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Post by franklin on Dec 14, 2020 14:27:58 GMT
From the little I've seen of him he's got three advantages on some of his first team mates he can control a ball, he call pass a ball and can run relatively quickly. So it must be something else keeping him out of the team at the moment goodness knows what though.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 14, 2020 14:36:55 GMT
His substitutions are pretty weird. He can select 9, but selects only 8. He can use 5, but makes only a couple late in the game. He seems not to have understood the purpose of having 5 options, although he has a glaring injury list. He puts a defender on for a striker, when we're a goal down. And he selects Ince even though he knows perfectly well that Ince couldn't care less. So I wouldn't read much into that. He only named 8 because he only had available, having an U23 match the previous evening not giving him the opportunity to name youngsters - I noticed Forrester who made up the 9 on Tuesday played in that match. As for only using two subs it seems strange as he was one of the leading advocates for allowing 5. I suspect using only 2 tells us something about what he thinks of the players he had on the bench although in a tight must not lose match he was not going to send on defenders unless he had to.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 14, 2020 14:43:06 GMT
Some laughable stuff on this thread.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 14, 2020 15:01:35 GMT
Some laughable stuff on this thread. I hope Thibaud realises that some of the Oatcake experts have him lined up to be the new Messi. It’s ok though Thibaud. Because if you’re not it’s obviously going to be MONs fault in the eyes of some posters (well, one poster at least).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:04:25 GMT
His substitutions are pretty weird. He can select 9, but selects only 8. He can use 5, but makes only a couple late in the game. He seems not to have understood the purpose of having 5 options, although he has a glaring injury list. He puts a defender on for a striker, when we're a goal down. And he selects Ince even though he knows perfectly well that Ince couldn't care less. So I wouldn't read much into that. I don't think they're that weird, they're all pretty defencive minded, even Ince with his experience etc, I don't think Verlinden was ever getting a chance unless we were 3 or so goals up or down. With the situation as it is though he may not have a choice but to give him some game time, I'm hoping he can then force MON's hand with his performances. Believe or not I completely agree, He's very conservative in a lot of his decisions, which can be annoying but it was the same mindset that saved us last season. So we have to trust him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2020 16:11:16 GMT
I don't think they're that weird, they're all pretty defencive minded, even Ince with his experience etc, I don't think Verlinden was ever getting a chance unless we were 3 or so goals up or down. With the situation as it is though he may not have a choice but to give him some game time, I'm hoping he can then force MON's hand with his performances. Believe or not I completely agree, He's very conservative in a lot of his decisions, which can be annoying but it was the same mindset that saved us last season. So we have to trust him. I don't think it was totally the same mindset tbh, the defencive thing didn't help improve us or the results but when he changed it to get at teams more is when we saw a turn around before and after lock down, which is why I get frustrated and people seem to think I want him sacked or don't like him, thats the MON team I want to see and I think its that team that gets promoted. But we've seen it very frew times so far this season, it could be down to protecting players given the amount of games we're playing but its still bloody frustrating
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:11:57 GMT
His substitutions are pretty weird. He can select 9, but selects only 8. He can use 5, but makes only a couple late in the game. He seems not to have understood the purpose of having 5 options, although he has a glaring injury list. He puts a defender on for a striker, when we're a goal down. And he selects Ince even though he knows perfectly well that Ince couldn't care less. So I wouldn't read much into that. Seems to me Verlinden on the bench is a making up the numbers exercise. I think you're being overly negative. We probably have to pay him for being an unused sub, whereas if MON picked more of the new breed of academy prospects they have no such stuff in their contracts, or if they do it will be peanuts. They could learn a lot just from being part of the matchday squad, be in the dressing room before the match, watch the manager go through the motions when he throws his bottle and when not, and in non-corona days share in the booze - if we have won. Whereas Verlinden, Ince, Lindsay, and TOB will just sit there and become more frustrated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 16:16:15 GMT
His substitutions are pretty weird. He can select 9, but selects only 8. He can use 5, but makes only a couple late in the game. He seems not to have understood the purpose of having 5 options, although he has a glaring injury list. He puts a defender on for a striker, when we're a goal down. And he selects Ince even though he knows perfectly well that Ince couldn't care less. So I wouldn't read much into that. He only named 8 because he only had available, having an U23 match the previous evening not giving him the opportunity to name youngsters - I noticed Forrester who made up the 9 on Tuesday played in that match. As for only using two subs it seems strange as he was one of the leading advocates for allowing 5. I suspect using only 2 tells us something about what he thinks of the players he had on the bench although in a tight must not lose match he was not going to send on defenders unless he had to. It's the old case of bottles half full or empty. He probably thinks he will weaken the team if picked TOB for a few minutes to let Powell rest his legs, whereas a more progressive manager thinks fresh legs could make a major difference.
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Post by lordb on Dec 14, 2020 16:44:38 GMT
He only named 8 because he only had available, having an U23 match the previous evening not giving him the opportunity to name youngsters - I noticed Forrester who made up the 9 on Tuesday played in that match. As for only using two subs it seems strange as he was one of the leading advocates for allowing 5. I suspect using only 2 tells us something about what he thinks of the players he had on the bench although in a tight must not lose match he was not going to send on defenders unless he had to. It's the old case of bottles half full or empty. He probably thinks he will weaken the team if picked TOB for a few minutes to let Powell rest his legs, whereas a more progressive manager thinks fresh legs could make a major difference. More likely he was wanting to keep Powell on as he's a danger to the opposition I.e. the decision wasn't about TOB it was about Powell
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 14, 2020 16:47:12 GMT
Could he really be worse than Brown!?
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Post by christhepotter on Dec 14, 2020 17:09:15 GMT
It's the same line we had from the manager in pre season re Souttar and Collins, they're now far and away our most reliable defenders. It could just be something he does to keep the younger players grounded and ensure they don't rest on their laurels. If by boxing day Verlinden still hasn't had any meaningful game time, it would probably be safer to assume there's an issue there and don't get me wrong, I'd have had him in the team weeks ago. Yeah they are the most reliable defender and both will be great players but at the moment both seem to make mistakes that inevitably lead to goals
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2020 17:14:40 GMT
It's the old case of bottles half full or empty. He probably thinks he will weaken the team if picked TOB for a few minutes to let Powell rest his legs, whereas a more progressive manager thinks fresh legs could make a major difference. More likely he was wanting to keep Powell on as he's a danger to the opposition I.e. the decision wasn't about TOB it was about Powell I think that was what I was implying.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 17:25:13 GMT
Could he really be worse than Brown!? The manager clearly thinks he is and he sees him in training every day.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2020 17:35:56 GMT
Brown did ok up top against Boro, when he's played wide, most of his stuff is defensive closing down, did well wide against Brentford when we played at a high tempo..
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 14, 2020 17:36:39 GMT
Think TOB may play against QPR.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2020 20:38:44 GMT
Could he really be worse than Brown!? The manager clearly thinks he is and he sees him in training every day. He must be a different player in training.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 20:59:17 GMT
Think TOB may play against QPR. I hope not
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Post by LGH87 on Dec 15, 2020 8:21:10 GMT
It's the same line we had from the manager in pre season re Souttar and Collins, they're now far and away our most reliable defenders. It could just be something he does to keep the younger players grounded and ensure they don't rest on their laurels. If by boxing day Verlinden still hasn't had any meaningful game time, it would probably be safer to assume there's an issue there and don't get me wrong, I'd have had him in the team weeks ago. Yeah they are the most reliable defender and both will be great players but at the moment both seem to make mistakes that inevitably lead to goals And Smith, Batth & Chester don't?
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Post by christhepotter on Dec 15, 2020 8:51:00 GMT
Yeah they are the most reliable defender and both will be great players but at the moment both seem to make mistakes that inevitably lead to goals And Smith, Batth & Chester don't? You not read the bit where I said they’re most reliable then 🤦‍♂️
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 8:58:12 GMT
From the little I've seen of him he's got three advantages on some of his first team mates he can control a ball, he call pass a ball and can run relatively quickly. So it must be something else keeping him out of the team at the moment goodness knows what though. You can add dribbling to his advantages, but he has poor attitude in training and in matches, which many managers find unacceptable. There's also a question mark over whether he sees dribbling as end in itself or is he prepared to look for team mates rather than personal glory.
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Post by franklin on Dec 15, 2020 9:37:22 GMT
From the little I've seen of him he's got three advantages on some of his first team mates he can control a ball, he call pass a ball and can run relatively quickly. So it must be something else keeping him out of the team at the moment goodness knows what though. You can add dribbling to his advantages, but he has poor attitude in training and in matches, which many managers find unacceptable. There's also a question mark over whether he sees dribbling as end in itself or is he prepared to look for team mates rather than personal glory. If that's the case then a manager as good as MON needs to address it ASAP find out what his issue is and sort it out. We have so many players not able or willing to put the effort in why is that whats wrong with the club and these players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 10:43:37 GMT
You can add dribbling to his advantages, but he has poor attitude in training and in matches, which many managers find unacceptable. There's also a question mark over whether he sees dribbling as end in itself or is he prepared to look for team mates rather than personal glory. If that's the case then a manager as good as MON needs to address it ASAP find out what his issue is and sort it out. We have so many players not able or willing to put the effort in why is that whats wrong with the club and these players. He's relunctantly addressed it in a recent presser when Angela posed the question, so it goes without saying that he already has addressed it in private, but so far without the desired result. It's disappointing in every aspect. Expactations for Thibo have been high for a number of years, but if you have attitude problem it can get in the way of furthering your cause. Tymon, a close friend of the Belgian, has shown him the way. A far lesser player but he's done what O'Neill ha asked of him and has been rewarded with the manager's support and patience not to mention a regular place in the squad, if not actually a regular starter. Even when he plays poorly, O'Neill still supports him and continues to play him. Yet a year ago, before the manager arrived, Tymon looked to be heading for football's scrapyard. That's not where Verlinden is heading, as there'll be plenty of takers should we let him go. I wouldn't go as far as to say, as one poster did, that if he's not in the first team by boxing day, then he's out of here. He's got 18 months left on his contract, enough time to turn a corner, but he, and he only, will have to turn it.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 15, 2020 11:17:43 GMT
If that's the case then a manager as good as MON needs to address it ASAP find out what his issue is and sort it out. We have so many players not able or willing to put the effort in why is that whats wrong with the club and these players. He's relunctantly addressed it in a recent presser when Angela posed the question, so it goes without saying that he already has addressed it in private, but so far without the desired result. It's disappointing in every aspect. Expactations for Thibo have been high for a number of years, but if you have attitude problem it can get in the way of furthering your cause. Tymon, a close friend of the Belgian, has shown him the way. A far lesser player but he's done what O'Neill ha asked of him and has been rewarded with the manager's support and patience not to mention a regular place in the squad, if not actually a regular starter. Even when he plays poorly, O'Neill still supports him and continues to play him. Yet a year ago, before the manager arrived, Tymon looked to be heading for football's scrapyard. That's not where Verlinden is heading, as there'll be plenty of takers should we let him go. I wouldn't go as far as to say, as one poster did, that if he's not in the first team by boxing day, then he's out of here. He's got 18 months left on his contract, enough time to turn a corner, but he, and he only, will have to turn it. I don’t see the attitude problem, from what I’ve seen of him. He seems prepared to track back and work hard off the ball. My issue with him is he’s too lightweight, frail and injury prone. Purists won’t like this, but he’s lacking physically.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 11:20:36 GMT
He's relunctantly addressed it in a recent presser when Angela posed the question, so it goes without saying that he already has addressed it in private, but so far without the desired result. It's disappointing in every aspect. Expactations for Thibo have been high for a number of years, but if you have attitude problem it can get in the way of furthering your cause. Tymon, a close friend of the Belgian, has shown him the way. A far lesser player but he's done what O'Neill ha asked of him and has been rewarded with the manager's support and patience not to mention a regular place in the squad, if not actually a regular starter. Even when he plays poorly, O'Neill still supports him and continues to play him. Yet a year ago, before the manager arrived, Tymon looked to be heading for football's scrapyard. That's not where Verlinden is heading, as there'll be plenty of takers should we let him go. I wouldn't go as far as to say, as one poster did, that if he's not in the first team by boxing day, then he's out of here. He's got 18 months left on his contract, enough time to turn a corner, but he, and he only, will have to turn it. I don’t see the attitude problem, from what I’ve seen of him. He seems prepared to track back and work hard off the ball. My issue with him is he’s too lightweight, frail and injury prone. Purists won’t like this, but he’s lacking physically. What matters is that O'Neill sees it.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 15, 2020 11:22:20 GMT
I don’t see the attitude problem, from what I’ve seen of him. He seems prepared to track back and work hard off the ball. My issue with him is he’s too lightweight, frail and injury prone. Purists won’t like this, but he’s lacking physically. What matters is that O'Neill sees it. I’m not sure he does? I’ve never picked up on that when I’ve heard him talk about Verlinden.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 12:12:30 GMT
You'll have to listen some more then. But maybe it's because you talk about games of which he's played few this year, while O'Neill talks about training primarily.
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 15, 2020 14:11:10 GMT
Could he really be worse than Brown!? But MON bought Brown to the club. I can’t imagine it would look good or go down well but if someone you’ve just bought in is replaced by someone that’s was already here
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 15, 2020 14:19:31 GMT
You'll have to listen some more then. But maybe it's because you talk about games of which he's played few this year, while O'Neill talks about training primarily. He’s made reference to him “needing to do more” in the U23’s. That’s not necessarily an attitude problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2020 16:27:35 GMT
You'll have to listen some more then. But maybe it's because you talk about games of which he's played few this year, while O'Neill talks about training primarily. He’s made reference to him “needing to do more” in the U23’s. That’s not necessarily an attitude problem. Apparently it's a semantic problem.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 15, 2020 16:37:59 GMT
He's relunctantly addressed it in a recent presser when Angela posed the question, so it goes without saying that he already has addressed it in private, but so far without the desired result. It's disappointing in every aspect. Expactations for Thibo have been high for a number of years, but if you have attitude problem it can get in the way of furthering your cause. Tymon, a close friend of the Belgian, has shown him the way. A far lesser player but he's done what O'Neill ha asked of him and has been rewarded with the manager's support and patience not to mention a regular place in the squad, if not actually a regular starter. Even when he plays poorly, O'Neill still supports him and continues to play him. Yet a year ago, before the manager arrived, Tymon looked to be heading for football's scrapyard. That's not where Verlinden is heading, as there'll be plenty of takers should we let him go. I wouldn't go as far as to say, as one poster did, that if he's not in the first team by boxing day, then he's out of here. He's got 18 months left on his contract, enough time to turn a corner, but he, and he only, will have to turn it. I don’t see the attitude problem, from what I’ve seen of him. He seems prepared to track back and work hard off the ball. My issue with him is he’s too lightweight, frail and injury prone. Purists won’t like this, but he’s lacking physically. That's what concerns me as well. He got his injury pretty right in front of me and it was a nothing incident - he just got crocked by a player standing his ground. He looked like a boy playing in a man's game. Some players can come though younger than Verlinden but they tend have the physicality to endure the knocks, I just hope he's matured physically during his layoff.
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