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Post by spitthedog on Jan 15, 2021 10:29:32 GMT
its all speculation, maybe Verlinden doesn't want to be here, maybe he does...no idea! Agreed but i feel forced to be defensive over MON's non use of him as people like Bayern are fucking obsessed with the kid. I still remember when they were going sick over fucking Cuvelier who ended up being a total dud as well... sure, my point is, no-one has any idea what goes on training. All this "I'd play him" stuff is silly really. How can anyone make these judgements without working with players daily, or knowing how they apply themselves in training, or whatever else they get up to at their workplace.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 15, 2021 10:55:58 GMT
Would be really interested to know what's actually gone on here.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 15, 2021 12:52:51 GMT
Agreed but i feel forced to be defensive over MON's non use of him as people like Bayern are fucking obsessed with the kid. I still remember when they were going sick over fucking Cuvelier who ended up being a total dud as well... sure, my point is, no-one has any idea what goes on training. All this "I'd play him" stuff is silly really. How can anyone make these judgements without working with players daily, or knowing how they apply themselves in training, or whatever else they get up to at their workplace. Those that say it think they are better managers than MoN. If Verlinden was playing and we had the same/results and performances they'd find someone else to champion. Ignore them is the best way. When you see stuff like N'Goy is the best dribbler they have ever seen then you know they're either taking the piss or on another planet.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 15, 2021 13:01:46 GMT
I have not much faith in who this manager thinks is good. Does he think Smith is good ? Thompson, Chester, Brown. Vokes, etc etc. What little I have seen of Verlinden certainly impressed me. No faith in a manager who turned around a team sinking faster than the Titanic. And within 12 months has virtually the same squad on the verge of the top 6. You don’t demand much do you?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 15, 2021 13:16:45 GMT
Maybe we will see Thibaud make the bench tomorrow now that McLean has been ruled out
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 15, 2021 13:19:32 GMT
If he doesn't he will have little future at the club.
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 13:58:59 GMT
36 pages on a player who hasn’t actually done owt 😂 🤣
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Post by Veritas on Jan 15, 2021 15:14:26 GMT
I have not much faith in who this manager thinks is good. Does he think Smith is good ? Thompson, Chester, Brown. Vokes, etc etc. What little I have seen of Verlinden certainly impressed me. The key point is the little you have seen of him in comparison to the manager seeing him day in day out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 18:31:33 GMT
Would be really interested to know what's actually gone on here. We have zero chance of knowing exactly what is and what isn't, unless one or both speak about it in detail. MON does seem to like to shame his younger players in the press, but some will say, that it's a manner worked well for some of them. Others will doubt it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 18:33:55 GMT
If he doesn't he will have little future at the club. People have been saying those exact words for several years now, but the last couple of months especially, and yet scfc hasn't at any point come out and said that he will have little future at the club. So what do you make of that.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 15, 2021 19:06:52 GMT
#deployngoy
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Post by independent on Jan 15, 2021 19:07:28 GMT
Would be really interested to know what's actually gone on here. We have zero chance of knowing exactly what is and what isn't, unless one or both speak about it in detail. MON does seem to like to shame his younger players in the press, but some will say, that it's a manner worked well for some of them. Others will doubt it. I've never heard him criticize or shame any individual. I did hear him say that the young players had to do more if they wished to be selected for the first team.It wouldn't seem to gel with his remarks that that any deal has to suit the player who's leaving. He always seems to me to have the welfare of all his players, injured or not, at the forefront of his thoughts and thinks of their futures as well as what is good for the club.
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Post by independent on Jan 15, 2021 19:20:53 GMT
I'm so sick of hearing about Verlinden being the Messiah we need that I almost wish that he'd get a run. The only time I saw him play he carried the ball down our left wing until he was confronted by an opponent. He then turned around to face our own goal and then passed the ball back. I doubt that he had been instructed not to take on a defender. Anyway, the jury is still out, but I think MON is a very good judge of a footballer and I don't think MON would ever select any player on anything other than ability. You may remember before the Forest game last season he said he wasn't going to give anyone a run just for the sake of it, even tho' we were safe at the time.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 15, 2021 19:30:22 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 15, 2021 19:48:18 GMT
At the moment I think Thibaud falls into the category of being "a great player, when he isn't playing", in that many on here are raving about him yet he has done very little, on the pitch, to justify this. It's like saying, get Ince on as he's so much better than Brown, yet when Ince has been on the pitch reality kicks in and most people want rid of him. The grass is NOT always greener I'm afraid. Verlinden may be a real talent, but he seems to have managed, very successfully, to hide that from a number of managers over quite a long period of time (injuries not withstanding). I really want him to do well at this club, but have not seen anything from him to convince me that he will. Some will tell us how he has been "tearing it up" at U23 level (as N'Goy used to do) but the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it. The latest signings are an indication that Verlinden won't be in the 1st team anytime soon, and probably won't be at the club much longer. If he goes on to bigger and better things I will be happy for, and sad and annoyed (and surprised) that SCFC missed out. N'Goy keeps being mentioned on here as doing well...he is playing in a very mediocre league, he certainly has NOT gone on to bigger and better things. It's a shame for him, but a vindication of the club. Time will tell It might apply to you, and several others on here, that you've never bothered to go and watch him in games or you can't remember the 13 times he played for us, mostly cameos. Others have actually gone over to Clayton Wood or have turned on their connection to watch the academy online and have seen for ourselves just how good he sometimes is."the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it". Then it's very strange that Bursik, Collins, Souttar, Tymon, Campbell all came out of the same Academy and are playing for the Championship team which many are pinning their hopes on. Verlinden was part of that very same group, and that fact alone suggests that if he has what it takes then he'll bridge that gulf more easily. I don't think he has hidden anything from his managers. Hughes, Jones, and, yes, O'Neill have all spoken highly of him and they have played him, which you'd think they did for a reason. I just think that they all wanted to "ease him in" but then injuries happened, and those injuries held him back, with the current manager at first being overprotective of him, not realising that Thibo has been waiting to play properly for about four years now. I will admit that I've only ever watched him live in first team games, including pre season at Lincoln. As I stated, what he does at u23 level is only relevant if he can convert it against better opposition. Your point about Tymon? First teamer at Hull when we signed him, hardly an academy product, whilst Bursik got lots of loan experience, as did Souttar. Collins is the closest we have to a truly "home grown" player, even Tyrese would point to Man City as the place he got his grounding. I want Thibaud to succeed, I just don't get the feeling that he will, and I base that on seeing him play and his on field attitude. Hope he proves me wrong
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Post by deadwait on Jan 15, 2021 20:03:56 GMT
How different we all see things regarding our players. The little I have seen of Verlinden, he can certainly beat his full back effortlessly, but then he wants to beat him again and again. I am sure he can learn from this but my point is how many of our current team can even come close to that ? For goodness sake give the lad a chance.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2021 22:04:39 GMT
Agreed but i feel forced to be defensive over MON's non use of him as people like Bayern are fucking obsessed with the kid. I still remember when they were going sick over fucking Cuvelier who ended up being a total dud as well... sure, my point is, no-one has any idea what goes on training. All this "I'd play him" stuff is silly really. How can anyone make these judgements without working with players daily, or knowing how they apply themselves in training, or whatever else they get up to at their workplace. They just need to look at the performances of those getting picked. It's just an opinion, I'd like to see him given a shot, I'd understand if he was getting kept out by fantastic performances from others but thats not the case.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 15, 2021 22:07:15 GMT
I'm so sick of hearing about Verlinden being the Messiah we need that I almost wish that he'd get a run. The only time I saw him play he carried the ball down our left wing until he was confronted by an opponent. He then turned around to face our own goal and then passed the ball back. I doubt that he had been instructed not to take on a defender. Anyway, the jury is still out, but I think MON is a very good judge of a footballer and I don't think MON would ever select any player on anything other than ability. You may remember before the Forest game last season he said he wasn't going to give anyone a run just for the sake of it, even tho' we were safe at the time. Pretty sure you won't have heard that once.
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 22:48:33 GMT
I'm so sick of hearing about Verlinden being the Messiah we need that I almost wish that he'd get a run. The only time I saw him play he carried the ball down our left wing until he was confronted by an opponent. He then turned around to face our own goal and then passed the ball back. I doubt that he had been instructed not to take on a defender. Anyway, the jury is still out, but I think MON is a very good judge of a footballer and I don't think MON would ever select any player on anything other than ability. You may remember before the Forest game last season he said he wasn't going to give anyone a run just for the sake of it, even tho' we were safe at the time. Pretty sure you won't have heard that once. I’ve definitely seen words to that effect used plenty.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 15, 2021 22:51:25 GMT
Pretty sure you won't have heard that once. I’ve definitely seen words to that effect used plenty. I can quite assure you, you haven't. It's all in your head
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 22:53:05 GMT
I’ve definitely seen words to that effect used plenty. I can quite assure you, you haven't. It's all in your head “ He's quick, probably the best crosser at the club, can beat a man, can finish.” Effusive in praise for the lad. That’s just one post and I’m sure there are more. But yea it’s all in my head...
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 15, 2021 23:02:41 GMT
Maybe we will see Thibaud make the bench tomorrow now that McLean has been ruled out He's been making the bench for a few weeks now, with the odd exception.... Just never gets a chance on the pitch!!!
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 15, 2021 23:03:27 GMT
I can quite assure you, you haven't. It's all in your head “ He's quick, probably the best crosser at the club, can beat a man, can finish.” Effusive in praise for the lad. That’s just one post and I’m sure there are more. But yea it’s all in my head... And where does it mention 'Messiah' or even a definite 'answer' to our problems. No, no one claimed that. He just seemed, by many, to be a natural, or nearest, replacement to Campbell at the time.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 15, 2021 23:17:02 GMT
“ He's quick, probably the best crosser at the club, can beat a man, can finish.” Effusive in praise for the lad. That’s just one post and I’m sure there are more. But yea it’s all in my head... And where does it mention 'Messiah' or even a definite 'answer' to our problems. No, no one claimed that. He just seemed, by many, to be a natural, or nearest, replacement to Campbell at the time. And in no way as good as Campbell. Never will be.
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Post by lordb on Jan 15, 2021 23:18:46 GMT
And where does it mention 'Messiah' or even a definite 'answer' to our problems. No, no one claimed that. He just seemed, by many, to be a natural, or nearest, replacement to Campbell at the time. And in no way as good as Campbell. Never will be. Different positions, Campbell is a striker who plays wide Verlinden is an out an out winger.
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 23:19:24 GMT
“ He's quick, probably the best crosser at the club, can beat a man, can finish.” Effusive in praise for the lad. That’s just one post and I’m sure there are more. But yea it’s all in my head... And where does it mention 'Messiah' or even a definite 'answer' to our problems. No, no one claimed that. He just seemed, by many, to be a natural, or nearest, replacement to Campbell at the time. Oh you meant literally verbatim?! No I meant it was implied that he is the messiah or second coming etc. Fact is he’s an unknown at this level bar a very brief cameo.
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 23:20:39 GMT
And in no way as good as Campbell. Never will be. Different positions, Campbell is a striker who plays wide Verlinden is an out an out winger. I agree. not “the closest thing” then, not even the same role. Campbell needs replacing from the loan market
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 15, 2021 23:32:37 GMT
And in no way as good as Campbell. Never will be. Different positions, Campbell is a striker who plays wide Verlinden is an out an out winger. I was replying to the fact that he said that he was the 'nearest replacement'. He will never be because tyrese took heed what the management said whilst Verlinden sits back and reads how good he is on the Internet. Sad because he looks like he could make a good player.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 15, 2021 23:33:13 GMT
And where does it mention 'Messiah' or even a definite 'answer' to our problems. No, no one claimed that. He just seemed, by many, to be a natural, or nearest, replacement to Campbell at the time. Oh you meant literally verbatim?! No I meant it was implied that he is the messiah or second coming etc. Fact is he’s an unknown at this level bar a very brief cameo. So now you admit it was all in your head
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 23:51:59 GMT
Oh you meant literally verbatim?! No I meant it was implied that he is the messiah or second coming etc. Fact is he’s an unknown at this level bar a very brief cameo. So now you admit it was all in your head Words, to, that, effect. I’m not sure how else to break it down for you... I find it very strange that with you it has to be quoted and verbatim, you know this is a football forum and not crown court don’t you??
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