|
Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2019 20:22:08 GMT
If we don’t beat Leeds he needs to go. He’ll be leaving us adrift otherwise.
|
|
|
Post by Fred Merger on Aug 21, 2019 20:25:00 GMT
Until about 9.45
|
|
|
Post by toptom007 on Aug 21, 2019 20:45:24 GMT
If we don’t beat Leeds he needs to go. He’ll be leaving us adrift otherwise. We know he's gonna lose. So why are we waiting?
|
|
|
Post by philm87 on Aug 21, 2019 20:46:56 GMT
It won't make a difference though will it?
How can a manager legislate for that? Butland has given the opposition a head start in 3 of the 4 games we have played the season and on each occasion we started off the better side.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on Aug 21, 2019 20:48:07 GMT
Can’t wait for Jones post match interview 😬
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:49:15 GMT
It won't make a difference though will it? How can a manager legislate for that? Butland has given the opposition a head start in 3 of the 4 games we have played the season and on each occasion we started off the better side. Or the other sides have been biding their time, allowing us possession and ready to exploit the very obvious weaknesses in our system at the first opportunity...
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:50:01 GMT
It's not just about results now is it?
12 players signed - the manager's choices (at least one of which the manager's already deemed no good)
A diamond that doesn't work
Bizarre subs (classic example tonight)
Undroppable shite players
Constant talking up and then damp squib performances
Idiotic mistakes all over the shop
Getting bossed by players who were at <insert League Two club here> 6 months ago
Allowing players to leave with absolutely no idea of how you're replacing them
3 in 24 👍
Mint.
|
|
|
Post by Milkie on Aug 21, 2019 20:52:55 GMT
Now 3 in 25 league games, admin update the title if you can. Can’t remember times as bad as this. Action needed
|
|
|
Post by philm87 on Aug 21, 2019 20:53:15 GMT
It won't make a difference though will it? How can a manager legislate for that? Butland has given the opposition a head start in 3 of the 4 games we have played the season and on each occasion we started off the better side. Or the other sides have been biding their time, allowing us possession and ready to exploit the very obvious weaknesses in our system at the first opportunity... I think we have loads of problems, but the main one is just not doing the basics and no manager will change that. We are starting every game 0-1 behind and with our confidence shot.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 20:54:22 GMT
Or the other sides have been biding their time, allowing us possession and ready to exploit the very obvious weaknesses in our system at the first opportunity... I think we have loads of problems, but the main one is just not doing the basics and no manager will change that. We are starting every game 0-1 behind and with our confidence shot. Our defence wasn’t that bad end of last season. He’s done something wrong. Too much focus on his stupid fucking diamond probably.
|
|
|
Post by thevoid on Aug 21, 2019 20:54:41 GMT
We're in Chris Kamara territory.
Action needed while there's plenty of time
|
|
|
Post by philm87 on Aug 21, 2019 20:57:56 GMT
I think we have loads of problems, but the main one is just not doing the basics and no manager will change that. We are starting every game 0-1 behind and with our confidence shot. Our defence wasn’t that bad end of last season. He’s done something wrong. Too much focus on his stupid fucking diamond probably. I don't like the diamond at all but that is not the main problem right now. The main problems is things like Jack dropping it into his own goal all the time, Batth not heading a simple ball, Joe Allen missing from two yards etc. It is really basic stuff. So basic that it is impossible to know how to fix it because it is surely something that Sunday League players would do automatically. We can fuck about with formations - and I would certainly scrap the diamond - but for as long as we keep missing own goals and gifting opponents like Butland is at the moment we will keep losing games.
|
|
|
Post by Ron on Aug 21, 2019 21:00:15 GMT
His record would not be tolerated anywhere else. He’ is so full of shit it’s unreal. Like Rowett he has the gift of the gab. Both achieved at a lower level then really rated themselves. Every single one of his signings has been shite. Utter shite. Not signing a left back is unforgivable. We’re in a mess. His selection is clueless. His use of subs is clueless. I know people will say there’s no point changing managers. But a club in free fall needs an experienced head to steady the ship not some lower division billy bullshitter.
|
|
|
Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:00:27 GMT
I was firmly in the "let's give him time" camp. That blip against Wigan and some half-decent stuff against Derby made me think we might have turned the corner.
But, taking the red n white specs off, where we are now has the same feel as our first season at the Brit when we got relegated.
If he insists on sticking with this diamond then he needs a dramatic change in performances and results, and I just can't see that happening.
The manager looks clueless and the players' confidence looks shot. Coates must be thinking about Moyes now.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:33 GMT
Time is up.
The crazy substitutions tonight were the final straw.
|
|
|
Post by mrred on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:42 GMT
Jones' reign is making Rowett's like like a fucking golden age renaissance.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:01:43 GMT
Our defence wasn’t that bad end of last season. He’s done something wrong. Too much focus on his stupid fucking diamond probably. I don't like the diamond at all but that is not the main problem right now. The main problems is things like Jack dropping it into his own goal all the time, Batth not heading a simple ball, Joe Allen missing from two yards etc. It is really basic stuff. So basic that it is impossible to know how to fix it because it is surely something that Sunday League players would do automatically. We can fuck about with formations - and I would certainly scrap the diamond - but for as long as we keep missing own goals and gifting opponents like Butland is at the moment we will keep losing games. Which is why I think drop the “complicated” formation. Go 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 and focus on the basics.
|
|
|
Post by Miles Offside on Aug 21, 2019 21:02:38 GMT
If NJ insists on sticking with the diamond, no matter what, then - barring a remarkable turn-around in performances and results - he'll be doing a Rowett. I agree. The diamond is a bit shit, isn't it? At least our version of it so far. It certainly is. We'd look a very different proposition with a 4-4-2.
|
|
|
Post by citynickscfc on Aug 21, 2019 21:02:59 GMT
I don't like the diamond at all but that is not the main problem right now. The main problems is things like Jack dropping it into his own goal all the time, Batth not heading a simple ball, Joe Allen missing from two yards etc. It is really basic stuff. So basic that it is impossible to know how to fix it because it is surely something that Sunday League players would do automatically. We can fuck about with formations - and I would certainly scrap the diamond - but for as long as we keep missing own goals and gifting opponents like Butland is at the moment we will keep losing games. Which is why I think drop the “complicated” formation. Go 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 and focus on the basics. you mean like, actually scouting the opposition and working on tactics? crikey, that's asking a lot.
|
|
|
Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2019 21:03:21 GMT
I am Speechless.
Not got a clue.
Full of optimism but now I concede. Jones and we don’t have a clue.
I have seen better games on a Sunday morning in the local parks.
|
|
|
Post by thehoof on Aug 21, 2019 21:03:35 GMT
Christmas- by then we will have seen some improvement or we will be down anyway.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 21, 2019 21:04:55 GMT
If we don't win on Sat Coates needs to get straight on the phone to Hughton.
|
|
|
Post by skelman on Aug 21, 2019 21:17:02 GMT
I think we have loads of problems, but the main one is just not doing the basics and no manager will change that. We are starting every game 0-1 behind and with our confidence shot. Our defence wasn’t that bad end of last season. He’s done something wrong. Too much focus on his stupid fucking diamond probably. Christ our defence was far better under Paul Lambert! And our effort, commitment and application was better then too even though we ended up being relegated 🥴 Manage man!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:23:38 GMT
Jones has to go His system doesn't work - his record tells you that. We've been unlucky in a couple of times but 2wins out of 23 and against this calibre of opposition is abysmal. He must be expecting it. He is a nice guy but not for Stoke. Another mistake Peter!
|
|
|
Post by skelman on Aug 21, 2019 21:35:10 GMT
Jones has to go His system doesn't work - his record tells you that. We've been unlucky in a couple of times but 2wins out of 23 and against this calibre of opposition is abysmal. He must be expecting it. He is a nice guy but not for Stoke. Another mistake Peter! Did David Moyes just wake up this morning and think “where can I go then for a good wet Wednesday night out”? 🙄 Hmmmmmm!
|
|
|
Post by FrankButcher on Aug 21, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
Jones has to go His system doesn't work - his record tells you that. We've been unlucky in a couple of times but 2wins out of 23 and against this calibre of opposition is abysmal. He must be expecting it. He is a nice guy but not for Stoke. Another mistake Peter! Wasn't Jones and Rowett both John's choices??
|
|
|
Post by philm87 on Aug 21, 2019 21:54:35 GMT
I don't like the diamond at all but that is not the main problem right now. The main problems is things like Jack dropping it into his own goal all the time, Batth not heading a simple ball, Joe Allen missing from two yards etc. It is really basic stuff. So basic that it is impossible to know how to fix it because it is surely something that Sunday League players would do automatically. We can fuck about with formations - and I would certainly scrap the diamond - but for as long as we keep missing own goals and gifting opponents like Butland is at the moment we will keep losing games. Which is why I think drop the “complicated” formation. Go 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 and focus on the basics. Yep agreed. Our players are so hopeless everything needs to be simplified for them. I suppose with Leeds we will make whatever exceptions are necessary to win the game. In the long run though we have so many central midfielders it will be hard to make 4-4-2 work.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:55:40 GMT
Jones has to go His system doesn't work - his record tells you that. We've been unlucky in a couple of times but 2wins out of 23 and against this calibre of opposition is abysmal. He must be expecting it. He is a nice guy but not for Stoke. Another mistake Peter! Wasn't Jones and Rowett both John's choices?? Yes. Peter would an an old school no nonsense dinosaur and that, quite frankly, is what we need right now
|
|
|
Post by sheriffofrockridge on Aug 21, 2019 21:56:02 GMT
We've won 18 of our last 88 league games (20.45%). Ace being a Stoke fan. Just magnificent.
2017/18 was 7/38 (18%) 2018/19 was 11/46 (24%) 2019/20 is 0/4 (0%)
NJ is 3/24 (13%) in total. And by the way, we've won 1 of our last 15 and none of our last 10.
The stats suggest things are only getting worse.
"There's nothing wrong with the process".
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 21:56:21 GMT
Jones has to go His system doesn't work - his record tells you that. We've been unlucky in a couple of times but 2wins out of 23 and against this calibre of opposition is abysmal. He must be expecting it. He is a nice guy but not for Stoke. Another mistake Peter! Did David Moyes just wake up this morning and think “where can I go then for a good wet Wednesday night out”? 🙄 Hmmmmmm! He watches Preston regularly......
|
|