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Post by Milkie on Aug 3, 2019 20:31:16 GMT
With the chairman down to the cleaner stating that promotion is this seasons aim, they can not fail to be alarmed by NJs record. So with this seasons objective and NJs current record in mind how on earth do you play this one? Do we go for the he will turn it around approach and use Christmas as a cut off?, do we accept that the task is huge and re-define this seasons objective? or do we follow the much trodden path of crisis clubs and sack him sooner rather than later?
I honestly don’t have a clue how I feel about this, maybe the last 2 1/2 seasons have dumbed my SCFC senses, but apart from the self depreciating humour of another lame performance and defeat, I find myself caring less, and erring towards, just accept until we have got rid of all the deadwood, which may take 3 years, sorted out the finances and back room then our target is to survive in the championship. Strange times
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 3, 2019 20:33:34 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 3, 2019 20:37:49 GMT
If we even think about it we should review who hired him and then fire them as they got lambert snd Rowett wrong , then Appoint a football steeped technical director to help him said on the day if his appointment which I didn’t want we absolutrky cannot make him the next scapegoat
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Post by maxdecarlo on Aug 3, 2019 21:40:02 GMT
Jones is clueless he was a garbage appointment and Must go but the idiots in charge will not act until it’s too late.....he is their ideal appointment and buys them time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 21:44:25 GMT
It depends on who the replacement is?
It's all well and good saying x wins in y but who appointed him and so on? The longer we stay in this division we are only ever a bad appointment away from League One. At the current owners hit rate that could well be the next one.
For now though, we should just all calm down and see what happens in the first ten games of this season and re-assess.
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Post by march4 on Aug 3, 2019 21:53:53 GMT
His time is rapidly coming to an end.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 3, 2019 22:04:41 GMT
While i was not in favour of NJ, I am not in favour of lurching either. He's bought and integrated a lot of players - That always takes time to settle - And there is a bigger job still going on in the background.
So, would have targets something like this, with concern being proportional to how far below them he is:-
5 games - 5pts needed 10 games - 12 pts needed. 20 games - 25 pts needed 30 games - 40 pts needed 40 games - 56 pts needed 46 games - 66 pts needed
Ending about 10th-12th and on the up.
I can't take seriously the idea that we are aspiring for promotion with the work needed on this squad, both on and off the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 22:05:45 GMT
I'm quoting those 3 games on a frequent basis myself, but really with 7 or more new players, they and the sequence really don't matter. He really started just today; it may in time come to be seen as the beginning of the end, but for now it's only a beginning. I think we should be very careful about getting rid of yet another manager.
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Post by rivival on Aug 3, 2019 22:33:35 GMT
While i was not in favour of NJ, I am not in favour of lurching either. He's bought and integrated a lot of players - That always takes time to settle - And there is a bigger job still going on in the background. So, would have targets something like this, with concern being proportional to how far below them he is:- 5 games - 5pts needed 10 games - 12 pts needed. 20 games - 25 pts needed 30 games - 40 pts needed 40 games - 56 pts needed 46 games - 66 pts needed Ending about 10th-12th and on the up. I can't take seriously the idea that we are aspiring for promotion with the work needed on this squad, both on and off the pitch. No one who counts themselves as sane can seriously consider us as promotion candidates after 5 seasons of absolute diabolical shit and a managerial roundabout worthy of a soap opera. A top half finish without the threat of relegation has to be seen as a good target. Anything less and we're back in for another candidate, anything more and we have found our messiah.
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 3, 2019 22:35:43 GMT
First 10 games if the next 9 are anything like today. Honestly not past Christmas if we're still below mid-table
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 3, 2019 22:41:33 GMT
I think as long as we stay in the top 16 and he hasn’t lost the dressing room he gets at least the whole season. The front office is enamored of NJ and will likely ride this appointment wherever it takes us. I too was not on the NJ bandwagon when he came aboard but as long as he keeps us in the Championship and we can see progress we need to err on the side of stability and make sure this group of players know that the FO is backing the manager. To sack him this season gives these players a pass.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 22:48:12 GMT
I'm sick of the shit he talks already Bad appointment by management team that hasn't got a clue
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Post by greystokie on Aug 3, 2019 22:50:52 GMT
My decision would hinge on how he reacts to the obvious limitations and deficiencies of playing a diamond formation with the current group of players. If he drops players who are clearly unable to perform in that line up then I'd back him but if he refuses to change then I'd have him pack his bags.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 3, 2019 22:52:30 GMT
It depends on how seriously Jones and the board have discussed the promotion that he said was the aim in the week. If it becomes horrifically bad after coming out saying that then who knows? I didn’t think they’d bin Rowett off but they did.
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Post by musik on Aug 3, 2019 23:01:37 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable. I think if we just get 2-4 draws = points in the next 10 league matches, he'll be replaced. Not until then! But I have a feeling we'll get 3 wins out of those 10 games somewhere - in a row. Don't ask me why.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 3, 2019 23:08:47 GMT
Unless we're relegated, a minimum of two years. What's the point in investing in a long term project if you just sack everybody when it doesn't immediately work?
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 3, 2019 23:22:54 GMT
I can't listen to him, that accent grinds my gears, I don't mind reading what he said though, bollocks or not. As a club we are sinking fast, god only knows how to turn this around. We started today like a house on fire, fast, enthusiastic good passing everyone up for it, but the minute Jack had his mindfucking cluster bollocks of a clearance our heads went, totally and collectively, and the whole crowd picked up on it. Here we go again....... Backs against the wall with a forward line that wouldn't trouble Meir CA of the 70's even now. Where on earth do we go from here, the 2008'ers must wonder what planet they are on!
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 3, 2019 23:44:32 GMT
Its premature, I know, but the next big question is:- if the diamond really isn't going to work for the reasons we all know, then will NJ change it in time?
Its a fundamental fact that we need a system that best suits our best players. And that's tricky because, our best players (from past performances) include Ince, Woods, N'Diaye and Clucas - who have hardly been stellar - as well as Etebo.
Perhaps the challenge NJ ought to adopt now though is to get players who have proven their ability to be good or outstanding Champs players playing to their potential, using whatever system it takes, rather than seeing the challenge as fitting everyone into the diamond, irrespective of what they are good at.
If I was sitting down now with NJ over a scotch, i think i'd be suggesting:- there is a good chance the diamond won't work and it will cost you your job sooner or later. You might want to consider, for the rest of the window, any players you might need to make a fist of a Plan B. Personally, I'd be after a left sided, goal scoring attacking midfielder with some pace and guile, (backed up by Verlinden); and trying to persuade N'Diaye to give it one last shot.
Just in case of course. Otherwise, am not sure he'll have anywhere to go if it doesn't click.
Something like.... Butland Edwards Batth Lindsay Clucas Etebo N'Diaye Ince Powell ???? Gregory or Campbell
???? = Loan for Harry Wilson, Robbie Brady, Jordan Ibe, Tom Lawrence, Junior Hoilett, ....
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 4, 2019 0:11:51 GMT
I want him to succeed and hopefully he’ll be given of time but he’s fucked if he starts throwing his players under the bus.
I didn’t like his interview and responses to why he played Collins today. He was hesitant and stated that injuries forced his hand.
He needs to be more measured and consistent with his media statements
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Post by nott1 on Aug 4, 2019 6:10:42 GMT
With the chairman down to the cleaner stating that promotion is this seasons aim, they can not fail to be alarmed by NJs record. So with this seasons objective and NJs current record in mind how on earth do you play this one? Do we go for the he will turn it around approach and use Christmas as a cut off?, do we accept that the task is huge and re-define this seasons objective? or do we follow the much trodden path of crisis clubs and sack him sooner rather than later? I honestly don’t have a clue how I feel about this, maybe the last 2 1/2 seasons have dumbed my SCFC senses, but apart from the self depreciating humour of another lame performance and defeat, I find myself caring less, and erring towards, just accept until we have got rid of all the deadwood, which may take 3 years, sorted out the finances and back room then our target is to survive in the championship. Strange times Why persevere with a lame duck manager?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 4, 2019 6:16:51 GMT
We need to stick with him till at least Xmas otherwise we’ll have another manager stuck with someone else’s players.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 4, 2019 6:18:19 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable. What bloody good is 4 wins in 10, this club needs to do lot more than that. He is as hapless as Rowett!
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 4, 2019 6:20:08 GMT
We don’t want to be getting into the Sunderland situation and dropping like a stone but yesterday’s performance was awful , can we get any worse ?
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Post by mrred on Aug 4, 2019 6:21:03 GMT
I would have said 2 seasons or 3 transfer windows. We're still in a right fucking mess and have been for over 3 years. That needs consistency.
However he's completely shit the bed with his constant promises and big talk. He's fucked himself over from day one.
- Having a team to be proud of. - Fast paced, attacking football - Luton were the second highest scorers in the FL behind Man City, watch this space. - Next season will be different. - Big change in culture from top to bottom. - Players look exceptional in training / pre-season
Then we get the same shit as last season, yesterday? Couldnt have failed harder if he tried. I want this to work out because wherever we go from there managerial wise is scary. But fuck me if he hasn't set himself up for a fail. The chest pumping after the Leeds game said it all to me. He looked absolutely fucking terrified during his interview post match.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 4, 2019 6:21:16 GMT
I'm waiting until Thursday to see if the clubs real plan was to sell the highest paid players and then to expect Jones to put a team together of free agents and academy players. We've spent 6 million. Plus no player is completely free. So far in 1 million for Pieters and money from clubs loaning our players. I'm happy to give Jones this season or until we are relegation candidates towards the end of the season. Are you Mrs Jones 😎
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Post by future100 on Aug 4, 2019 6:25:57 GMT
Thought he sounded hesitant and shaken when Nigel interviewed him after the match.
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Post by questionable on Aug 4, 2019 6:28:19 GMT
I'm sick of the shit he talks already Bad appointment by management team that hasn't got a clue Spot on, thinking about it’s a pathetic appointment. Obviously he wanted to play his way and we probably had a few players that would fit into his plans at most, plus given the fact he was tasked with getting rid of players and getting rid of the bad eggs. It’s massive massive clanger by the Coates family IMO by employing a manager who plays, well allegedly plays a certain way then expecting results with the shower of con artists on display yesterday. Without doubt Sunderland mk2 on the way.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 4, 2019 6:39:23 GMT
The club have allowed him to sign 9 players. This is a long term project and unless things go substantially pear shaped the board are going to give him that time. He is trying to change the whole culture of a club that's been rotten for three years or more. We really can't keep sacking managers after half a season.
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2019 6:43:51 GMT
If we even think about it we should review who hired him and then fire them as they got lambert snd Rowett wrong , then Appoint a football steeped technical director to help him said on the day if his appointment which I didn’t want we absolutrky cannot make him the next scapegoat You're talking about Jonathan Coates. How exactly is he going to be fired?
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Aug 4, 2019 7:20:13 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable. What bloody good is 4 wins in 10, this club needs to do lot more than that. He is as hapless as Rowett! 4 wins out of 10 would be a great return compared to his current record of 3 from 22!
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