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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 11:01:18 GMT
I personally didn't think promotion should have even been mentioned this season, I think most fans would have been happy with entertaining football, real signs of progress on the pitch and a sense of pride in the team being restored. Up until last night I saw signs of progress albeit the results weren't great, I think last night has knocked the stuffing out of most people because it was so bad. On the flip side though until Butland's error we started well and on the front foot. It's all talk though, we need a couple of victories so everyone associated with the club on and off the pitch can take a deep breath and relax a bit..... Sorry in respect of your 2nd paragraph. I must be one of the few (not the many) who had one expectation this season. A real emphasis on gaining promotion!! Promotion would be great, but ultimately we've got to get into the habit of winning games of football first..... |
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 22, 2019 11:05:08 GMT
3 years
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 22, 2019 11:17:22 GMT
I genuinely don't believe he can survive a pasting on Saturday. It’s certainly a worrying time. Starting all over again with a new broom will set us back immeasurably and we as supporters are expected to “be patient”. Hopefully NJ can turn it around for the benefit of all, non more so than us the supporters. I think it’s stick or twist time with his favoured “diamond”. If he sticks and fails the fall out will be massive, if he twists, changes and does better he’ll be faced with “a told you so scenario” |
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Post by Milkie on Aug 24, 2019 15:31:10 GMT
I feel we may see action sooner rather than later
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 24, 2019 15:57:38 GMT
How long do we give him.....an announcement tonight will do fine
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Post by liamo on Aug 24, 2019 15:58:15 GMT
Hours or minutes?
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Post by davelistersdad on Aug 24, 2019 15:58:36 GMT
Tonight please.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2019 15:59:40 GMT
He'll get the next 2 games to put it right but he should have gone in May.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 24, 2019 16:01:07 GMT
He needs to go now. He clearly has lost the plot. His selection day stunk of panic.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 24, 2019 16:06:15 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones.
The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 16:08:16 GMT
When was the last time we came from behind to win a match ?
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Post by cheshirepotter on Aug 24, 2019 16:10:25 GMT
Some time before his post match interview will do fine
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 24, 2019 16:10:55 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones. The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do Lambert aside, There were tons on here applauding Rowett appointment and the same with Jones. Hindsight is wonderful, but at the time, they were decent appointments. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2019 16:11:37 GMT
That's it - finito Benito
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 24, 2019 16:12:13 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones. The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do Get what your saying but don't see how another manager could do any worse. It's critical now That said Scholes needs to go pronto |
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Post by songthrush01 on Aug 24, 2019 16:14:11 GMT
im going to go to the same pub john coates goes,and tell him im available
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Aug 24, 2019 16:15:27 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones. The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do Get what your saying but don't see how another manager could do any worse. It's critical now That said Scholes needs to go pronto It’s just all so obvious how it’s unfolded since we appointed Lambert. We need a decent management structure before we sack or bring in any new manager otherwise it’s chucking good money after bad. There is no leadership and Scholes needs to be sacked first |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 24, 2019 16:16:07 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones. The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do Bang on the money. The clubs choice of managers has been a disgrace, may as well picked names out of a hat. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 24, 2019 16:22:39 GMT
Jones has proved at Luton that he is a good manager. We still have a lot of left over rubbish from previous signings that must restrict replacement and wages because of fair play rules.
Changing managers hasn't worked, at least we have one who genuinely cares and has enough passion to turn it around. He has shown that big names like Butland can be dropped.
We have had a crap start, today was against the league leaders and sods law means we meet again on Tuesday. Stick with him, we will improve and end up with the sort of side we all want. Get rid bring in one of the usual circus and we will survive also but never thrive. They have no passion and are happy to be sacked, take the money and get appointed somewhere else.
It's hard but major turnarounds are. We have 1 point from 5 games 41 more to play, forget last season and the awful dressing room. Christmas will be the time to panic if we are still bottom 3 which we won't be.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 24, 2019 16:23:18 GMT
Problem is that we sacked Hughes and brought in Lambert and made it worse. Then we sacked Lambert and made it worse with Rowett. Then we sacked Rowett and made it worse with Jones. The person or people responsible for appointing managers haven’t got a clue. Sack Jones who is drowning but I bet it gets worse if we do Bang on the money. The clubs choice of managers has been a disgrace, may as well picked names out of a hat. Firstly, once we relieve Jones of his duties, we need to get rid of those who choose the next manager. Scholes, sacked please, and Coates junior to take a back seat, and bring in a football headhunter to find the right men for a new set up. Then we conduct a full and thorough review of everything at the club and choose a new CEO and a Technical Director to run things in a more professional manner, with a head coach below them. The whole structure, and those in it, have to change. |
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Post by Milkie on Aug 24, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
Bang on the money. The clubs choice of managers has been a disgrace, may as well picked names out of a hat. Firstly, once we relieve Jones of his duties, we need to get rid of those who choose the next manager. Scholes, sacked please, and Coates junior to take a back seat, and bring in a football headhunter to find the right man. Then we conduct a full and thorough review of everything at the club and choose a new CEO and a Technical Director to run things in a more professional manner, with a head coach below them. The whole structure, and those in it, have to change. This, all day long, this |
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 16:25:22 GMT
Scholes, Coates Jnr and Jones all need to go.
I originally thought that we should give Jones 10 games to get 10 points, but his hapless, scatty, clueless thought processes have just go too much for me.
The factors of having two exec members that will only recruit a manager who doesn't threaten their incomptence, the Coates nepotism, and the resulting dimwits that we've had as managers, all needs to end. (Though, am now suspecting Rowett - like Afobe - was better than he showed us).
We need a wise, tough, seasoned guy who is given the keys, with no strings attached. If we somehow could get Allardyce, Bruce or Moyes - perfect. If we can't get them, we probably need a first team manager like Pearson and a Tech Director, the equivalent of Gil. Only then can I see our fall arrested, because the root causes emanate from incompetence in the Boardroom cascading into the compromised choices of senior footballing staff.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 16:31:19 GMT
Jones has proved at Luton that he is a good manager. We still have a lot of left over rubbish from previous signings that must restrict replacement and wages because of fair play rules. Changing managers hasn't worked, at least we have one who genuinely cares and has enough passion to turn it around. He has shown that big names like Butland can be dropped. We have had a crap start, today was against the league leaders and sods law means we meet again on Tuesday. Stick with him, we will improve and end up with the sort of side we all want. Get rid bring in one of the usual circus and we will survive also but never thrive. They have no passion and are happy to be sacked, take the money and get appointed somewhere else. It's hard but major turnarounds are. We have 1 point from 5 games 41 more to play, forget last season and the awful dressing room. Christmas will be the time to panic if we are still bottom 3 which we won't be. The problem is that when he took over - Jones - we had won more than we lost under Rowett. We didn't need "turning around". We were underperforming, but not a dysfunctional, ludicrious rabble. We only now need turning around because of a series of baffling clueless decisions Jones has taken - recruiting second and third rate players, sticking to a sytem that he hasn't got the players for, and subsequently chopping and changing eratically after finding out what anyone with eyes could have told him months ago... that the players he recruited weren't very good. The team are baffled, rudderless, ineffectual, mistaken-ridden. This situation under Jones has a relegation stink. He has created this after 8 months, 26 games, 11 new players and 20m of investment. Enough is enough, truly. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 24, 2019 16:47:55 GMT
Jones has proved at Luton that he is a good manager. We still have a lot of left over rubbish from previous signings that must restrict replacement and wages because of fair play rules. Changing managers hasn't worked, at least we have one who genuinely cares and has enough passion to turn it around. He has shown that big names like Butland can be dropped. We have had a crap start, today was against the league leaders and sods law means we meet again on Tuesday. Stick with him, we will improve and end up with the sort of side we all want. Get rid bring in one of the usual circus and we will survive also but never thrive. They have no passion and are happy to be sacked, take the money and get appointed somewhere else. It's hard but major turnarounds are. We have 1 point from 5 games 41 more to play, forget last season and the awful dressing room. Christmas will be the time to panic if we are still bottom 3 which we won't be. The problem is that when he took over - Jones - we had won more than we lost under Rowett. We didn't need "turning around". We were underperforming, but not a dysfunctional, ludicrious rabble. We only now need turning around because of a series of baffling clueless decisions Jones has taken - recruiting second and third rate players, sticking to a sytem that he hasn't got the players for, and subsequently chopping and changing eratically after finding out what anyone with eyes could have told him months ago... that the players he recruited weren't very good. The team are baffled, rudderless, ineffectual, mistaken-ridden. This situation under Jones has a relegation stink. He has created this after 8 months, 26 games, 11 new players and 20m of investment. Enough is enough, truly. The new players were mainly from this window. Look at the players released, look at those still being paid for nothing. Butland cost us a draw at least against PNE. We weren't baffled etc against Derby but stupid errors cost us. I'm as gutted as you but the likes of Rowett, Lambert Hughes etc are part of a merry go round if managers without passion for the club they are at, they get sacked and earn big pay offs. At least Jones has that passion and has proved his worth. Ignore last season there are still 41 games left of this season, give him longer and see if what he did at Luton was a fluke. Better that than go back to binary football. 123 points left to go at. 😊 |
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Post by sansomonhisarse on Aug 24, 2019 16:55:58 GMT
Hes had half a season last year and we appreciate the job is immense and difficult.
You are Mr and Mrs Coates and family.
How long shall we give him.
I say upto maximum before the christmas games. (No pun intended)
Surely by then hes either turned it round or we are proverbial bottom of poo pile
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 24, 2019 16:56:29 GMT
The problem is that when he took over - Jones - we had won more than we lost under Rowett. We didn't need "turning around". We were underperforming, but not a dysfunctional, ludicrious rabble. We only now need turning around because of a series of baffling clueless decisions Jones has taken - recruiting second and third rate players, sticking to a sytem that he hasn't got the players for, and subsequently chopping and changing eratically after finding out what anyone with eyes could have told him months ago... that the players he recruited weren't very good. The team are baffled, rudderless, ineffectual, mistaken-ridden. This situation under Jones has a relegation stink. He has created this after 8 months, 26 games, 11 new players and 20m of investment. Enough is enough, truly. The new players were mainly from this window. Look at the players released, look at those still being paid for nothing. Butland cost us a draw at least against PNE. We weren't baffled etc against Derby but stupid errors cost us. I'm as gutted as you but the likes of Rowett, Lambert Hughes etc are part of a merry go round if managers without passion for the club they are at, they get sacked and earn big pay offs. At least Jones has that passion and has proved his worth. Ignore last season there are still 41 games left of this season, give him longer and see if what he did at Luton was a fluke. Better that than go back to binary football. 123 points left to go at. 😊 Sorry, I admire the optimism, but I've seen enough! The trajectory towards chaos has been one way since January. There has not been one really redeeming sign in his tenure that makes me think otherwise. In the future, NJ may well emerge, but for now, experience of getting one system to work with lower league players is not relevant to our situation and he is found wanting in providing answers. He's still had much more financial support than 15 possibly 20 managers in this league, so the baggage is not an excuse. Mistakes are his to pre-empt, and if players are not mentally fit, that's down to him to spot. Sporadic mistakes alone are not the reason we are the worst team in, not only the league, but one of the worst in British football at the moment. |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 24, 2019 16:56:40 GMT
It's over
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Post by rivival on Aug 24, 2019 16:57:39 GMT
Is he still here
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 24, 2019 16:59:57 GMT
The new players were mainly from this window. Look at the players released, look at those still being paid for nothing. Butland cost us a draw at least against PNE. We weren't baffled etc against Derby but stupid errors cost us. I'm as gutted as you but the likes of Rowett, Lambert Hughes etc are part of a merry go round if managers without passion for the club they are at, they get sacked and earn big pay offs. At least Jones has that passion and has proved his worth. Ignore last season there are still 41 games left of this season, give him longer and see if what he did at Luton was a fluke. Better that than go back to binary football. 123 points left to go at. 😊 Sorry, I admire the optimism, but I've seen enough! The trajectory towards chaos has been one way since January. There has not been one really redeeming sign in his tenure that makes me think otherwise. In the future, NJ may well emerge, but for now, experience of getting one system to work with lower league players is not relevant to our situation and he is found wanting in providing answers. He's still had much more financial support than 15 possibly 20 managers in this league, so the baggage is not an excuse. Mistakes are his to pre-empt, and if players are not mentally fit, that's down to him to spot. Sporadic mistakes alone are not the reason we are the worst team in, not only the league, but one of the worst in British football at the moment. Let's agree to disagree for now and see what happens. I think we both accept that something has to change and quickly. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 24, 2019 17:01:08 GMT
I'd sack him tonight. It felt like the end today. Nice guy but painfully out of his depth.
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