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Post by sealion100 on Aug 24, 2019 17:01:19 GMT
Spot on !
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Post by sansomonhisarse on Aug 24, 2019 17:01:59 GMT
Do you realky think he ll be sacked after today??!!
Id agree mesen but what will the Coates do.
Vision of tumblweed and wind blowing
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2019 17:02:43 GMT
The next league game. He loses, he goes.
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Post by crowey on Aug 24, 2019 17:03:16 GMT
.... finished. I’ve had enough
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Post by tejstokie on Aug 24, 2019 17:03:51 GMT
Rather Delap be player-coach at least we would have fight again.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 24, 2019 17:03:54 GMT
I'd have given him his P45 when he came out of the dressing room.....he has to go.......now.
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Post by redrob on Aug 24, 2019 17:05:23 GMT
How long will the taxi take
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Post by crowey on Aug 24, 2019 17:06:07 GMT
.... Hughton probably won’t touch us. Moyes saw what a shambles we were on Wednesday night, so that leaves - you guessed it, TP
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Aug 24, 2019 17:06:21 GMT
I genuinely don't think he's out of his depth in the championship. He's out of his depth at Stoke though. That being said, I'm not sure there's a manager we could attract who wouldn't be out of their depth with us because we're a rotten club at the moment from top to bottom. Possibly the only person, and I'll no doubt get slated for this, is Pulis, purely because of his history with the club.
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Post by madeinthepotteries on Aug 24, 2019 17:08:12 GMT
Where does he go from here? That's the question.
Already dropped the big earners so needed a win to justify it. Nowhere to go now and he knows it - he's probably thinking about resigning i should think
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Post by sansomonhisarse on Aug 24, 2019 17:11:28 GMT
Massive wealth and entitlement promote sloth and apathy.
As business people losses are wrote off against the tax bill.
By keeping mr christian in charge it will facilitate the familys accountants.
OUT NOW PULIS OR MOYES IN.
Weve tried the nx generation rowett and jonah and its not working.
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Post by Willoch on Aug 24, 2019 17:14:56 GMT
Tony Pulis is just bound to take over this football club.
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Post by spiderpuss on Aug 24, 2019 17:27:50 GMT
Fairly pointless continuing with Nath. The inevitable might as well happen. The poor fellow couldn't buy a win against a blind ladies side.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 24, 2019 17:38:09 GMT
I think this will be a boardroom battle again.
Coates Jnr versus Coates Senior.
Or PC may adopt the old "you've made your bed ... now lie in it sunshine" strategy.
Nathan needs putting out of his misery. Seriously.
It's going to take a stronger character to sort this mess out.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2019 17:40:01 GMT
After the Derby game I was one of those seeing hopeful green shoots of recovery despite not being able to see out the win our play deserved. However, this optimism was severely dented by Wednesdays poor performance and completely sunk by todaysome toothless, gutless and clueless effort. Within a week Nathan has gone from sounding angry, to almost hysterical to totally deflated and bewildered. I have very reluctantly decided he is all at Sea and has to go sooner rather than later, we need to very quickly get a replacement lined up and whilst the inevitable axe.
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Post by skelman on Aug 24, 2019 18:18:34 GMT
Almost can't remember our last win in the league. Definitely can't remember the last time we had 2 decent halves in the same game and I enjoyed it. Despite the fact that we did compete pretty well for 35 mins today I cannot remember for years seeing the club repeatedly putting out week after week such a porous back line and ineffective midfield that you could drive a battleship through! Leeds played with us after that 1st goal and it could easily have been an absolutely humiliating 5 or 6 nil home defeat but for Federici. I don't think Jones has lost the dressing room completely yet and there was lots of decent effort for 35 minutes or so But there is a stench about the club and it was typified by Ince's reactions when he came on today. It pisses me off when he shrugs his shoulders and gesticulates at the efforts of his team mates or at the referee when he's been so easily manoeuvred off the ball and thinks he's owed a foul. Fcukin hell he constantly pisses me off and probably some of his playing mates too with a whole range of botched contributions he makes! And that attitude of 'I am better than this and should't have to put up with this' is without doubt part of the problem! Ince is just a mediocre journeyman who's never made it anywhere. He steals a living without putting in the graft week on week. I want to see today's starting eleven begin the next 4 games now under Jones but bollocks to your attempts at the diamond because it's shit, we haven't got the staff to play it and it's causing continuous problems because the lads haven't got the time to fcuk about continuing with it before their confidence it totally and absolutely shot to pieces. Maybe Hughes was right when he said 'who else is going to do this job'? Maybe Wilson was right when he said Hughes never carried out any defensive coaching? For sure the coaching, man management and psychological input has to improve rapidly or we will be up totally a creek without a paddle for the rest of the season. 4 games for me with Jones, up to and including Brentford otherwise sorry but P45! |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2019 18:22:52 GMT
Almost can't remember our last win in the league. Definitely can't remember the last time we had 2 decent halves in the same game and I enjoyed it. Despite the fact that we did compete pretty well for 35 mins today I cannot remember for years seeing the club repeatedly putting out week after week such a porous back line and ineffective midfield that you could drive a battleship through! Leeds played with us after that 1st goal and it could easily have been an absolutely humiliating 5 or 6 nil home defeat but for Federici. I don't think Jones has lost the dressing room completely yet and there was lots of decent effort for 35 minutes or so But there is a stench about the club and it was typified by Ince's reactions when he came on today. It pisses me off when he shrugs his shoulders and gesticulates at the efforts of his team mates or at the referee when he's been so easily manoeuvred off the ball and thinks he's owed a foul. Fcukin hell he constantly pisses me off and probably some of his playing mates too with a whole range of botched contributions he makes! And that attitude of 'I am better than this and should't have to put up with this' is without doubt part of the problem! Ince is just a mediocre journeyman who's never made it anywhere. He steals a living without putting in the graft week on week. I want to see today's starting eleven begin the next 4 games now under Jones but bollocks to your attempts at the diamond because it's shit, we haven't got the staff to play it and it's causing continuous problems because the lads haven't got the time to fcuk about continuing with it before their confidence it totally and absolutely shot to pieces. Maybe Hughes was right when he said 'who else is going to do this job'? Maybe Wilson was right when he said Hughes never carried out any defensive coaching? For sure the coaching, man management and psychological input has to improve rapidly or we will be up totally a creek without a paddle for the rest of the season. 4 games for me with Jones, up to and including Brentford otherwise sorry but P45! I hear you fellah but he’s got to go now - it’s the end of the road |
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Post by Linx on Aug 24, 2019 18:24:58 GMT
.... Hughton probably won’t touch us. Moyes saw what a shambles we were on Wednesday night, so that leaves - you guessed it, TP Or BFS? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2019 18:30:38 GMT
I think Hughton would touch us. It's all upside, we can't possibly get worse than this clown has us. Get him in and let's stay up because this fucking idiot is taking us one way only if we don't act now.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 24, 2019 18:32:16 GMT
The players brought in this summer look bang on average. How quickly we attract /recruit dross. Manager and players awful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 18:37:50 GMT
I think Hughton would touch us. It's all upside, we can't possibly get worse than this clown has us. Get him in and let's stay up because this fucking idiot is taking us one way only if we don't act now. ‘I think Hughton would touch us’ There’s surely a better way to word it  |
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 24, 2019 19:02:22 GMT
We've won 18 of our last 89 league games (20.2%). Ace being a Stoke fan. Just magnificent. 2017/18 was 7/38 (18%) 2018/19 was 11/46 (24%) 2019/20 is 0/5 (0%) NJ is 3/25 (12%) in total. And by the way, we've won 1 of our last 16 and none of our last 11. The stats suggest things are only getting worse. "There's nothing wrong with the process". Updated stats above.... Time to go sunshine. |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2019 19:05:03 GMT
Scrap the ‘process’. Bring back TP.
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 24, 2019 19:07:09 GMT
I think Hughton would be our best bet as it stands, pragmatic but can play some decent football as well.
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Post by Northy on Aug 24, 2019 20:03:34 GMT
2 games, unfortunately
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2019 20:09:48 GMT
Scrap the ‘process’. Bring back TP. No, no, no |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 20:09:59 GMT
It should be two games (or it should be two games maximum if the Board are awake) and then make a decision after Brum which gives two weeks with the international break to sort something out.
Having seen how long the Board took to make a decision over Hughes and Rowett we could be looking at mid January again after we've lost in the Cup to lower league opposition yet again.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2019 20:10:43 GMT
It should be two games (or it should be two games maximum if the Board are awake) and then make a decision after Brum which gives two weeks with the international break to sort something out. Having seen how long the Board took to make a decision over Hughes and Rowett we could be looking at mid January again after we've lost in the Cup to lower league opposition yet again. Today |
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 25, 2019 0:21:41 GMT
Bang on the money. The clubs choice of managers has been a disgrace, may as well picked names out of a hat. Firstly, once we relieve Jones of his duties, we need to get rid of those who choose the next manager. Scholes, sacked please, and Coates junior to take a back seat, and bring in a football headhunter to find the right men for a new set up. Then we conduct a full and thorough review of everything at the club and choose a new CEO and a Technical Director to run things in a more professional manner, with a head coach below them. The whole structure, and those in it, have to change. Mezzanine, do you realize how precocious that sounds. What you’re saying is in essence “ hey Coates give us some more of your money ( many Millions) but stuff off we don’t want your input”. If it was my organization, I’d either want to be the big cheese or I’d take my money elsewhere. |
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Post by robstokie on Aug 25, 2019 1:38:35 GMT
I think that it's the end of the road for NJ, don't think there's anyway back from this now. Pretty much all of his signings look poor and or don't fit into the system he wants to play. To come in and have an idea of how you want to set up, and, I'm presuming, the knowledge of what exactly is needed to make it tick, yet bring in a bunch of past it or out of favour journeymen who are no improvement, in fact some are a downgrade in what we have, and continually overlook bright young prospects who offer a bit of hope to us fans and the potential to grow into decent players, is, quite frankly, pure utter lunacy. If he had come in over the summer and this happened, I could understand the need for patience, but knowing that he had half a season as a free hit to apply his 'processes' should have something of an effect by now. The last 2 performances have left us without any hope or any sign that things will turn for the better - were still toothless coming forward and leaky as anything at the back, there's no shape defensively, no bite or aggression or leadership through the middle and no spark or nous up top. Add a fan-base that is toxic, a management structure that is incompetent and a dressing room that is a horrible mix of stroppers, mercenaries who are on better money than virtually every player outside the top 6-8 clubs in the prem, old pros whose legs have gone and a few hard workers who are so limited it's laughable, and we could do so easily become the next Sunderland, Portsmouth, Coventry, Bolton or Ipswich.
The only thing that might save NJ is the fact that Big Sam, Moyes, Hughton, possibly even TP (though his friendship with Coatesy might just away him to come back, even though it would alienate a good section of our fanbase) wouldn't touch this club with a shitty stick. Think we would be really talking the Phil Parkinson's (who wouldnt be that bad a shout in my opinion), Chris Coleman's, Paul Clement's or Paul Jewell's - maybe Alan Pardew if we were lucky. You can rest assured it won't be a young gun, not after NJ or Rowett (who did far better than NJ, I know I'm opening a can of worms saying that, but he would have dragged us higher than we finished after he left, plus we wouldn't be miles off again now), it will be a 'football man'
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