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Post by silverdollar on Aug 11, 2019 11:03:53 GMT
I have to admit that I am feeling very deflated after yesterday's result but then again I would fully expect the players are also feeling low. That is the time when everyone concerned has to pull together. All my experience tells me that we have a competitive squad capable of beating any team in the Championship. Contrary to many on this site I do believe we are improving.
My major concern is that we have conceded five goals in our first two games against not the best two teams in the league. As we struggle to score three goals it seems we are destined for trouble.
I still have faith in Nathan Jones but I want him to get to grips with the defending first and foremost. The spectacular goal scored by Ince yesterday can win games but only if we keep clean sheets!
You have got to be mentally strong to be a Stoke supporter nowadays! When are some going to realise that you cannot just keep sacking your manager.
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Post by Davef on Aug 11, 2019 11:13:29 GMT
The issue of sacking managers wouldn't be there if the managers were producing decent, winning football.
If our current form continues much longer then NJ's position will be under threat, and it won't be fans who'll be making the decision.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 11, 2019 11:33:57 GMT
When using the largest resource in the league, the manager has to get results. No ifs, no buts.
Nathan Jones has been allowed to bring in 12 new footballers in 8 months. He simply has to do better or he has to go.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 11, 2019 11:58:21 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable
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Post by loosestools on Aug 11, 2019 12:01:40 GMT
Don't confuse negativity with realism!
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Post by wuzza on Aug 11, 2019 12:03:52 GMT
I wonder which ‘fan bases’ would be looking on the bright side if they had experienced the last few seasons that we have ?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 11, 2019 12:07:23 GMT
I have to admit that I am feeling very deflated after yesterday's result but then again I would fully expect the players are also feeling low. That is the time when everyone concerned has to pull together. All my experience tells me that we have a competitive squad capable of beating any team in the Championship. Contrary to many on this site I do believe we are improving. My major concern is that we have conceded five goals in our first two games against not the best two teams in the league. As we struggle to score three goals it seems we are destined for trouble. I still have faith in Nathan Jones but I want him to get to grips with the defending first and foremost. The spectacular goal scored by Ince yesterday can win games but only if we keep clean sheets! You have got to be mentally strong to be a Stoke supporter nowadays! When are some going to realise that you cannot just keep sacking your manager. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of stoke 'followers' dont know anything about football. You only have to go down the pub and talk to people, they cant even pronounce first team players names correctly half the time, talk to them about any another team and you had may aswell be talking about a foreign third division side because they know nothing about them. My conclusion is they dont see a bigger picture, they dont realise we have brought 10 players in and the problems that can bring with regards to starting the season fast. 2 games, 10 new players, 3 new players in defence yesterday and some want him gone. Clueless. |
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Post by boothenesque on Aug 11, 2019 12:17:32 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable I don't think there is. Sadly I remember Waddo being hounded out. Sometimes you get what you deserve. Negativity breeds more negativity and we're really good at that. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 12:18:29 GMT
I have to admit that I am feeling very deflated after yesterday's result but then again I would fully expect the players are also feeling low. That is the time when everyone concerned has to pull together. All my experience tells me that we have a competitive squad capable of beating any team in the Championship. Contrary to many on this site I do believe we are improving. My major concern is that we have conceded five goals in our first two games against not the best two teams in the league. As we struggle to score three goals it seems we are destined for trouble. I still have faith in Nathan Jones but I want him to get to grips with the defending first and foremost. The spectacular goal scored by Ince yesterday can win games but only if we keep clean sheets! You have got to be mentally strong to be a Stoke supporter nowadays! When are some going to realise that you cannot just keep sacking your manager. I've come to the conclusion that a lot of stoke 'followers' dont know anything about football. You only have to go down the pub and talk to people, they cant even pronounce first team players names correctly half the time, talk to them about any another team and you had may aswell be talking about a foreign third division side because they know nothing about them. My conclusion is they dont see a bigger picture, they dont realise we have brought 10 players in and the problems that can bring with regards to starting the season fast. 2 games, 10 new players, 3 new players in defence yesterday and some want him gone. Clueless. He took over the most expensive squad in the Championship last season in January and produced 3 wins in 20+games, he managed to do worse than the hapless GR , he has brought in 10 new players had a full pre season to work with them and has managed to lose the first two games of this season scoring two and conceding five and you have the gall to call the fans clueless  |
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Post by march4 on Aug 11, 2019 12:18:34 GMT
I have to admit that I am feeling very deflated after yesterday's result but then again I would fully expect the players are also feeling low. That is the time when everyone concerned has to pull together. All my experience tells me that we have a competitive squad capable of beating any team in the Championship. Contrary to many on this site I do believe we are improving. My major concern is that we have conceded five goals in our first two games against not the best two teams in the league. As we struggle to score three goals it seems we are destined for trouble. I still have faith in Nathan Jones but I want him to get to grips with the defending first and foremost. The spectacular goal scored by Ince yesterday can win games but only if we keep clean sheets! You have got to be mentally strong to be a Stoke supporter nowadays! When are some going to realise that you cannot just keep sacking your manager. Why can’t you keep sacking your manager? If you appoint a succession of poor managers you have no choice. The trick is to appoint someone who is going to have an immediate and positive impact. |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 11, 2019 12:19:58 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable I don't think there is. Sadly I remember Waddo being hounded out. Sometimes you get what you deserve. Negativity breeds more negativity and we're really good at that. The owners hung Waddo out to dry simple as. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 12:22:18 GMT
Stoke fans are really good at turning on themselves, doing themselves down, blaming their fellow fans.
Any group of supporters would be absolutely furious if they'd gone through 4 years of non stop decline and humiliation.
Stoke supporters are excellent. If Jones had been at leeds utd, they'd have been calling for his head long before now and he would have been sacked long ago.Rowett would have been sacked at Leeds after 4-5 games!
Stop attacking your fellow fans.
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Post by zerps on Aug 11, 2019 12:30:53 GMT
New season fresh start. Has to be.
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Post by mcw on Aug 11, 2019 12:31:35 GMT
Stoke fans are really good at turning on themselves, doing themselves down, blaming their fellow fans. Any group of supporters would be absolutely furious if they'd gone through 4 years of non stop decline and humiliation. Stoke supporters are excellent. If Jones had been at leeds utd, they'd have been calling for his head long before now and he would have been sacked long ago.Rowett would have been sacked at Leeds after 4-5 games! Stop attacking your fellow fans. Totally agree, the booing at the first game was tepid at best. Despondency means there is little to cheer about, but we are a fan base that wants to get behind the team- that doesn’t mean winning it means seeing a team bust a gut whether winning or losing. If this team is seriously downcast at the reception they get at home games then god help them when they move elsewhere. Yes the fabled atmosphere has gone due to the dross we have been subjected too, but to blame the fans is incredulous. 90% are not booing or having a go but have nothing to cheer about. |
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 11, 2019 12:43:32 GMT
I have to admit that I am feeling very deflated after yesterday's result but then again I would fully expect the players are also feeling low. That is the time when everyone concerned has to pull together. All my experience tells me that we have a competitive squad capable of beating any team in the Championship. Contrary to many on this site I do believe we are improving. My major concern is that we have conceded five goals in our first two games against not the best two teams in the league. As we struggle to score three goals it seems we are destined for trouble. I still have faith in Nathan Jones but I want him to get to grips with the defending first and foremost. The spectacular goal scored by Ince yesterday can win games but only if we keep clean sheets! You have got to be mentally strong to be a Stoke supporter nowadays! When are some going to realise that you cannot just keep sacking your manager. Why can’t you keep sacking your manager? If you appoint a succession of poor managers you have no choice. The trick is to appoint someone who is going to have an immediate and positive impact. It hasn't adversely affected Watford who have had 12 managers in 10 years and they have sacked some very decent ones. The current guy will go I am sure if they hit a bad patch |
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 11, 2019 12:45:29 GMT
Gregory was class. That was a positive in itself. Hogan and Gregory are the way forward for me.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 11, 2019 12:52:38 GMT
The issue of sacking managers wouldn't be there if the managers were producing decent, winning football. If our current form continues much longer then NJ's position will be under threat, and it won't be fans who'll be making the decision. You don't think all of us standing up and shouting, 'Gary Rowett your football is shit' had anything to do with it? We decided the timing of that sacking. I don't know what Coates privately thought, but we gave him no choice. That's not a criticism, I joined in very loudly. We hounded him out. We can now decide whether we do that again. I say at least give him a third of a season at least. That means trying to stay positive and getting behind the team for now. I reckon 80% of our fans are doing that, but the other 20% have already decided they want Jones out and/or do not care about results so long as they can vent. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2019 12:57:35 GMT
The issue of sacking managers wouldn't be there if the managers were producing decent, winning football. If our current form continues much longer then NJ's position will be under threat, and it won't be fans who'll be making the decision. You don't think all of us standing up and shouting, 'Gary Rowett your football is shit' had anything to do with it? We decided the timing of that sacking. I don't know what Coates privately thought, but we gave him no choice. That's not a criticism, I joined in very loudly. We hounded him out. We can now decide whether we do that again. I say at least give him a third of a season at least. That means trying to stay positive and getting behind the team for now. I reckon 80% of our fans are doing that, but the other 20% have already decided they want Jones out and/or do not care about results so long as they can vent. There has to be reason to be positive though. Against QPR, there absolutely wasn't. Keep churning that out and nobody is going to get behind that. It sounded like we at least created chances yesterday, which is encouraging. Incremental improvement will keep him in a job. |
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Post by mcw on Aug 11, 2019 13:02:54 GMT
You don't think all of us standing up and shouting, 'Gary Rowett your football is shit' had anything to do with it? We decided the timing of that sacking. I don't know what Coates privately thought, but we gave him no choice. That's not a criticism, I joined in very loudly. We hounded him out. We can now decide whether we do that again. I say at least give him a third of a season at least. That means trying to stay positive and getting behind the team for now. I reckon 80% of our fans are doing that, but the other 20% have already decided they want Jones out and/or do not care about results so long as they can vent. There has to be reason to be positive though. Against QPR, there absolutely wasn't. Keep churning that out and nobody is going to get behind that. It sounded like we at least created chances yesterday, which is encouraging. Incremental improvement will keep him in a job. Agree totally, he has to get the team playing well and putting a shift in. That will turn what is currently the silent subdued 90% into a more vocal and positive force which will drown out the 10% or so who are actively expressing their displeasure and is all you can hear. If he doesn’t get that going soon at home though, that 10% is going to quickly grow.... |
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Post by mcw on Aug 11, 2019 13:03:12 GMT
You don't think all of us standing up and shouting, 'Gary Rowett your football is shit' had anything to do with it? We decided the timing of that sacking. I don't know what Coates privately thought, but we gave him no choice. That's not a criticism, I joined in very loudly. We hounded him out. We can now decide whether we do that again. I say at least give him a third of a season at least. That means trying to stay positive and getting behind the team for now. I reckon 80% of our fans are doing that, but the other 20% have already decided they want Jones out and/or do not care about results so long as they can vent. There has to be reason to be positive though. Against QPR, there absolutely wasn't. Keep churning that out and nobody is going to get behind that. It sounded like we at least created chances yesterday, which is encouraging. Incremental improvement will keep him in a job. Agree totally, he has to get the team playing well and putting a shift in. That will turn what is currently the silent subdued 90% into a more vocal and positive force which will drown out the 10% or so who are actively expressing their displeasure and is all you can hear. If he doesn’t get that going soon at home though, that 10% is going to quickly grow.... |
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Post by thehoof on Aug 11, 2019 13:06:29 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable Do you honestly think that at the moment ( even if you forget the previous 23 games- half a season of Jones inspired insipidity) that losing to QPR at home and Charlton away conceding 5 and scoring 2 is something to be anything other than miserable about. Yes we played better yesterday and still had our arses spanked.There is a saying that good sides win when they play poorly, but I don’t know what the equivalent is for “good” sides that play well and lose?I would like to find something to be positive about but there is no shape, no cohesion to team selection, no fast pressing game to speak of, substitutions that usually take place after 70 minutes no matter what the state of the game and we are led to believe that our athletic squad falls to pieces at the first booing they hear- however they are incapable of scoring if you cheer them to the rafters. If anything that I have said comes over as being miserable, please just point out what I should be happy for, because I really would love to be. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 11, 2019 13:08:30 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 11, 2019 13:30:34 GMT
I don't think there is. Sadly I remember Waddo being hounded out. Sometimes you get what you deserve. Negativity breeds more negativity and we're really good at that. The owners hung Waddo out to dry simple as. True, when Henshall had the tribe outside the door asking for his head there was only one result! It was ever thus! |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 11, 2019 13:31:37 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable I don't think there is. Sadly I remember Waddo being hounded out. Sometimes you get what you deserve. Negativity breeds more negativity and we're really good at that. What utter twaddle. |
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Post by neddy on Aug 11, 2019 13:36:48 GMT
Goodness me any supporter of any club would be pretty frustrated with 3 wins in 23.....
By all means give Jones some more games but heavens sake it is not the fans fault!!!!
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2019 13:44:44 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable Just check out other forums. This is not unique to Stoke. Football fans are tortured souls for the most part. People who are happy and content are not real football fans. They can’t be because once you go into supporting a team with passion you are destined for a lifetime of suffering with rare glimpses of euphoria teasingly thrown in at random moments just to torment you further and to create the illusion that success might just last forever. |
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Post by zerps on Aug 11, 2019 13:46:43 GMT
Seriously wondering if there is a more negative fan base than scfc. Terminally miserable Just check out other forums. This is not unique to Stoke. Football fans are tortured souls for the most part. People who are happy and content are not real football fans. They can’t be because once you go into supporting a team with passion you are destined for a lifetime of suffering with rare glimpses of euphoria teasingly thrown in at random moments just to torment you further and to create the illusion that success might just last forever. Either that or some people are thick and some people know how to be optimistic because we’ve largely been spoilt since 2008 |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2019 13:59:05 GMT
Just check out other forums. This is not unique to Stoke. Football fans are tortured souls for the most part. People who are happy and content are not real football fans. They can’t be because once you go into supporting a team with passion you are destined for a lifetime of suffering with rare glimpses of euphoria teasingly thrown in at random moments just to torment you further and to create the illusion that success might just last forever. Either that or some people are thick and some people know how to be optimistic because we’ve largely been spoilt since 2008 Football fans are never happy. How many clubs are successful all of the time?? and how many are not? We were spoilt only in retrospect. How many felt spoilt at the time? Maybe an handful. It would be the same for any club. |
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Post by zerps on Aug 11, 2019 14:02:20 GMT
Either that or some people are thick and some people know how to be optimistic because we’ve largely been spoilt since 2008 Football fans are never happy. How many clubs are successful all of the time?? and how many are not? We were spoilt only in retrospect. How many felt spoilt at the time? Maybe an handful. It would be the same for any club. Being in the prem is success. We’ll get there again. The rest is just noise. If people can’t enjoy anything they’ve got a big problem. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2019 14:16:53 GMT
Football fans are never happy. How many clubs are successful all of the time?? and how many are not? We were spoilt only in retrospect. How many felt spoilt at the time? Maybe an handful. It would be the same for any club. Being in the prem is success. We’ll get there again. The rest is just noise. If people can’t enjoy anything they’ve got a big problem. I don’t see it that way. There is as much suffering and discontent in the Premiership as in any league despite all the hype we are fed. It’s all relative. Fans just want to win games no matter who it is against. Euphoria is short lived, it’s disappeared by the next game. Players and Managers swing from Hero to Zero one week to the next and whatever level. I went for a drink with a Tottenham fan last night I wouldn’t describe him as happy, he was relieved but at the same time frustrated that his team were behind to Villa for so long of the game. All this seemed to do was to make him feel anxious i.e. negative about the rest of the season. He was annoyed and frustrated that they couldn’t beat Villa convincingly. He wasn’t happy or positive. He’s still depressed about the Champions League Final. I would describe him as a typical football supporter. |
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