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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 13:35:38 GMT
Okay, so MO'N's reason for not playing Verlinden is "he's not trained well".... Some players don't, but do turn it on on match days!!! Brown and Vokes have had enough minutes on the pitch this season (even pre-injuries), and even if they're world beaters in training.... They certainly aren't bringing to the pitch on match day!!! Now with the arrivals of Matondo and Clarke, Verlinden must be wondering what he has to do to be given a chance!!! Train well.....
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 14, 2021 13:37:49 GMT
Okay, so MO'N's reason for not playing Verlinden is "he's not trained well".... Some players don't, but do turn it on on match days!!! Brown and Vokes have had enough minutes on the pitch this season (even pre-injuries), and even if they're world beaters in training.... They certainly aren't bringing to the pitch on match day!!! Now with the arrivals of Matondo and Clarke, Verlinden must be wondering what he has to do to be given a chance!!! Train well..... 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 14, 2021 13:40:16 GMT
You would imagine that it was as simple as that tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 13:40:51 GMT
I agree if the only problem is he looks shit, if the issue is that he isn't training well then can't be giving him a go. MON has had issues with the way young players have trained previously and I kind of assume he was alluding to Edwards and Thibaud because they're the only two that seem frozen out of the setup... Agreed. Training ethic is everything for many managers How does a young player expect to get better if he doesn’t train? Plus, allowing a young player into the team who doesn’t train hard allows for complacency. It’s one thing that Pulis allowed Fuller to be bone idle in training as he was our star player. It’s very different for a player whose not done anything. Though we have no idea if this is the case or not. Maybe if we go back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 he will be on the bench. With the signing of Clarke now, I hope that we send him out on loan and he gets a decent half season elsewhere. If he succeeds, we bring him in properly next year. I'd love him to succeed, if nothing else, judging by their instagrams our young players all seem like close friends so keeping someone like Thibaud could also prove crucial to keeping Campbell too. Pulis used to let Etherington get away with murder in training too according to Peter Crouch, while I do get that I don't think MON will operate similarly if I'm honest.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 14, 2021 13:55:57 GMT
its all speculation, maybe Verlinden doesn't want to be here, maybe he does...no idea!
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Post by nott1 on Jan 14, 2021 17:18:24 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? Has Verlinden ever had a really bad game for us? I thought he was doing well before he got injured and was exciting to watch. Now we have a left back and few options on the wing I hope he finds himself in the rotation. This suggests a mediocre player which I think describes him well!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:11:21 GMT
It's not plain at all. A year ago before TV's injury MON was singing his praises. He did rate him. And while he's been inconsistent - as all wingers are, as MON knows too well having been one himself - in his academy games he's the same player. Verlinden is not playing not for football reasons. It's personal. Not a good trait in a manager. I just wonder on what basis are you making the assumption that any issue between player and club/ and or manager is entirely the responsibility of the manager? and how can you be certain it is non-football? If there is something happening in training that we are not privy to as supporters, is that not Football-related? We're "privy" to the interview which MON gave on TV which is in this thread. If the manager then makes selection based fully or partially on issues which are not football related then that is 100% the man's responsibility.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 14, 2021 18:14:16 GMT
With the players MON has brought in the last days I can't see a future for Verlinden at Stoke. I think he needs to go out on loan again and really prove he is worth a place in our starting line up. If this doesn't happen I think he will just fade away and diappear.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:18:23 GMT
I agree if the only problem is he looks shit, if the issue is that he isn't training well then can't be giving him a go. MON has had issues with the way young players have trained previously and I kind of assume he was alluding to Edwards and Thibaud because they're the only two that seem frozen out of the setup... Agreed. Training ethic is everything for many managers How does a young player expect to get better if he doesn’t train? Plus, allowing a young player into the team who doesn’t train hard allows for complacency. It’s one thing that Pulis allowed Fuller to be bone idle in training as he was our star player. It’s very different for a player whose not done anything. Though we have no idea if this is the case or not. Maybe if we go back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 he will be on the bench. With the signing of Clarke now, I hope that we send him out on loan and he gets a decent half season elsewhere. If he succeeds, we bring him in properly next year. He's already been out on loans, the last of which was at Bolton. The manager there (can't recall his name) was enthusiastic about Thibo's performances. so he has already proven he's a success. Sending him out for another six months is offering him regression. Moreover it's a signal to him when his contract expires next year that the club doesn't really plan on him and to look elsewhere.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 14, 2021 18:22:08 GMT
Agreed. Training ethic is everything for many managers How does a young player expect to get better if he doesn’t train? Plus, allowing a young player into the team who doesn’t train hard allows for complacency. It’s one thing that Pulis allowed Fuller to be bone idle in training as he was our star player. It’s very different for a player whose not done anything. Though we have no idea if this is the case or not. Maybe if we go back to a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 he will be on the bench. With the signing of Clarke now, I hope that we send him out on loan and he gets a decent half season elsewhere. If he succeeds, we bring him in properly next year. He's already been out on loans, the last of which was at Bolton. The manager there (can't recall his name) was enthusiastic about Thibo's performances. so he has already proven he's a success. Sending him out for another six months is offering him regression. Moreover it's a signal to him when his contract expires next year that the club doesn't really plan on him and to look elsewhere. Don't you think that is exactly the case? I don't think MON rates Verlinden at all to be honest.
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Post by bringitondown on Jan 14, 2021 18:22:31 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really bad game for us? I thought he was doing well before he got injured and was exciting to watch. Now we have a left back and few options on the wing I hope he finds himself in the rotation. This suggests a mediocre player which I think describes him well! He’s a young talent who hasn’t had the minutes required to improve or prove himself. Additionally, mediocre is a lot better than some of the shite we put out.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 14, 2021 18:26:51 GMT
I can only go on what I saw with my own eyes, when he played he looked sharp and a threat, against Preston the only answer for their fullback was to keep hacking at him, unfortunately the ref allowed it again and again he ends up injured and now not even a look in, I mean it’s ok to say he needs to train better but some people don’t train well but turn it on on the pitch we must have some world class trainers who can’t do it when it counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:28:32 GMT
He's already been out on loans, the last of which was at Bolton. The manager there (can't recall his name) was enthusiastic about Thibo's performances. so he has already proven he's a success. Sending him out for another six months is offering him regression. Moreover it's a signal to him when his contract expires next year that the club doesn't really plan on him and to look elsewhere. Don't you think that is exactly the case? I don't think MON rates Verlinden at all to be honest. No.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 18:31:44 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? He played a really good game for us when Nathan Jones was manager. He praised him a lot after the game, then proceeded never to pick him again. So, you'd have to ask did we have a bad manager or a bad player?
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 14, 2021 18:32:03 GMT
Don't you think that is exactly the case? I don't think MON rates Verlinden at all to be honest. No.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Jan 14, 2021 18:34:15 GMT
This thread is very similar to the one we had going for N’Goy
With respect to Verlinden (who from the limited appearances I’ve seen looks like a good player) but;
Manager clearly doesn’t rate him to highly
As many managers before him haven’t
We are basing our views off a few decent cameo appearances where the managers that haven’t picked him are basing their decision on seeing him train week after week
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 14, 2021 18:43:27 GMT
There is no reason for MON not to pick him if he believed it would help the team. the manager clearly understands that he is in the results business and has tended to act in line with this in selection. The final test will be this weekend - with a left back we can play 4-3-3 and than requires two wide men. If Verlinden cant break into the team now it will be harder when Clarke and Matondo establish themselves
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 14, 2021 18:48:46 GMT
I can only go on what I saw with my own eyes, when he played he looked sharp and a threat, against Preston the only answer for their fullback was to keep hacking at him, unfortunately the ref allowed it again and again he ends up injured and now not even a look in, I mean it’s ok to say he needs to train better but some people don’t train well but turn it on on the pitch we must have some world class trainers who can’t do it when it counts. He was on for 7 minutes and had 3 touches 😆.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 14, 2021 19:04:09 GMT
There is no reason for MON not to pick him if he believed it would help the team. the manager clearly understands that he is in the results business and has tended to act in line with this in selection. The final test will be this weekend - with a left back we can play 4-3-3 and than requires two wide men. If Verlinden cant break into the team now it will be harder when Clarke and Matondo establish themselves But that’s the perfect test for him to prove himself, the new wide players and Verlinden are similar ages and so if he is this super talent that all the major clubs in Europe where clambering after, then prove it. The manager is demonstrating that he will give youngsters their chance to prove themselves and for once Verlinden has the challenge of another youngster that plays in his position as well as a experienced if erratic professional, if he’s not going to rise to the challenge then he never will.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 14, 2021 19:09:02 GMT
At the moment I think Thibaud falls into the category of being "a great player, when he isn't playing", in that many on here are raving about him yet he has done very little, on the pitch, to justify this. It's like saying, get Ince on as he's so much better than Brown, yet when Ince has been on the pitch reality kicks in and most people want rid of him.
The grass is NOT always greener I'm afraid.
Verlinden may be a real talent, but he seems to have managed, very successfully, to hide that from a number of managers over quite a long period of time (injuries not withstanding). I really want him to do well at this club, but have not seen anything from him to convince me that he will.
Some will tell us how he has been "tearing it up" at U23 level (as N'Goy used to do) but the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it.
The latest signings are an indication that Verlinden won't be in the 1st team anytime soon, and probably won't be at the club much longer. If he goes on to bigger and better things I will be happy for, and sad and annoyed (and surprised) that SCFC missed out. N'Goy keeps being mentioned on here as doing well...he is playing in a very mediocre league, he certainly has NOT gone on to bigger and better things. It's a shame for him, but a vindication of the club.
Time will tell
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Post by bagnallboothen on Jan 14, 2021 19:11:34 GMT
Has Verlinden ever had a really good game for us, if so I must have missed it? He played a really good game for us when Nathan Jones was manager. He praised him a lot after the game, then proceeded never to pick him again. So, you'd have to ask did we have a bad manager or a bad player? We've had a lot of bad managers and a lot of bad players recently. Now we have a good manager maybe it's time to trust him and his judgement?
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Post by deadwait on Jan 14, 2021 20:16:04 GMT
I have not much faith in who this manager thinks is good. Does he think Smith is good ? Thompson, Chester, Brown. Vokes, etc etc. What little I have seen of Verlinden certainly impressed me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2021 20:44:18 GMT
its all speculation, maybe Verlinden doesn't want to be here, maybe he does...no idea! Agreed but i feel forced to be defensive over MON's non use of him as people like Bayern are fucking obsessed with the kid. I still remember when they were going sick over fucking Cuvelier who ended up being a total dud as well...
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 14, 2021 20:45:31 GMT
I can only go on what I saw with my own eyes, when he played he looked sharp and a threat, against Preston the only answer for their fullback was to keep hacking at him, unfortunately the ref allowed it again and again he ends up injured and now not even a look in, I mean it’s ok to say he needs to train better but some people don’t train well but turn it on on the pitch we must have some world class trainers who can’t do it when it counts. He was on for 7 minutes and had 3 touches 😆. He wasn’t on long but in the time he was on he went past there fullback. With ease, hence the reason he took him out
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jan 14, 2021 21:05:13 GMT
I have not much faith in who this manager thinks is good. Does he think Smith is good ? Thompson, Chester, Brown. Vokes, etc etc. What little I have seen of Verlinden certainly impressed me. How do you think M.O.N. compares with some of his immediate predecessors then?
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Post by deadwait on Jan 14, 2021 22:18:40 GMT
Just a series of bad managers ! Bilic available ?
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Post by Cns on Jan 14, 2021 22:26:03 GMT
Don't pack ya bags just yet Thibauld.
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Post by BuzzB on Jan 14, 2021 22:35:45 GMT
Just a series of bad managers ! Bilic available ? Its more the cluster of players the previous (and MON ) managers have inherited and can't shift. Too much money in players pockets, along with the awful acquisitions of Rowett and Mad Nath.
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Post by a on Jan 15, 2021 4:32:55 GMT
At the moment I think Thibaud falls into the category of being "a great player, when he isn't playing", in that many on here are raving about him yet he has done very little, on the pitch, to justify this. It's like saying, get Ince on as he's so much better than Brown, yet when Ince has been on the pitch reality kicks in and most people want rid of him. The grass is NOT always greener I'm afraid. Verlinden may be a real talent, but he seems to have managed, very successfully, to hide that from a number of managers over quite a long period of time (injuries not withstanding). I really want him to do well at this club, but have not seen anything from him to convince me that he will. Some will tell us how he has been "tearing it up" at U23 level (as N'Goy used to do) but the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it. The latest signings are an indication that Verlinden won't be in the 1st team anytime soon, and probably won't be at the club much longer. If he goes on to bigger and better things I will be happy for, and sad and annoyed (and surprised) that SCFC missed out. N'Goy keeps being mentioned on here as doing well...he is playing in a very mediocre league, he certainly has NOT gone on to bigger and better things. It's a shame for him, but a vindication of the club. Time will tell Why are you using common sense and logic on here? Are you mad?! 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 8:03:02 GMT
At the moment I think Thibaud falls into the category of being "a great player, when he isn't playing", in that many on here are raving about him yet he has done very little, on the pitch, to justify this. It's like saying, get Ince on as he's so much better than Brown, yet when Ince has been on the pitch reality kicks in and most people want rid of him. The grass is NOT always greener I'm afraid. Verlinden may be a real talent, but he seems to have managed, very successfully, to hide that from a number of managers over quite a long period of time (injuries not withstanding). I really want him to do well at this club, but have not seen anything from him to convince me that he will. Some will tell us how he has been "tearing it up" at U23 level (as N'Goy used to do) but the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it. The latest signings are an indication that Verlinden won't be in the 1st team anytime soon, and probably won't be at the club much longer. If he goes on to bigger and better things I will be happy for, and sad and annoyed (and surprised) that SCFC missed out. N'Goy keeps being mentioned on here as doing well...he is playing in a very mediocre league, he certainly has NOT gone on to bigger and better things. It's a shame for him, but a vindication of the club. Time will tell It might apply to you, and several others on here, that you've never bothered to go and watch him in games or you can't remember the 13 times he played for us, mostly cameos. Others have actually gone over to Clayton Wood or have turned on their connection to watch the academy online and have seen for ourselves just how good he sometimes is. "the gulf is immense and very few manage to bridge it". Then it's very strange that Bursik, Collins, Souttar, Tymon, Campbell all came out of the same Academy and are playing for the Championship team which many are pinning their hopes on. Verlinden was part of that very same group, and that fact alone suggests that if he has what it takes then he'll bridge that gulf more easily. I don't think he has hidden anything from his managers. Hughes, Jones, and, yes, O'Neill have all spoken highly of him and they have played him, which you'd think they did for a reason. I just think that they all wanted to "ease him in" but then injuries happened, and those injuries held him back, with the current manager at first being overprotective of him, not realising that Thibo has been waiting to play properly for about four years now.
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