina, Adam, Pieters (a mistake IMO)), he tried his diamond - didn't work, tried players in different positions - didn't work, tried different systems, gave all the players a chance to show what they could do (not enough for Bojan IMO), gave young players their chance (notably Edwards). All these decisions cost us points but he was thoroughly examining all the options and deciding who to keep, who to loan, who to sell (still trying!). Everything he did was geared to this season not trying to win matches last season. This season is a different story. He has still got unwanted players and has clearly not been allowed to spend big like Rowett and had to pick up players where he can. The players have let him down badly with terrible finishing, stupid defensive errors, and no one capable of performing at the base of the diamond till Badou came into the side, a player Jones said he wanted to keep, but loads on Oatcake said should never play for the club again. It can be a slow process turning things around, depending on circumstances, Wilder did brilliantly at SheffUtd, but it took Norwich and Wolves' managers 2 years to turn things round. I think Jones needs a couple more transfer windows before he has got things sorted; there are still some players to remove from the squad, he needs to get the wage bill down further before signing some quality players. Any seasoned manager like Hughton would take one look at our very large expensive mixed bag of a squad and say no thanks. I think any decent manager would look at our squad and think getting this lit to the Prem will be one of the easiest things I’ve ever done. All they need is a proper leader.
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 11, 2019 18:18:24 GMT
David Wagner would of been my choice if there was to be a manager vacancy at stoke shame he's at schalke.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 11, 2019 18:21:31 GMT
Whether posters are for keeping NJ or sacking him lets all try and agree on one thing that 5 wins in 35 games is the responsibilty of the current manager.
Not the fault of Rowett, not the fault of Hughes, not the fault of Peter Coates, not even the fault of Tony Scholes, it's the decisions taken by Nathan himself.
If we keep lookng back and blaming others we will be in danger of further serious decline, in my opinion.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 12, 2019 9:00:20 GMT
With on paper four really tough matches coming up what and how will the Stoke board deal with the situation. You would assume Jones is still on dodgy ground, but are we into a situation where it is looked at match by match, or will he have been given a certain number of games?. At present there is a lot of managerial change and surely we don't want to potentially leave ourselves with limited options?
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Post by georgieboy52 on Oct 12, 2019 9:26:32 GMT
With on paper four really tough matches coming up what and how will the Stoke board deal with the situation. You would assume Jones is still on dodgy ground, but are we into a situation where it is looked at match by match, or will he have been given a certain number of games?. At present there is a lot of managerial change and surely we don't want to potentially leave ourselves with limited options? Personally I'd say it's match by match now. Lose bad next up and he's gone.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 12, 2019 9:54:11 GMT
The board will drag it out for as long as possible hoping that the tide has or will turn. Personally i think we are heading for a Hughes soap opera again were things are left to late & nobody fancies the job. Other clubs are making moves now giving a new manager time to turn things around.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 12, 2019 11:39:53 GMT
The board will drag it out for as long as possible hoping that the tide has or will turn. Personally i think we are heading for a Hughes soap opera again were things are left to late & nobody fancies the job. Other clubs are making moves now giving a new manager time to turn things around. Personally I reckon that he's still here because the scenario you are proposing may happen already has happened
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 11:47:59 GMT
PotterLee on Twitter claims we've been turned down by Chris Hughton and Sam Allardyce.
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 12, 2019 11:57:18 GMT
With on paper four really tough matches coming up what and how will the Stoke board deal with the situation. You would assume Jones is still on dodgy ground, but are we into a situation where it is looked at match by match, or will he have been given a certain number of games?. At present there is a lot of managerial change and surely we don't want to potentially leave ourselves with limited options? Personally I'd say it's match by match now. Lose bad next up and he's gone. It should be match by match....we are too far adrift to guarantee him anything more until we are at least out of the bottom three. Also, the intense pressure he was under right up to the Swansea game may have actually contributed to his selection and end result,i.e. although it’s not nice to see anyone under that much stress...perhaps it brings out the best in him or at least make him focus more?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 12:00:25 GMT
PotterLee on Twitter claims we've been turned down by Chris Hughton and Sam Allardyce. He talks absolute bollocks, called him out on it this summer so he pm'd me some super top secret information which would prove he is itk, it was absolute bollocks too. Chopper is the only person with any credibility and even he's not as hot as he was.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 12, 2019 12:02:23 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 12, 2019 12:03:41 GMT
PotterLee on Twitter claims we've been turned down by Chris Hughton and Sam Allardyce. Wonder if he's referring to post-Swansea, or pre-Swansea?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 12, 2019 12:17:44 GMT
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 12, 2019 12:41:08 GMT
If we can't get Moyes then, and I don't think we can, we may as well stick in the short term.
Although I'd be really interested in hearing why Chris Hughton can't be persuaded to join.
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Post by Davef on Oct 12, 2019 12:50:09 GMT
Sam Allardyce?!
Who believes this tripe?
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 12, 2019 12:53:31 GMT
I was under the impression Moyes was the choice of Scholes & Coates Snr so you would imagine on the weight of numbers he would be the number 1 choice?
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 12, 2019 12:56:30 GMT
Sam Allardyce?! Who believes this tripe? No idea if it's true - but wouldn't say it's outlandish. Coates has always been a big admirer - and as recently as this week, he's said he's open to a return to management. talksport.com/football/efl/612833/sam-allardyce-return-sunderland-jack-ross-sacked/“The longer it goes the less chance there might be that somebody wants you,” he continued. “But whoever wants to give it a go and whoever is interested in me, we could have a conversation and if I have the right feel for the club that wants to go in the right direction then I would be interested again. “You can never leave it alone if somebody comes in for you.”
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 12, 2019 12:59:37 GMT
The thing is we don't even know we are looking to make a change do we, you would think the international break was the ideal time, but then when you think is it?. Lots of players away on international duty. The week after Fulham we play mid week, not ideal for a change. When is a good time??
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Post by FrankButcher on Oct 12, 2019 13:04:27 GMT
Nixon reckoned we hadn't sounded anybody else out since last weekend so I'm inclined to call bullshit on this Lee fellow.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 12, 2019 14:13:13 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 12, 2019 14:17:15 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 12, 2019 14:45:33 GMT
Sam Allardyce?! Who believes this tripe? Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't believe the tripe.
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Post by Sfance on Oct 12, 2019 14:46:32 GMT
There’s no law that says board membership is a lifetime appointment. No-one any good is going to come when they know they have to deal with Scholes. Coates needs to take him aside and say, “Tony, it’s been great working with you .... but it’s time to move on.” As long as Scholes is there, so is Jones.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 12, 2019 15:33:28 GMT
Sam Allardyce?! Who believes this tripe? Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't believe the tripe. SA was the obvious choice 4 and 3 managers ago and a £10m a year Including back room staff would have saved us a fortune and of course would have the gravitas to say 1 stuff your process where the sun don’t shine and put your Mates who watch football with it or i am off .leave the football stuff to me and go and play with with your pencils . For that reason he’d not come then due to our complete misunderstanding of the route to sustainable and vested interest and he won’t come now even if hell freezes over
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Post by Davef on Oct 12, 2019 15:42:00 GMT
Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't believe the tripe. SA was the obvious choice 4 and 3 managers ago and a £10m a year Including back room staff would have saved us a fortune and of course would have the gravitas to say 1 stuff your process where the sun don’t shine and put your Mates who watch football with it or i am off .leave the football stuff to me and go and play with with your pencils . For that reason he’d not come then due to our complete misunderstanding of the route to sustainable and vested interest and he won’t come now even if hell freezes over Around about the time it was going tits up for Hughes, Allardyce was at Crystal Palace. When we sacked Hughes he was Everton's manager. There was zero chance of him becoming our manager.
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Post by march4 on Oct 12, 2019 16:56:26 GMT
I would imagine the phone call to Big Sam went something like this.
Ring ring. Ring ring
‘Hello’
‘Hello is that Sam Allardyce? It’s John Coates here’
Click. Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Post by Pedropotter on Oct 12, 2019 17:00:14 GMT
Sam Allardyce?! Who believes this tripe? Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't believe the tripe. More like 'dont believe the tripe'!
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 12, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
The board will drag it out for as long as possible hoping that the tide has or will turn. Personally i think we are heading for a Hughes soap opera again were things are left to late & nobody fancies the job. Other clubs are making moves now giving a new manager time to turn things around. Didn't we get to the point of nobody fancying the job some weeks ago?
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Post by samwidge on Oct 12, 2019 20:23:53 GMT
Sam Allardyce?! Who believes this tripe? Don't Don't Don't Don't Don't believe the tripe. Wooaaahhhhaaaa
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