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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 21:08:00 GMT
Sorry but you don’t get £50m in the championship. Most clubs had similar budgets to us this year and make use of the loan market. My original point is how can he now say they are bad apples and turn on the players. Most which he bought. Now people are saying “he didn’t want those players” when there’s no evidence to suggest that whatsoever. Most were brought in on the first day - first choices not back up choices. If what you say is true then why have we not got the playing staff to implement the diamond formation the system he plays, so why would he buy players that don’t fit his way of playing He clearly thought he had when he hasn’t at all. Hence spending all preseason on it which appears now to have been a complete and utter waste of time. It feels a lot like it did with Rowett when you started to wonder did we need all of those players or is this just his ego wanting his team. I get every manager want “their team” to an extent but I don’t know in what world you get to bring in a whole new team just to fit your system anyway. It’s crazy when we already had an oversized squad. Surely any other Championship team would have laughed in his face. He’s got Ince, Verlinden, Powell and Duffy all competing for one spot - No.10 they don’t fit anywhere else. It’s absolute crazy. Why not play a system which fits in more than one of your best players? Powell didn’t turn down prem offers to sit on our bench. Duffy didn’t come to sit on our bench instead of Sheff Utd. Of course some healthy completion is good but this doesn’t make any sense. I don’t doubt he got fuck all help from our recruitment team but these are players he wanted. He promised that he’d only bring players in that were better than what we had. I don’t think any of them are but he’s happily brought them in and got rid of Pieters and Bojan and Bruno is sat in the bomb squad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 21:12:33 GMT
I’ve never started a thread before but I keep seeing our players referred to as bad apples and, Mr Percy’s post about us supporting “disruptive players” really wound me up. So I wanted to write a post in their defence. When we got relegated “bad apples” was the narrative and then it was true. We brought in the wrong players - Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino, Jess and Choupo - and they badly let us down. But most of our relegated squad weren’t bad eggs - Butland, Shawcross, Bruno, Pieters, Allen, Diouf, Bauer, Charlie etc - these were not bad eggs. Last year it looked very much like it was the new signings letting us down - Ince, Woods, Clucas, Afobe (I’m not including McClean because he always at least tries). Yet Rowett laid into he likes of Shawcross and Bojan who (although the signing for Bojan may have been disruptive) are not disruptive. Now we have 11 new players and the manager himself is basically alluding to bad apples which, from where I’m sat, looks exactly like Rowett in throwing players under the bus. Some of them may just not be good enough but they came out trying this season although they look disheartened. So when does the narrative end? When do we start showing our players some loyalty and saying enough is enough. In my view, if there is discontent you can only look to the way some have been treated. Bauer, for example, was given a new contract without knowing the new manager wants him. Tonight the rumours are of a falling out between Davies and Jones because Davies was promised the No.1 shirt. Bojan, whatever you may think of him, seemed to be promised a role last year and never really got much of a chance (see his post Brentford interview before telling me this didn’t happen). Does no-one else find the way players are treated by our club a bit worrying? I dont think we are any different in that respect to any other club. We are a club who actually support our players when they get lengthy injuries, we renew their contracts and even been known to rehab them until they find another club if they're surplus to us as playing staff. Affelay, Ireland, delap for starters, delap broke his leg during a loan spell and we still signed him. Hard to see bauer crying about a 5 year deal, that money is his given to him by the club, not many will complain about a contract extension. It's about time the players started looking after the club the ungrateful bastards Your attitude is shocking towards our players but you’ll back a manager who has been here 5 minutes? The examples you’ve sighted are years ago! Long gone mate. We aren’t that club anymore. Your example of Bauer is more a reflection on you than him. He was clearly bothered about it. It was an absolute joke. Are you going to tell me Jones promising Davies Butland would leave and he’ll have the No.1 spot isn’t a cause for Davies to be upset? It’s all a joke but you’re one of those that just says they are being paid loads so it’s ok to lie to people and treat them with a complete lack of respect.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 21:32:27 GMT
I dont think we are any different in that respect to any other club. We are a club who actually support our players when they get lengthy injuries, we renew their contracts and even been known to rehab them until they find another club if they're surplus to us as playing staff. Affelay, Ireland, delap for starters, delap broke his leg during a loan spell and we still signed him. Hard to see bauer crying about a 5 year deal, that money is his given to him by the club, not many will complain about a contract extension. It's about time the players started looking after the club the ungrateful bastards Your attitude is shocking towards our players but you’ll back a manager who has been here 5 minutes? The examples you’ve sighted are years ago! Long gone mate. We aren’t that club anymore. Your example of Bauer is more a reflection on you than him. He was clearly bothered about it. It was an absolute joke. Are you going to tell me Jones promising Davies Butland would leave and he’ll have the No.1 spot isn’t a cause for Davies to be upset? It’s all a joke but you’re one of those that just says they are being paid loads so it’s ok to lie to people and treat them with a complete lack of respect. They are employees of the club, not the other way around. mark hughes showed the players respect with a relaxed training atmosphere and they royaly took the piss, it's documented by 'real' recent ex pros of scfc, the place become a holiday camp. Infact we have been so soft with players they continue to take the piss, wimmer, badou, imbula, berahino. All believe if they spit their dummy out they dont have to stay at stoke because stoke will bow to them and send them out on loan. How many other clubs do that? By being soft with one you're opening the door to the rest of them to take the piss. Dont make it sound like bauer had a gun to his head upon signing the contract, he knew fine well a manager wasnt in place
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 21:37:40 GMT
Your attitude is shocking towards our players but you’ll back a manager who has been here 5 minutes? The examples you’ve sighted are years ago! Long gone mate. We aren’t that club anymore. Your example of Bauer is more a reflection on you than him. He was clearly bothered about it. It was an absolute joke. Are you going to tell me Jones promising Davies Butland would leave and he’ll have the No.1 spot isn’t a cause for Davies to be upset? It’s all a joke but you’re one of those that just says they are being paid loads so it’s ok to lie to people and treat them with a complete lack of respect. They are employees of the club, not the other way around. mark hughes showed the players respect and they royaly took the piss, it's documented by 'real' recent ex pros of scfc, the place become a holiday camp. Infact we have been so soft with players they continue to take the oiss, wimmer, badou, imbula, berahino. Dont make it sound like bauer had a gun to his head upon signing the contract, he knew fine well a manager wasnt in place All the ex players have said Mark Hughes oversaw an incredible level of indiscipline. He also bought the twats that the started all of this and all our other players are now tarnished with the same brush! Yeah what happened to Bauer was his fault. Let’s criticise him for wanting to stay and help us turn this around. It was an appalling bad decision whatever your views on Bauer are. I literally can’t believe you just come out week after week throwing our players under the bus. It simply can’t be the 20 odd players we currently have who have had decent and successful careers for the most part suddenly not bothering is it. It simply can’t be the case that the 30/40 odd we’d had in the last three years are all shit, not trying and have terrible attitudes.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 21:48:11 GMT
They are employees of the club, not the other way around. mark hughes showed the players respect and they royaly took the piss, it's documented by 'real' recent ex pros of scfc, the place become a holiday camp. Infact we have been so soft with players they continue to take the oiss, wimmer, badou, imbula, berahino. Dont make it sound like bauer had a gun to his head upon signing the contract, he knew fine well a manager wasnt in place All the ex players have said Mark Hughes oversaw an incredible level of indiscipline. He also bought the twats that the started all of this and all our other players are now tarnished with the same brush! Yeah what happened to Bauer was his fault. Let’s criticise him for wanting to stay and help us turn this around. It was an appalling bad decision whatever your views on Bauer are. I literally can’t believe you just come out week after week throwing our players under the bus. It simply can’t be the 20 odd players we currently have who have had decent and successful careers for the most part suddenly not bothering is it. It simply can’t be the case that the 30/40 odd we’d had in the last three years are all shit, not trying and have terrible attitudes. The 30 or 40 odd we have had in the past few years have been put together by a bunch of clueless idiots, they don't contain the strengths and mix a team needs. They also dont meet the commitment levels a technically inferior pulis team had so in that case.. what are they offering? It's too early to judge jones yet after making 10 signings, they need time to gel and thats not an excuse, it's a fact that so many changes can disrupt the start of a clubs season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 21:52:06 GMT
All the ex players have said Mark Hughes oversaw an incredible level of indiscipline. He also bought the twats that the started all of this and all our other players are now tarnished with the same brush! Yeah what happened to Bauer was his fault. Let’s criticise him for wanting to stay and help us turn this around. It was an appalling bad decision whatever your views on Bauer are. I literally can’t believe you just come out week after week throwing our players under the bus. It simply can’t be the 20 odd players we currently have who have had decent and successful careers for the most part suddenly not bothering is it. It simply can’t be the case that the 30/40 odd we’d had in the last three years are all shit, not trying and have terrible attitudes. The 30 or 40 odd we have had in the past few years have been put together by a bunch of clueless idiots, they don't contain the strengths and mix a team needs. They also dont meet the commitment levels a technically inferior pulis team had so in that case.. what are they offering? It's too early to judge jones yet after making 10 signings, they need time to gel and thats not an excuse, it's a fact that so many changes can disrupt the start of a clubs season Exactly! It’s not the players themselves fault is it. And who has tried to play to their strengths and not shoehorn them into their system. Hughes did it, Rowett had £50m and still didn’t manage to procure players to fit his system - bought Afobe to be a lone striker, Jones is now doing exactly the same thing. And people are still blaming the players and not questioning why we are going down this road again!
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 21:57:42 GMT
The 30 or 40 odd we have had in the past few years have been put together by a bunch of clueless idiots, they don't contain the strengths and mix a team needs. They also dont meet the commitment levels a technically inferior pulis team had so in that case.. what are they offering? It's too early to judge jones yet after making 10 signings, they need time to gel and thats not an excuse, it's a fact that so many changes can disrupt the start of a clubs season Exactly! It’s not the players themselves fault is it. And who has tried to play to their strengths and not shoehorn them into their system. Hughes did it, Rowett had £50m and still didn’t manage to procure players to fit his system - bought Afobe to be a lone striker, Jones is now doing exactly the same thing. And people are still blaming the players and not questioning why we are going down this road again! We're not great at recruitment but the teams going out there are should be more than capable of picking up points if not an astronomical amount of them. They collapse like a pack of cards though, no will to win, no competitive edge, no balls. Gutless fucking wonders they are. Problem is the manager can't tell it to them like that though because they will try even less and the manager pays the price not them
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 22:02:26 GMT
Exactly! It’s not the players themselves fault is it. And who has tried to play to their strengths and not shoehorn them into their system. Hughes did it, Rowett had £50m and still didn’t manage to procure players to fit his system - bought Afobe to be a lone striker, Jones is now doing exactly the same thing. And people are still blaming the players and not questioning why we are going down this road again! We're not great at recruitment but the teams going out there are should be more than capable of picking up points if not an astronomical amount of them. They collapse like a pack of cards though, no will to win, no competitive edge, no balls. Gutless fucking wonders they are. No they didn’t. They didn’t at Leeds, QPR, Charlton or Derby. You could perhaps say they did at Preston but to me they look like no-one has organised them. They don’t understand this system and completely bewildered. It’s not been at all like last season when you could point at several and say they’ve not tried.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 22:04:52 GMT
We're not great at recruitment but the teams going out there are should be more than capable of picking up points if not an astronomical amount of them. They collapse like a pack of cards though, no will to win, no competitive edge, no balls. Gutless fucking wonders they are. No they didn’t. They didn’t at Leeds, QPR, Charlton or Derby. You could perhaps say they did at Preston but to me they look like no-one has organised them. They don’t understand this system and completely bewildered. It’s not been at all like last season when you could point at several and say they’ve not tried. So we're saying that professional footballers don't understand a 442 diamond? The defensive & goalkeeping displays have been nothing short of gutless displays
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 22:09:33 GMT
No they didn’t. They didn’t at Leeds, QPR, Charlton or Derby. You could perhaps say they did at Preston but to me they look like no-one has organised them. They don’t understand this system and completely bewildered. It’s not been at all like last season when you could point at several and say they’ve not tried. So we're saying that professional footballers don't understand a 442 diamond? The defensive & goalkeeping displays have been nothing short of gutless displays have been I’m saying not all players are suited to it which you admitted yourself. Then he’s changed it to go 3 at the back then he’s made 6 changes and you wonder why no-one looks like they know they are doing. Those performances you mention have been bad but not gutless. They weren’t just not bothering. Jacks clearly having a mare. I don’t think Danny Batth has suddenly gone shit but he’s an old school CB and so why is he playing out from the back so much? It’s not his game but it’s not a case of him just not trying. He’s clearly fucking trying. Allen doesn’t stop trying - that’s his problem. But you’re on here calling them all out as gutless which I imagine is the same view you’ve had for 3 years without bothering to try to think a bit further than that. At least we’ve narrowed it down from about 30/40 players you’re blaming to 3 or 4.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 22:11:53 GMT
So we're saying that professional footballers don't understand a 442 diamond? The defensive & goalkeeping displays have been nothing short of gutless displays have been I’m saying not all players are suited to it which you admitted yourself. Then he’s changed it to go 3 at the back then he’s made 6 changes and you wonder why no-one looks like they know they are doing. Those performances you mention have been bad but not gutless. They weren’t just not bothering. Jacks clearly having a mare. I don’t think Danny Batth has suddenly gone shit but he’s an old school CB and so why is he playing out from the back so much? It’s not his game but it’s not a case of him just not trying. He’s clearly fucking trying. Allen doesn’t stop trying - that’s his problem. But you’re on here calling them all out as gutless which I imagine is the same view you’ve had for 3 years without bothering to try to think a bit further than that. At least we’ve narrowed it down from about 30/40 players you’re blaming to 3 or 4. , these are personal mistakes costing us, nothing to do with jones, nothing to do with recruitment, they need to grow a pair.. frightened to death of playing for stoke.... and they call themselves 'pros' , they're a fucking embarrassment. Jones cant tell them how it really is though because he might lose the players and then he loses his job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 22:13:38 GMT
I’m saying not all players are suited to it which you admitted yourself. Then he’s changed it to go 3 at the back then he’s made 6 changes and you wonder why no-one looks like they know they are doing. Those performances you mention have been bad but not gutless. They weren’t just not bothering. Jacks clearly having a mare. I don’t think Danny Batth has suddenly gone shit but he’s an old school CB and so why is he playing out from the back so much? It’s not his game but it’s not a case of him just not trying. He’s clearly fucking trying. Allen doesn’t stop trying - that’s his problem. But you’re on here calling them all out as gutless which I imagine is the same view you’ve had for 3 years without bothering to try to think a bit further than that. At least we’ve narrowed it down from about 30/40 players you’re blaming to 3 or 4. , these are personal mistakes costing us, nothing to do with jones, nothing to do with recruitment, they need to grow a pair.. frightened to death of playing for stoke.... and they call themselves 'pros' , they're a fucking embarrassment. Jones cant tell them how it really is though because he might lose the players and then he loses his job. Honestly. I thought you couldn’t surpass your deluded insistence on the reinvention of Berahino but you’ve surpassed yourself.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 22:15:01 GMT
, these are personal mistakes costing us, nothing to do with jones, nothing to do with recruitment, they need to grow a pair.. frightened to death of playing for stoke.... and they call themselves 'pros' , they're a fucking embarrassment. Jones cant tell them how it really is though because he might lose the players and then he loses his job. Honestly. I thought you couldn’t surpass your deluded insistence on the reinvention of Berahino but you’ve surpassed yourself. they are playing with fear.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 22:16:31 GMT
Honestly. I thought you couldn’t surpass your deluded insistence on the reinvention of Berahino but you’ve surpassed yourself. they are playing with fear. Yes fear of whatever the manager has decided to spring on them that day because it’s absolutely shite.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 26, 2019 22:19:08 GMT
they are playing with fear. Yes fear of whatever the manager has decided to spring on them that day because it’s absolutely shite. Bullshit, they're scared to death of conceding goals, making mistakes and losing games because they know how long we have been shit for, they're aware the fans are out of patience. They're aware of it and it puts extra pressure on them and some just cant deal with it, nothing to do with Jones. This cloud has been long in the making, jones is getting the full storm. Look at joe Allen's face when we're losing, it's a picture that writes a thousand words, like a deer in the headlights
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 26, 2019 22:19:36 GMT
I’ve never started a thread before but I keep seeing our players referred to as bad apples and, Mr Percy’s post about us supporting “disruptive players” really wound me up. So I wanted to write a post in their defence. When we got relegated “bad apples” was the narrative and then it was true. We brought in the wrong players - Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino, Jess and Choupo - and they badly let us down. But most of our relegated squad weren’t bad eggs - Butland, Shawcross, Bruno, Pieters, Allen, Diouf, Bauer, Charlie etc - these were not bad eggs. Last year it looked very much like it was the new signings letting us down - Ince, Woods, Clucas, Afobe (I’m not including McClean because he always at least tries). Yet Rowett laid into he likes of Shawcross and Bojan who (although the signing for Bojan may have been disruptive) are not disruptive. Now we have 11 new players and the manager himself is basically alluding to bad apples which, from where I’m sat, looks exactly like Rowett in throwing players under the bus. Some of them may just not be good enough but they came out trying this season although they look disheartened. So when does the narrative end? When do we start showing our players some loyalty and saying enough is enough. In my view, if there is discontent you can only look to the way some have been treated. Bauer, for example, was given a new contract without knowing the new manager wants him. Tonight the rumours are of a falling out between Davies and Jones because Davies was promised the No.1 shirt. Bojan, whatever you may think of him, seemed to be promised a role last year and never really got much of a chance (see his post Brentford interview before telling me this didn’t happen). Does no-one else find the way players are treated by our club a bit worrying? Im sorry but we need a Pulis. If you arent in for the cause you can fuck off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 22:25:03 GMT
I’ve never started a thread before but I keep seeing our players referred to as bad apples and, Mr Percy’s post about us supporting “disruptive players” really wound me up. So I wanted to write a post in their defence. When we got relegated “bad apples” was the narrative and then it was true. We brought in the wrong players - Wimmer, Imbula, Berahino, Jess and Choupo - and they badly let us down. But most of our relegated squad weren’t bad eggs - Butland, Shawcross, Bruno, Pieters, Allen, Diouf, Bauer, Charlie etc - these were not bad eggs. Last year it looked very much like it was the new signings letting us down - Ince, Woods, Clucas, Afobe (I’m not including McClean because he always at least tries). Yet Rowett laid into he likes of Shawcross and Bojan who (although the signing for Bojan may have been disruptive) are not disruptive. Now we have 11 new players and the manager himself is basically alluding to bad apples which, from where I’m sat, looks exactly like Rowett in throwing players under the bus. Some of them may just not be good enough but they came out trying this season although they look disheartened. So when does the narrative end? When do we start showing our players some loyalty and saying enough is enough. In my view, if there is discontent you can only look to the way some have been treated. Bauer, for example, was given a new contract without knowing the new manager wants him. Tonight the rumours are of a falling out between Davies and Jones because Davies was promised the No.1 shirt. Bojan, whatever you may think of him, seemed to be promised a role last year and never really got much of a chance (see his post Brentford interview before telling me this didn’t happen). Does no-one else find the way players are treated by our club a bit worrying? Im sorry but we need a Pulis. If you arent in for the cause you can fuck off Did you even bother to read my post or just the first line? If you’re honestly telling me 30/40 players “aren’t in the for cause” then I don’t really know what to say.
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 27, 2019 12:20:05 GMT
The squad is made up of players who don't want to be here Couldn't give a sh#t about NJs tactical analysis and don't even know who he is. This is not going to work. Who doesn’t want to be here?! He bought 11 players! Do you include them? tbh , quite a few of them , are hiding from the ball
At least one ( Jordan Cousins ) is here , because he will go to whoever will have him , because hes rubbish and knows he is rubbish
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