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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 9, 2020 22:31:01 GMT
I hope so. He looked promising in his cameo spells before getting injured. My concern is whether he understands the defensive aspect of his game yet. Certainly he does look like he always wants to get on the ball and charge at his fullback though, which is exciting. I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. Flabbergasted. If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough. I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge. In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc
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Post by datguy on Aug 9, 2020 22:37:39 GMT
Should be making 20-25 appearances next season. Pacey, direct, skilful and a decent crosser.
It's now or never really. If he doesn't get game time this season then he never will at Stoke.
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Post by datguy on Aug 9, 2020 22:38:27 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. Flabbergasted. If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough. I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge. In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc By that you mean McClean getting injured? Why would you loan one of your two left wingers?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 22:39:29 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. Flabbergasted.  If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough.  I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge.  In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc Arnie would see the danger before it happened and would stop it on the whole. He offered way more protection to his full back than any other winger in the PL era. What is it with Stoke fans and wanting to loan perfectly good players out?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 22:40:42 GMT
Flabbergasted.  If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough.  I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge.  In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc By that you mean McClean getting injured? Why would you loan one of your two left wingers? And not only that, a player equally capable of playing on the right or behind the striker. Madness.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 9, 2020 22:50:37 GMT
Flabbergasted. If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough. I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge. In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc By that you mean McClean getting injured? Why would you loan one of your two left wingers? As he’s only just coming back of injury and we’ll be in mid September when the season starts he won’t get game time unless there are injuries etc on the LH side which can’t be covered. If he doesn’t get game time he won’t be match fit nor will he be getting 1st team football experience. The other aspect to consider is like it not he may not be to the standard required in the EPL. He’s a relative unknown
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 9, 2020 22:58:24 GMT
Flabbergasted. If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough. I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge. In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc Arnie would see the danger before it happened and would stop it on the whole. He offered way more protection to his full back than any other winger in the PL era. What is it with Stoke fans and wanting to loan perfectly good players out? 1. Disagree. He chased rather than stopped. This board crucified Pieters, why? 2. Verlinden is relatively an unknown quantity at EPL level. He won’t be match fit unless he’s got games (not cameos) under his belt until late October. He won’t displace as first choice McClean (last seasons player of the season). We’re now moving toward January. Pin this comment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 22:59:37 GMT
I hope so. He looked promising in his cameo spells before getting injured. My concern is whether he understands the defensive aspect of his game yet. Certainly he does look like he always wants to get on the ball and charge at his fullback though, which is exciting. I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. I’d say Delap was the best defensive winger we’ve had in ten years to be honest In earnest, id say that Marty did a way better job at keeping the two banks of four than any other winger we’ve had in that time period.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 23:06:53 GMT
Arnie would see the danger before it happened and would stop it on the whole. He offered way more protection to his full back than any other winger in the PL era. What is it with Stoke fans and wanting to loan perfectly good players out? 1. Disagree.  He chased rather than stopped.  This board crucified Pieters, why? 2. Verlinden is relatively an unknown quantity at EPL level.  He won’t be match fit unless he’s got games (not cameos) under his belt until late October.  He won’t displace as first choice McClean (last seasons player of the season).  We’re now moving toward January.  Pin this comment No idea. Pieters was a good player for us. So? Match fit? You can do that without a loan 😂 And why won’t he? If he plays he will show he is a far superior footballer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2020 23:08:02 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. I’d say Delap was the best defensive winger we’ve had in ten years to be honest In earnest, id say that Marty did a way better job at keeping the two banks of four than any other winger we’ve had in that time period. Delap was awful when he played on the wing for us. Arnie read the game superbly and would stop stuff before it happened. Seriously underrated on that side of his game.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 9, 2020 23:27:41 GMT
1. Disagree. He chased rather than stopped. This board crucified Pieters, why? 2. Verlinden is relatively an unknown quantity at EPL level. He won’t be match fit unless he’s got games (not cameos) under his belt until late October. He won’t displace as first choice McClean (last seasons player of the season). We’re now moving toward January. Pin this comment No idea. Pieters was a good player for us. So? Match fit? You can do that without a loan 😂 And why won’t he? If he plays he will show he is a far superior footballer. Who are you leaving out for Verlinden on 12 September?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 0:42:21 GMT
I’d say Delap was the best defensive winger we’ve had in ten years to be honest In earnest, id say that Marty did a way better job at keeping the two banks of four than any other winger we’ve had in that time period. Delap was awful when he played on the wing for us. Arnie read the game superbly and would stop stuff before it happened. Seriously underrated on that side of his game. It was said in jest. I didn’t mind Arnie on the wing, I did think Etherington was far more disciplined though.
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Post by bolders on Aug 10, 2020 5:58:09 GMT
Thing with Verlinden is he tries to beat one player too many when he should either pass or bomb down the byline
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Post by wherty on Aug 10, 2020 6:36:33 GMT
I hope so. He looked promising in his cameo spells before getting injured. My concern is whether he understands the defensive aspect of his game yet. Certainly he does look like he always wants to get on the ball and charge at his fullback though, which is exciting. I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. So you are saying Arnie was better defensively and tracked back more than Jon Walters?
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Post by wherty on Aug 10, 2020 6:38:53 GMT
Flabbergasted.  If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough.  I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge.  In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc By that you mean McClean getting injured? Why would you loan one of your two left wingers? Verlinden is actually right footed so prefers the right wing hence looking at moving ince on.
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Post by Gods on Aug 10, 2020 6:53:22 GMT
It's the '4 weeks or so' and 'fingers crossed' in the article that trouble me.
ACL is a real nasty one even with modern techniques, apparently you need to learn to use your knee again.
Let's get him back slowly and safely then ease him in to the side where it makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 6:54:48 GMT
By that you mean McClean getting injured? Why would you loan one of your two left wingers? As he’s only just coming back of injury and we’ll be in mid September when the season starts he won’t get game time unless there are injuries etc on the LH side which can’t be covered. If he doesn’t get game time he won’t be match fit nor will he be getting 1st team football experience. The other aspect to consider is like it not he may not be to the standard required in the EPL. He’s a relative unknown If we don't sell Ince - who would want him - and he continues his ways, and we don't buy a five star replacement, then Verlinden could be a nasty surprise for a lot of CL opponents. But if we do buy a star winger, then Verlinden's path will be blocked on either wing, and he will be picked up by Bolton eventually for a nominal fee. A short while later Bolton will sell him in a multimillion deal.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 10, 2020 6:56:13 GMT
I’d say Delap was the best defensive winger we’ve had in ten years to be honest In earnest, id say that Marty did a way better job at keeping the two banks of four than any other winger we’ve had in that time period. Delap was awful when he played on the wing for us. Arnie read the game superbly and would stop stuff before it happened. Seriously underrated on that side of his game. There seemed to be a general opinion that Arnie was weak and didn't bother about his defensive duties, how wrong were they!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 10, 2020 10:46:56 GMT
Flabbergasted.  If you think letting someone go past you, putting your chin up in the air and then tanking back after them for the applause of the crowd is defending fair enough.  I beg to differ and bow to your superior knowledge.  In respect of Verlinden who I’ve only seen in cameo appearances to-date I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loaned out in January unless we have significant problems due to injury on the left hand side etc Arnie would see the danger before it happened and would stop it on the whole. He offered way more protection to his full back than any other winger in the PL era. What is it with Stoke fans and wanting to loan perfectly good players out? Strange then that Moyes decided he couldn’t play wide because he was weak defensively. Etherington was easily the best defensive wide player we had in the PL with Rory very effective albeit less so going forward W shave too many players so it makes sense to lain young players who are not yet good enough to start out to gain experience. Verlinden has had a couple of good cameos but several where he looked weak and inexperienced, it’s also not clear how quick he is over more than a short sprint. After injury it will take a while to come back, best to loan him to give him the best chance when he returns
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 10, 2020 10:49:08 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. I’d say Delap was the best defensive winger we’ve had in ten years to be honest In earnest, id say that Marty did a way better job at keeping the two banks of four than any other winger we’ve had in that time period. I would rate Delap just behind aethers but agree they were comfortably the best two defensively. Arnie was all over the place often tossing his head in the air as Eric was left two on one
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Post by wearestoke80 on Aug 11, 2020 20:06:53 GMT
Make or break for him this year, if he isn’t a starter this season then get rid
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2020 8:29:17 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 5, 2020 9:03:48 GMT
I was pleasantly surprised by his defensive side when he did play tbh. He was way more switched on than McClean who is imo poor defensively. People see hard work and running as being good defensively and said the same about Walters but he too imo was poor defensively. They’re both way too reactive to defensive situations and can’t read them. The best defensive winger we’ve had in the last 10 years was Arnie. So you are saying Arnie was better defensively and tracked back more than Jon Walters? Two different players Ones a Complete Stoke legend The other a sulky Austrian
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Post by toppercorner on Sept 5, 2020 9:32:12 GMT
I really like Verlinden.
For the few times I've seen him, i've been very impressed.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 5, 2020 10:26:29 GMT
So you are saying Arnie was better defensively and tracked back more than Jon Walters? Two different players Ones a Complete Stoke legend The other a sulky Austrian Unless you saw Mark Stein or you are in your 60's, you are unlikely to have seen a better player than Arnie in a Stoke shirt. He was outstanding and even when he played badly he was still our best player. Sad the way he left but I'll only always remember him fondly. He was a superb player
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 5, 2020 10:28:33 GMT
So you are saying Arnie was better defensively and tracked back more than Jon Walters? Two different players Ones a Complete Stoke legend The other a sulky Austrian Oh dear.
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Post by dudnostokie on Sept 5, 2020 10:48:32 GMT
Two different players Ones a Complete Stoke legend The other a sulky Austrian Unless you saw Mark Stein or you are in your 60's, you are unlikely to have seen a better player than Arnie in a Stoke shirt. He was outstanding and even when he played badly he was still our best player. Sad the way he left but I'll only always remember him fondly. He was a superb player This, he was unplayable when he was on his game. Probably the most hurt I've been when he left.
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Post by dudnostokie on Sept 5, 2020 10:52:12 GMT
Make or break for him this year, if he isn’t a starter this season then get rid Eh? How is he going to start? Is he going to replace our player of the season on the left? Is he going to replace Powell? Is he going to replace Ince or Ty? He isn't going to be starting anything unless there's an injury. He's just come to fruition before his injury, he'll be utilised as a squad player and will advance in importance if he does well. Personally, I think he's tricky and brings something new to the squad that we don't have. He has seemed very lightweight and is pushed off the ball very easily. I do hope he can improve in this regard.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Sept 5, 2020 10:57:57 GMT
Make or break for him this year, if he isn’t a starter this season then get rid Eh? How is he going to start? Is he going to replace our player of the season on the left? Is he going to replace Powell? Is he going to replace Ince or Ty? He isn't going to be starting anything unless there's an injury. He's just come to fruition before his injury, he'll be utilised as a squad player and will advance in importance if he does well. Personally, I think he's tricky and brings something new to the squad that we don't have. He has seemed very lightweight and is pushed off the ball very easily. I do hope he can improve in this regard. He should start when Powell is injured which is probably going to be most of the season anyway, if he’s good enough
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Post by lordb on Sept 5, 2020 11:05:25 GMT
Eh? How is he going to start? Is he going to replace our player of the season on the left? Is he going to replace Powell? Is he going to replace Ince or Ty? He isn't going to be starting anything unless there's an injury. He's just come to fruition before his injury, he'll be utilised as a squad player and will advance in importance if he does well. Personally, I think he's tricky and brings something new to the squad that we don't have. He has seemed very lightweight and is pushed off the ball very easily. I do hope he can improve in this regard. He should start when Powell is injured which is probably going to be most of the season anyway, if he’s good enough Why is it probable that Powell will be injured most of the season? He's played 30+ games for the last few seasons
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