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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 25, 2019 7:53:40 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. You can bet your bottom dollar that Rowett will be “laughing his socks off”
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Post by zerps on Aug 25, 2019 7:57:17 GMT
What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. You can bet your bottom dollar that Rowett will be “laughing his socks off” He’s still a cunt that doesn’t deserve to be here
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 25, 2019 8:14:56 GMT
The way I see it is he is a nice guy, I like him but it's just not working. It doesn't look like working any time soon. I don't think you can succeed as a football manager with the perception of being nice. There are too many twats in the game that require significant disciplinary action.
I'd personally give him the next 2 games and if it hasn't significantly improved then t'ra. Then spent the international break finding the replacement.
That being said, as has been mentioned several times, the decision makers are really the problem here.
In reality a scrappy 1-0 win vs Brum could be what we need.
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Post by march4 on Aug 25, 2019 8:54:43 GMT
The way I see it is he is a nice guy, I like him but it's just not working. It doesn't look like working any time soon. I don't think you can succeed as a football manager with the perception of being nice. There are too many twats in the game that require significant disciplinary action. I'd personally give him the next 2 games and if it hasn't significantly improved then t'ra. Then spent the international break finding the replacement. That being said, as has been mentioned several times, the decision makers are really the problem here. In reality a scrappy 1-0 win vs Brum could be what we need. I remember us starting a Prem season badly and it was a win over Brum that got us moving up the table.
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Jones out
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 25, 2019 8:59:52 GMT
He’ll get the brum game.
We win he’ll stay, anything other he could go.
And make no mistake if we look like we’re in serious danger of going down they’ll make a change.
Back to the third tier of English football would be cataclysmic for our club.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 25, 2019 9:14:14 GMT
It’s amazing really that despite spending lots of cash that we could be looking for our 4th manager in just over 18 months I came into this season really believing that we would make a good fist of things and there was some early promise but yesterday was just a penny dropping moment. The selection was baffling, that Cousins is useless, Gregory runs hard but that’s it, don’t rate Lindsay and CV looked poor, in fact none of Jones’s players this far have looked any good but they all came with glowing reputations so it can only be the shape, training, tactics and I’m afraid nervousness He made 6 changes for yesterday, which tells you despite all the talk about having a team to be proud of he actually doesn’t know himself. Personally I think he’s a dead man walking Shape, training and tactics do we have them? I see no evidence.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 25, 2019 9:39:40 GMT
He needs to go immediately.
His record is appalling for anyone, in any situation, at any level.
It's over for him with the supporters. Any longer and it will turn nasty.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 9:49:29 GMT
At the end of last season the majority were still supporting Jones citing this as a long term appointment and he'd need 2,3 or even 4 windows to turn us round and make us promotion material. 5 games into the season and nearly all of you have jumped ship. Didn't take you long to lose the faith did it.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 25, 2019 9:58:27 GMT
At the end of last season the majority were still supporting Jones citing this as a long term appointment and he'd need 2,3 or even 4 windows to turn us round and make us promotion material. 5 games into the season and nearly all of you have jumped ship. Didn't take you long to lose the faith did it. I was one of them but at this moment it is hard to be confident. We didn’t sign a CDM, Cousins is clearly not up to it and Woods was leaving then suddenly the saviour then out again. The diamond requires mobile centre backs yet Jones has signed Batth and Lindsay. We also seem to have 3 number 10s and a £9m striker not in the 18 plus a £12m striker scoring for fun at Bristol City while we have away our best left back to a Premier League team. Turning things around with a large, low quality squad will not be easy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2019 10:28:03 GMT
New owners ... seriously? The same owners who have spent £60 million on signings since we've been relegated and have green lighted the biggest salary budget of any team ever in the Championship. Are you mad? What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. So because the owners have made some poor recruitment decisions, you want the club sold? You have absolutely no idea who the new owners would be, what their commitment to the club would be and have absolutely no guarantees that even if they were prepared to back the club financially, they'd be any better with their recruitment policy. Our present owners are local, loyal, deeply care for the club and have shown they are more than prepared to financially back the club like no other owners of a Championship club before. I know people are hurting at the moment but really, we need to all step back and take a deep breath for a minute ...
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Jones out
Aug 25, 2019 10:28:33 GMT
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 25, 2019 10:28:33 GMT
He just needs go to basics 4411 4231 play wingers but he’s sure the diamond will work so it’s not going work out for him here
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2019 10:31:25 GMT
yes I have just checked but if we were to get another manager it probably end up hughton and confirming league one football Hughton is a class manager and much better than us as things stand. I think he would come.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 25, 2019 10:32:08 GMT
What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. So because the owners have made some poor recruitment decisions, you want the club sold? You have absolutely no idea who the new owners would be, what their commitment to the club would be and have absolutely no guarantees that even if they were prepared to back the club financially, they'd be any better with their recruitment policy. Our present owners are local, loyal, deeply care for the club and have shown they are more than prepared to financially back the club like no other owners of a Championship club before. I know people are hurting at the moment but really, we need to all step back and take a deep breath for a minute ... That's fair but they need to get some real football expertise in at a senior level. A proper Technical Director.
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2019 10:39:53 GMT
At the end of last season the majority were still supporting Jones citing this as a long term appointment and he'd need 2,3 or even 4 windows to turn us round and make us promotion material. 5 games into the season and nearly all of you have jumped ship. Didn't take you long to lose the faith did it. I don’t think anyone imagined we’d get off to such a bad start though, and there are no signs jones knows what he’s doing, he seems lost at the moment. The players he has signed also look very underwhelming. 13 goals in 5 games, it can’t go on like this otherwise we’ll be mired in a relegation battle by January.
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Post by butler64 on Aug 25, 2019 10:39:53 GMT
At the end of last season the majority were still supporting Jones citing this as a long term appointment and he'd need 2,3 or even 4 windows to turn us round and make us promotion material. 5 games into the season and nearly all of you have jumped ship. Didn't take you long to lose the faith did it. I was one of them but at this moment it is hard to be confident. We didn’t sign a CDM, Cousins is clearly not up to it and Woods was leaving then suddenly the saviour then out again. The diamond requires mobile centre backs yet Jones has signed Batth and Lindsay. We also seem to have 3 number 10s and a £9m striker not in the 18 plus a £12m striker scoring for fun at Bristol City while we have away our best left back to a Premier League team. Turning things around with a large, low quality squad will not be easy. Like everyone else, I desperately want Jones to be successful. Unfortunately, his record is appalling so far. The quality of the squad is going to get progressively worse each season if we can’t get back to the Premier League. Jones has bought in a lot of players but so far they don’t seem to be what we need. Sacking Jones would be disastrous but keeping him could also be the same. We’ve appointed badly and wasted a lot of money on average players. There’s no creativity in the team ,there’s no pace, and there’s no spirit or fight. There’s no confidence in the team. The team changes every game and Jones can’t get a win. I just can’t see Jones turning it around. He talks the talk but so far has delivered nothing. I never thought we’d be in this position but relegation looks a distinct possibility. It just shows how quickly a team can change from being a comfortable mid table Premier League team to one that is potentially nosediving to League 1. If we do sack Jones, we have to get someone experienced in and stick with them. However, I have no idea who that would be. Constantly changing managers is going to destabilise the club even more. The coming weeks are going to be very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 10:48:55 GMT
I was one of them but at this moment it is hard to be confident. We didn’t sign a CDM, Cousins is clearly not up to it and Woods was leaving then suddenly the saviour then out again. The diamond requires mobile centre backs yet Jones has signed Batth and Lindsay. We also seem to have 3 number 10s and a £9m striker not in the 18 plus a £12m striker scoring for fun at Bristol City while we have away our best left back to a Premier League team. Turning things around with a large, low quality squad will not be easy. Like everyone else, I desperately want Jones to be successful. Unfortunately, his record is appalling so far. The quality of the squad is going to get progressively worse each season if we can’t get back to the Premier League. Jones has bought in a lot of players but so far they don’t seem to be what we need. Sacking Jones would be disastrous but keeping him could also be the same. We’ve appointed badly and wasted a lot of money on average players. There’s no creativity in the team ,there’s no pace, and there’s no spirit or fight. There’s no confidence in the team. The team changes every game and Jones can’t get a win. I just can’t see Jones turning it around. He talks the talk but so far has delivered nothing. I never thought we’d be in this position but relegation looks a distinct possibility. It just shows how quickly a team can change from being a comfortable mid table Premier League team to one that is potentially nosediving to League 1. If we do sack Jones, we have to get someone experienced in and stick with them. However, I have no idea who that would be. Constantly changing managers is going to destabilise the club even more. The coming weeks are going to be very interesting. And yet only in january most were saying they were sick of seeing all the old names banded about and how refreshing we went for a hungry low league manager.Now you're advocating we do just that as is everyone else. There's very good reasons these experienced managers are without jobs . I don't know what the answer is but it's not Moyes,Alladyce,Pulis,Pardew or the likes of Steve fucking Bruce who will almost certainly become available in the next month or 2.
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Post by butler64 on Aug 25, 2019 10:57:17 GMT
Like everyone else, I desperately want Jones to be successful. Unfortunately, his record is appalling so far. The quality of the squad is going to get progressively worse each season if we can’t get back to the Premier League. Jones has bought in a lot of players but so far they don’t seem to be what we need. Sacking Jones would be disastrous but keeping him could also be the same. We’ve appointed badly and wasted a lot of money on average players. There’s no creativity in the team ,there’s no pace, and there’s no spirit or fight. There’s no confidence in the team. The team changes every game and Jones can’t get a win. I just can’t see Jones turning it around. He talks the talk but so far has delivered nothing. I never thought we’d be in this position but relegation looks a distinct possibility. It just shows how quickly a team can change from being a comfortable mid table Premier League team to one that is potentially nosediving to League 1. If we do sack Jones, we have to get someone experienced in and stick with them. However, I have no idea who that would be. Constantly changing managers is going to destabilise the club even more. The coming weeks are going to be very interesting. And yet only in january most were saying they were sick of seeing all the old names banded about and how refreshing we went for a hungry low league manager.Now you're advocating we do just that as is everyone else. There's very good reasons these experienced managers are without jobs I don't know what the answer is but it's not Moyes,Alladyce,Pulis,Pardew or the likes of Steve fucking Bruce who will almost certainly become available in the next month or 2. I’m definitely advocating that we get someone in with some experience - maybe get someone in to help him?. Jones was a gamble and I just think that it appears to be too big a step for him. How many games does it take to realise that it’s not working? 3 league wins in the time that has been here is just simply atrocious. I also don’t know the answer and part of me says let’s keep Jones as we need some stability as chopping and changing managers is not going to help. But if we do keep him, we are in real danger of going down.
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Post by thefarpost on Aug 25, 2019 11:08:06 GMT
From seeing the match:
1 Stoke players were slow 2 They gave Leeds loads of space 3 When Stoke had the ball they were frequently 'mobbed' by two or three Leeds players 4 Leed's passing was far better than Stoke's 5 Leed's forwards were not afraid to shoot at goal, Stoke's first shot on target happened in the 76th minute
Substitute Leeds for many of the teams that we have played over the last three years and the same applies
Indidually Stoke's players are good (well, most of them) and have done well at other clubs.
We should look beyond the manager and squad. In any other business the top man and his team would be replaced, but football doesn't always work like that.
My hope is that the club is sold, otherwise League One here we come.
We might be playing Macclesfield or Crewe next year!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 11:10:11 GMT
And yet only in january most were saying they were sick of seeing all the old names banded about and how refreshing we went for a hungry low league manager.Now you're advocating we do just that as is everyone else. There's very good reasons these experienced managers are without jobs I don't know what the answer is but it's not Moyes,Alladyce,Pulis,Pardew or the likes of Steve fucking Bruce who will almost certainly become available in the next month or 2. I’m definitely advocating that we get someone in with some experience - maybe get someone in to help him?. Jones was a gamble and I just think that it appears to be too big a step for him. How many games does it take to realise that it’s not working? 3 league wins in the time that has been here is just simply atrocious. I also don’t know the answer and part of me says let’s keep Jones as we need some stability as chopping and changing managers is not going to help. But if we do keep him, we are in real danger of going down. He's got experience alongside him in Paul Hart,maybe he's just a yes man . There's always that other bloke Jones can call on,what's his name,Mr Willing
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Jones out
Aug 25, 2019 11:11:20 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 25, 2019 11:11:20 GMT
From seeing the match: 1 Stoke players were slow 2 They gave Leeds loads of space 3 When Stoke had the ball they were frequently 'mobbed' by two or three Leeds players 4 Leed's passing was far better than Stoke's 5 Leed's forwards were not afraid to shoot at goal, Stoke's first shot on target happened in the 76th minute Substitute Leeds for many of the teams that we have played over the last three years and the same applies Indidually Stoke's players are good (well, most of them) and have done well at other clubs. We should look beyond the manager and squad. In any other business the top man and his team would be replaced, but football doesn't always work like that. My hope is that the club is sold, otherwise League One here we come. We might be playing Macclesfield or Crewe next year! Or Salford.
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Post by butler64 on Aug 25, 2019 11:14:30 GMT
I’m definitely advocating that we get someone in with some experience - maybe get someone in to help him?. Jones was a gamble and I just think that it appears to be too big a step for him. How many games does it take to realise that it’s not working? 3 league wins in the time that has been here is just simply atrocious. I also don’t know the answer and part of me says let’s keep Jones as we need some stability as chopping and changing managers is not going to help. But if we do keep him, we are in real danger of going down. He's got experience alongside him in Paul Hart,maybe he's just a yes man . There's always that other bloke Jones can call on,what's his name,Mr Willing Mr Willing might be our only hope right now, so let’s hope Jones can make contact 🤣🤣
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 25, 2019 12:21:24 GMT
Just got up and I can’t believe he’s still not been sacked.
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Post by serpico on Aug 25, 2019 12:22:54 GMT
I refuse to criticise the Coates family, they do not deserve any stick, sure they’ve made bad decisions in recent years but they continue to plough money into the club and have the club at heart, i find it bizarre that anyone would want to see them gone, nobody else is going to be as committed as they are/have been.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 13:03:05 GMT
What's the point in having owners that give 60M to a manager that they hand picked to get us promotion, who happens to have never won promotion in his managerial life? It's more than just providing money. Good owners have a strategy, recruit top football people in top positions and either employ people to create a recruitment model, or do it themselves. Our owners have employed all the key people at the club, including the owners son's mate as a Technical Director. They have stood by and watched / designed the expensive pin the tail on the donkey transfer approach that has seen us into this position. That money has been and gone and will never be seen again and it has been wasted by the people the owners employed. They are a huge part of why we are here and make no mistake. People are criticising Jones right now. Who employed a manager with three years experience to come in and sort out a mess that still had remnants of the Hughes and Lambert era, and all of the Rowett era with a squad that was so visibly split? I dare say there are owners up and down the land that have stood back and watched with sheer horror at what our lot have done with Premier League money since we were relegated. I dare say some are frustrated with what they could do with it. The rest, I dare say, are laughing their socks off. So because the owners have made some poor recruitment decisions, you want the club sold? You have absolutely no idea who the new owners would be, what their commitment to the club would be and have absolutely no guarantees that even if they were prepared to back the club financially, they'd be any better with their recruitment policy. Our present owners are local, loyal, deeply care for the club and have shown they are more than prepared to financially back the club like no other owners of a Championship club before. I know people are hurting at the moment but really, we need to all step back and take a deep breath for a minute ... Totally fair points. I wonder how low we have to sink before people start questioning them though? They have made mistake after mistake in a lot of areas of the football side of the business and I know there are nobody more loyal and committed to Stoke City, Stoke on Trent and the whole area. They've created this mess though and nobody can deny that. Their loyalty and money will mean nothing next year in League One with gates of sub 15k. They chose Tony Scholes. They chose Mark Cartwright. They chose every single manager we've had since Pulis. Poor choices with good money thrown at them and it's taken us to the bottom of the Championship. They've shown no inkling of even having the slightest ability to turn this around. Maybe getting rid was a tad too strong Paul but they come under serious scrutiny for me. They've massively underperformed. Money doesn't change that.
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Post by pushon on Aug 25, 2019 13:07:34 GMT
And yet only in january most were saying they were sick of seeing all the old names banded about and how refreshing we went for a hungry low league manager.Now you're advocating we do just that as is everyone else. There's very good reasons these experienced managers are without jobs I don't know what the answer is but it's not Moyes,Alladyce,Pulis,Pardew or the likes of Steve fucking Bruce who will almost certainly become available in the next month or 2. I’m definitely advocating that we get someone in with some experience - maybe get someone in to help him?. Jones was a gamble and I just think that it appears to be too big a step for him. How many games does it take to realise that it’s not working? 3 league wins in the time that has been here is just simply atrocious. I also don’t know the answer and part of me says let’s keep Jones as we need some stability as chopping and changing managers is not going to help. But if we do keep him, we are in real danger of going down. But didn't he bring in Paul Hart as a wise older head?
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Jones out
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Post by scfc75 on Aug 25, 2019 13:10:39 GMT
I was one of them but at this moment it is hard to be confident. We didn’t sign a CDM, Cousins is clearly not up to it and Woods was leaving then suddenly the saviour then out again. The diamond requires mobile centre backs yet Jones has signed Batth and Lindsay. We also seem to have 3 number 10s and a £9m striker not in the 18 plus a £12m striker scoring for fun at Bristol City while we have away our best left back to a Premier League team. Turning things around with a large, low quality squad will not be easy. Like everyone else, I desperately want Jones to be successful. Unfortunately, his record is appalling so far. The quality of the squad is going to get progressively worse each season if we can’t get back to the Premier League. Jones has bought in a lot of players but so far they don’t seem to be what we need. Sacking Jones would be disastrous but keeping him could also be the same. We’ve appointed badly and wasted a lot of money on average players. There’s no creativity in the team ,there’s no pace, and there’s no spirit or fight. There’s no confidence in the team. The team changes every game and Jones can’t get a win. I just can’t see Jones turning it around. He talks the talk but so far has delivered nothing. I never thought we’d be in this position but relegation looks a distinct possibility. It just shows how quickly a team can change from being a comfortable mid table Premier League team to one that is potentially nosediving to League 1. If we do sack Jones, we have to get someone experienced in and stick with them. However, I have no idea who that would be. Constantly changing managers is going to destabilise the club even more. The coming weeks are going to be very interesting. What if that experienced person has only won 3 of their 25 games after taking over? Do we still stick with them?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 25, 2019 13:15:57 GMT
So because the owners have made some poor recruitment decisions, you want the club sold? You have absolutely no idea who the new owners would be, what their commitment to the club would be and have absolutely no guarantees that even if they were prepared to back the club financially, they'd be any better with their recruitment policy. Our present owners are local, loyal, deeply care for the club and have shown they are more than prepared to financially back the club like no other owners of a Championship club before. I know people are hurting at the moment but really, we need to all step back and take a deep breath for a minute ... Totally fair points. I wonder how low we have to sink before people start questioning them though? They have made mistake after mistake in a lot of areas of the football side of the business and I know there are nobody more loyal and committed to Stoke City, Stoke on Trent and the whole area. They've created this mess though and nobody can deny that. Their loyalty and money will mean nothing next year in League One with gates of sub 15k. They chose Tony Scholes. They chose Mark Cartwright. They chose every single manager we've had since Pulis. Poor choices with good money thrown at them and it's taken us to the bottom of the Championship. They've shown no inkling of even having the slightest ability to turn this around. Maybe getting rid was a tad too strong Paul but they come under serious scrutiny for me. They've massively underperformed. Money doesn't change that. I think if we dropped in to League 1 we'd have sub 10k gates not just sub 15k. I genuinely think that. I don't expect many to stick around against the likes of Rochdale and Oxford, whose level we are trying very hard to emulate. As you say mate, the footballing side of things has gone awfully wrong for the family recently, and action needs to be taken. And appointing a good Technical Director and moving Scholes/sacking him would be a good start. They absolutely must come under scrutiny for the situation we find ourselves. And if we did drop to League 1, the club as we know it will be turned up on it's head for a long time to come. You could kiss goodbye to Premier League football for years and years to come.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 25, 2019 13:39:52 GMT
So because the owners have made some poor recruitment decisions, you want the club sold? You have absolutely no idea who the new owners would be, what their commitment to the club would be and have absolutely no guarantees that even if they were prepared to back the club financially, they'd be any better with their recruitment policy. Our present owners are local, loyal, deeply care for the club and have shown they are more than prepared to financially back the club like no other owners of a Championship club before. I know people are hurting at the moment but really, we need to all step back and take a deep breath for a minute ... Totally fair points. I wonder how low we have to sink before people start questioning them though? They have made mistake after mistake in a lot of areas of the football side of the business and I know there are nobody more loyal and committed to Stoke City, Stoke on Trent and the whole area. They've created this mess though and nobody can deny that. Their loyalty and money will mean nothing next year in League One with gates of sub 15k. They chose Tony Scholes. They chose Mark Cartwright. They chose every single manager we've had since Pulis. Poor choices with good money thrown at them and it's taken us to the bottom of the Championship. They've shown no inkling of even having the slightest ability to turn this around. Maybe getting rid was a tad too strong Paul but they come under serious scrutiny for me. They've massively underperformed. Money doesn't change that. I think you've only got to look at a massive club like Manchester United to realise how it easy it is for a board to make a string of bad managerial appointments. I would argue that our board literally LOVE our club, they've made big mistakes yes but I genuinely think we'd be incredibly hard pushed to find better owners.
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Jones out
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 13:44:45 GMT
Totally fair points. I wonder how low we have to sink before people start questioning them though? They have made mistake after mistake in a lot of areas of the football side of the business and I know there are nobody more loyal and committed to Stoke City, Stoke on Trent and the whole area. They've created this mess though and nobody can deny that. Their loyalty and money will mean nothing next year in League One with gates of sub 15k. They chose Tony Scholes. They chose Mark Cartwright. They chose every single manager we've had since Pulis. Poor choices with good money thrown at them and it's taken us to the bottom of the Championship. They've shown no inkling of even having the slightest ability to turn this around. Maybe getting rid was a tad too strong Paul but they come under serious scrutiny for me. They've massively underperformed. Money doesn't change that. I think you've only got to look at a massive club like Manchester United to realise how it easy it is for a board to make a string of bad managerial appointments. I would argue that our board literally LOVE our club, they've made big mistakes yes but I genuinely think we'd be incredibly hard pushed to find better owners. When will you start to question them?
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 25, 2019 13:47:39 GMT
Jones out is only one part of what needs to happen. The second is someone who knows what they are doing - and can sort out the team in the short team to at least be respectable, and has the experience to know how to put in place a management structure for the longer term. It might not be pretty, for a good while. Allardyce Moyes Hughton Bruce The third is that there is no further place for Scholes or Coates in decision making. Whatever ill fitting titles they want to bestow themselves with, there is no place for them in any footballing decision. I can see Jones getting the chop (if for no other reason, the heat is turned up on Scholes/Coates) but I have not faith at all in who they'd bring in. Jones has been one of the very worst appointments of any club in living memory. If there's no further place for Coates in the decision making, who then makes the decisions? Fundamentally, a new org structure, a new composition of board members. Would model on a successful club and employ a DOF and Director of Football Operations, like Leicester for instance - who lead the football related decision making. A job for highly paid management consultants to recommend that!!
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