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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 22:36:54 GMT
If he doesn't win one of the next 2 games he'll be gone. He has to win the next three games to get us to 10 points from 10 games which is what we were on at the same stage last season under Rowett. Personally, I think we're fucked. Indeed we are , we’ve simply not the players we might have too many footballers but we don’t have enough good enough to survive aT this level , our forward line is candidly pathetic and a true reflection of the process and those that extol and run it
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Post by Milkie on Sept 14, 2019 22:38:10 GMT
If I’m been completely candid, i’m worn down by embarrassment, lack of enthusiasm, any sense of hope, Saturday’s are just shit
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2019 22:38:10 GMT
If he doesn't win one of the next 2 games he'll be gone. He has to win the next three games to get us to 10 points from 10 games which is what we were on at the same stage last season under Rowett. Personally, I think we're fucked. If we get Hughton in after 9 games and say 8 points adrift there's enough time to turn it around. He's a good manager, we've got a decent squad, it'll he OK.
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 14, 2019 22:40:08 GMT
For me there was one real positive today, namely Badou.
Needless to say, we've got to twiddle our thumbs until Jones disappears, hopefully ASAP. But a decent manager who knows what they are doing could really work with Etebo and N'Diaye in the centre.
Would go for 4231 or 442 on the grounds its simple - and a motivated N'Diaye solves a giant problem.
Fed Ed Collins Batth Clucas Duffy Etebo N'Diaye Ince Gregory Vokes
...on the basis that 1) we are playing Duffy, Ince in positions where they have historically been very productive; 2) that Gregory has looked our best forward so far this season, but also both Vokes and Gregory would be be a handful with crosses - whether from wingers or deeper and getting knock downs. (moving to Hogan-Gregory and Hogan-Campbell later in games to use pace). 3) Its a simple system - and probably not a pretty system - until we get the basics right. Whether its Pulis, Hughton, Pearson, there is enough of both solidity and creativity in that to be getting the 50pts odd we need.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2019 22:40:20 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2019 22:42:29 GMT
He has to win the next three games to get us to 10 points from 10 games which is what we were on at the same stage last season under Rowett. Personally, I think we're fucked. If we get Hughton in after 9 games and say 8 points adrift there's enough time to turn it around. He's a good manager, we've got a decent squad, it'll he OK. And if we don't get Hughton?
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 14, 2019 22:44:06 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately Don't think it needs saying really that Jones would definitely take us down. if Jones stays another 5-6 games i'd be hugely worried for relegation. If he goes now, and presuming the appointment is at least competent, it might not be pretty, but think we'd survive. Little more than survive. Did some stats for the last 10 seasons and the club bottom after 6 games goes down 30% of the time. So its probably now gone up to about 32% after today. So its still 2 in 3 we are okay. If we are in the bottom 3 after about 12-13 games, its 50-50.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 22:44:48 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately Yes. This occurred to me on the way home. I think we are now in a lot of trouble. 7 games 1 point GD-10 is not acceptable at any club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2019 22:44:50 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately I’m nicking this for twitter 😂 Utterly frightening
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2019 22:48:59 GMT
If we get Hughton in after 9 games and say 8 points adrift there's enough time to turn it around. He's a good manager, we've got a decent squad, it'll he OK. And if we don't get Hughton? Well that's another story but I'm very confident we will. We're massively underachieving with this squad and have been for a long time. I'm sure he'll look at it and think he can sort it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 22:51:21 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately I’m nicking this for twitter 😂 Utterly frightening I’m revising my 52 point August forecast down in a range of 5-10 now I think we all know what that means . No change in manager will amend that as the process has delivered a playing squad totally unfit for purpose . Only the removal of the chief executive and the arrival in the boardroom of proper football insight will change that
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Post by s8to on Sept 14, 2019 22:56:01 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately Don't think it needs saying really that Jones would definitely take us down. if Jones stays another 5-6 games i'd be hugely worried for relegation. If he goes now, and presuming the appointment is at least competent, it might not be pretty, but think we'd survive. Little more than survive. Did some stats for the last 10 seasons and the club bottom after 6 games goes down 30% of the time. So its probably now gone up to about 32% after today. So its still 2 in 3 we are okay. If we are in the bottom 3 after about 12-13 games, its 50-50. Given we are owned by bookies, surely they should see this and at the very least play the odds to avoid this?
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 14, 2019 22:56:38 GMT
Even now to avoid relegation we need probably another 49 points from 39 games🤔so based on that we need around the 13 win mark and say 10 draws.That means 23 out of the 39 games unbeaten😄With Nathan Jones in charge I just don’t see that happening unfortunately We have a weak and unbalanced squad, but I still think at this level we have enough in there to average a point a game with an experienced man at the helm. Which is why I dont get this shall we give him another 4 games and if he loses them all then we will give some other chappy a shot. He has to go now/tonight every game he is here and losing is another nail in the coffin both on the master scoreboard and confidence being totally shot. If we lose the next 4 we coud be 9 or 10pts adrift and already down. What the feck are the board playing at. They sacked Rowett for underachieving when he had 1 window and scored 36pts in 25 games. NJ has had 2 windows and nearly 30 games and accumulated half the points Rowett achieved and they somehow think he is not underachieving and worth persisting with. I don't get it - bizarre club
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2019 22:57:12 GMT
I’m nicking this for twitter 😂 Utterly frightening I’m revising my 52 point August forecast down in a range of 5-10 now I think we all know what that means . No change in manager will amend that as the process has delivered a playing squad totally unfit for purpose . Only the removal of the chief executive and the arrival in the boardroom of proper football insight will change that The Chief Executive doesn't let the ball slip through his hands. He doesn't miss penalties. He does let the ball bounce instead of heading it clear. He doesn't allow a player to cross a ball into our box unchallenged. He doesn't miss open goals or get himself sent off because he can't control a football.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2019 23:02:59 GMT
I’m revising my 52 point August forecast down in a range of 5-10 now I think we all know what that means . No change in manager will amend that as the process has delivered a playing squad totally unfit for purpose . Only the removal of the chief executive and the arrival in the boardroom of proper football insight will change that The Chief Executive doesn't let the ball slip through his hands. He doesn't miss penalties. He does let the ball bounce instead of heading it clear. He doesn't allow a player to cross a ball into our box unchallenged. He doesn't miss open goals or get himself sent off because he can't control a football. Problem is some people look at it and think it can't possibly be the fault of the last 4 managers it has to be some fucker else. Truth of the matter is it is exactly the fault of the last 4 managers in different ways and to varying degrees. A competent, experienced manager would have sorted this shit out. The chief exec doesn't pick the managers on his own.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 23:03:43 GMT
I’m revising my 52 point August forecast down in a range of 5-10 now I think we all know what that means . No change in manager will amend that as the process has delivered a playing squad totally unfit for purpose . Only the removal of the chief executive and the arrival in the boardroom of proper football insight will change that The Chief Executive doesn't let the ball slip through his hands. He doesn't miss penalties. He does let the ball bounce instead of heading it clear. He doesn't allow a player to cross a ball into our box unchallenged. He doesn't miss open goals or get himself sent off because he can't control a football. He runs the process that selects the manager , and the players , he runs the club that’s lost £30m one year and it’s status in the premier league, spent £50m the next in getting worse , lost £100m revenue stream , spent £190m of owner funds on now unsellable assets and sets the business culture from tip to bottom by example and key recruitment
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2019 23:11:52 GMT
The Chief Executive doesn't let the ball slip through his hands. He doesn't miss penalties. He does let the ball bounce instead of heading it clear. He doesn't allow a player to cross a ball into our box unchallenged. He doesn't miss open goals or get himself sent off because he can't control a football. He runs the process that selects the manager , and the players , he runs the club that’s lost £30m one year and it’s status in the premier league, spent £50m the next in getting worse , lost £100m revenue stream , spent £190m of owner funds on now unsellable assets and sets the business culturhe from tip to bottom by example and key recruitment And how much credit did you give him when he oversaw promotion, seven or eight good years in the Premier League, an FA Cup Final, European football and three top ten finishes?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 23:18:43 GMT
He runs the process that selects the manager , and the players , he runs the club that’s lost £30m one year and it’s status in the premier league, spent £50m the next in getting worse , lost £100m revenue stream , spent £190m of owner funds on now unsellable assets and sets the business culture from tip to bottom by example and key recruitment And how much credit did you give to him when he oversaw promotion, seven or eight good years in the Premier League, an FA Cup Final and European football? Said before business moves on Freddie laker did well in his day but went bust spectacularly as the market moved and you wouldn’t let him run a model aeroplane today if alive , this is the same past success especially when it brings deluded complacency and arrogance counts for nothing in an evolving market , 4 years of continuous failure and denial merits dismissal and the continued presence of that management funded by unsustainable ownership support means decline will only follow decline
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2019 23:20:05 GMT
And how much credit did you give to him when he oversaw promotion, seven or eight good years in the Premier League, an FA Cup Final and European football? Said before business moves on Freddie laker did well in his day but went bust spectacularly as the market moved and you wouldn’t let him run a model aeroplane today if alive , this is the same past success especially when it brings deluded complacency and arrogance counts for nothing in an evolving market , 4 years of continuous failure and denial merits dismissal and the continued presence of that management funded by unsustainable ownership support means decline will only follow decline Word Soup
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 0:09:21 GMT
4 wins from 34 games 18 wins in 91 league games 1 league win in 18 None in 13
Yet it's the fans' fault for moaning 😂 This fuckwit is making Chris Kamara look competent
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 15, 2019 0:10:56 GMT
Don't think it needs saying really that Jones would definitely take us down. if Jones stays another 5-6 games i'd be hugely worried for relegation. If he goes now, and presuming the appointment is at least competent, it might not be pretty, but think we'd survive. Little more than survive. Did some stats for the last 10 seasons and the club bottom after 6 games goes down 30% of the time. So its probably now gone up to about 32% after today. So its still 2 in 3 we are okay. If we are in the bottom 3 after about 12-13 games, its 50-50. Given we are owned by bookies, surely they should see this and at the very least play the odds to avoid this? If they looking at the odds, they would have looked at which managers/DOFs are getting teams up and would have recognised that they come with three sorts of experience. 1) An intimate understanding of their own players and what makes them tick, from having got them promoted from L1: Howe and Wilder 2) An intimate knowledge of what it takes to get a team promoted before from this league: Hughton, Warnock, Bruce. Jokanavic, Dyke 3) A good knowledge of elite performance gained from having a senior footballing position in a top/wealthy/successful club or international set up: Farke/Webber, Wagner, Gil (Villa DOF), Espirito Santo, Benitez, Karanka. In the last 5 seasons, the one exception has been Alex Neil at Norwich (15/16). They would have then examined the odds of plucking a L1 manager - with no experience in the Championship or of a league of similar or better standard - and doing well in the Champs. Recent examples of where boards have done this are relatively rarer than you might expect: I might have missed a couple, but these are the ones i found since about 2012. - Paul Hurst at Ipswich (17/18) got them relegated.
- Paul Trollope at Cardiff in May 2016 who was sacked after winning 2 in 12 at Cardiff.
- Lee Johnson is the best success story, taking over relegation threatened Bristol City from Barnsley in Feb 2016 and overseeing an admirable evolution ever since.
- Warren Joyce took over Wigan in Nov 16 after coaching in Belgium and was sacked after winning 6 in 24.
- Dean Smith got the Brentford job in Nov 15 after being at Walsall and did what was seen as a good job there to build a mid table team - though, at a similar time as they appointed a sports science company owner, Phil Giles and bought about 10 new players, so questionable who drove this success!?.
- Gary Caldwell took over Wigan in 2015 with no past experience, when they were 23rd in April and took them down.
- Kit Symons took over ambitious Fulham on the back of caretaker roles at Palace and Colchester (and 9 games at Fulham), and was sacked 13mths later having won 22 and lost 25, with Fulham 12th.
- David Hockaday took over Leeds in June 2014 on the back of success at Forest Green and was sacked after 6 games.
- Russel Slade did okay with Cardiff after taking over in 2014 - getting them to 2 mid table finishes after taking over from L2 Orient, but which wasn't deemed good enough.
- Neil Redfearn took over Leeds after being Academy Head, and was sacked after 11 wins and 15 defeats in 33 with the owner calling him "weak" and a "baby" over handling of the squad.
- Paul Dickov took over newly prompted Doncaster, having managed Oldham in L1. They survived for a year with the promotion team and were then relegated and he was sacked.
- Lee Clarke took over Birmingham in 2012 after managing L1 Huddersfield and getting them into the PO finals twice - He did okayish for a year and then sacked with Birmingham 21st. He had another stab at Blackpool in the Champs, where he achieved a 9% win ratio in 33 games and was sacked again (Sound familiar?).
Not all abject failures, but failure is rarer than success, and there is barely a sniff of promotion in all this - So, if you were the board of a Champs side aspiring for promotion, what would you conclude about the odds for Jones succeeding with promotion?
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 15, 2019 0:15:12 GMT
4 wins from 34 games 18 wins in 91 league games Yet it's the fans' fault for moaning 😂 This fuckwit is making Chris Kamara look competent Its 3 wins in 27 League games for NJ. This is not meant to be a case for the defendant by the way!
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Post by thevoid on Sept 15, 2019 0:21:06 GMT
4 wins from 34 games 18 wins in 91 league games Yet it's the fans' fault for moaning 😂 This fuckwit is making Chris Kamara look competent Its 3 wins in 27 League games for NJ. This is not meant to be a case for the defendant by the way! It'd be a pretty poor defence, I'd want another lawyer!
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 15, 2019 0:35:12 GMT
Given we are owned by bookies, surely they should see this and at the very least play the odds to avoid this? If they looking at the odds, they would have looked at which managers/DOFs are getting teams up and would have recognised that they come with three sorts of experience. 1) An intimate understanding of their own players and what makes them tick, from having got them promoted from L1: Howe and Wilder 2) An intimate knowledge of what it takes to get a team promoted before from this league: Hughton, Warnock, Bruce. Jokanavic, Dyke 3) A good knowledge of elite performance gained from having a senior footballing position in a top/wealthy/successful club or international set up: Farke/Webber, Wagner, Gil (Villa DOF), Espirito Santo, Benitez, Karanka. In the last 5 seasons, the one exception has been Alex Neil at Norwich (15/16). They would have then examined the odds of plucking a L1 manager - with no experience in the Championship or of a league of similar or better standard - and doing well in the Champs. Recent examples of where boards have done this are relatively rarer than you might expect: I might have missed a couple, but these are the ones i found since about 2012. - Paul Hurst at Ipswich (17/18) got them relegated.
- Paul Trollope at Cardiff in May 2016 who was sacked after winning 2 in 12 at Cardiff.
- Lee Johnson is the best success story, taking over relegation threatened Bristol City from Barnsley in Feb 2016 and overseeing an admirable evolution ever since.
- Warren Joyce took over Wigan in Nov 16 after coaching in Belgium and was sacked after winning 6 in 24.
- Dean Smith got the Brentford job in Nov 15 after being at Walsall and did what was seen as a good job there to build a mid table team - though, at a similar time as they appointed a sports science company owner, Phil Giles and bought about 10 new players, so questionable who drove this success!?.
- Gary Caldwell took over Wigan in 2015 with no past experience, when they were 23rd in April and took them down.
- Kit Symons took over ambitious Fulham on the back of caretaker roles at Palace and Colchester (and 9 games at Fulham), and was sacked 13mths later having won 22 and lost 25, with Fulham 12th.
- David Hockaday took over Leeds in June 2014 on the back of success at Forest Green and was sacked after 6 games.
- Russel Slade did okay with Cardiff after taking over in 2014 - getting them to 2 mid table finishes after taking over from L2 Orient, but which wasn't deemed good enough.
- Neil Redfearn took over Leeds after being Academy Head, and was sacked after 11 wins and 15 defeats in 33 with the owner calling him "weak" and a "baby" over handling of the squad.
- Paul Dickov took over newly prompted Doncaster, having managed Oldham in L1. They survived for a year with the promotion team and were then relegated and he was sacked.
- Lee Clarke took over Birmingham in 2012 after managing L1 Huddersfield and getting them into the PO finals twice - He did okayish for a year and then sacked with Birmingham 21st. He had another stab at Blackpool in the Champs, where he achieved a 9% win ratio in 33 games and was sacked again (Sound familiar?).
Not all abject failures, but failure is rarer than success, and there is barely a sniff of promotion in all this - So, if you were the board of a Champs side aspiring for promotion, what would you conclude about the odds for Jones succeeding with promotion? I genuinely thought it was an odd choice to hire Jones if our ambition was a quick promotion. In terms of an inexperienced manager like Jones getting promotion from this league quickly is just about unprecedented. Only Eddie Howe springs to mind and even he although young had more experience than Jones. As your analysis above shows a hugely inexperienced manager just doesn't get you out of this division. I think Jones is a good number of years away in terms of having enough experience to get a team promoted from this division. Maybe the board backing him are in it for the long haul which could well be 5 years away under Jones. That's if he actually manages to keep the team in this league.
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Post by onionman on Sept 15, 2019 1:46:39 GMT
If they looking at the odds, they would have looked at which managers/DOFs are getting teams up and would have recognised that they come with three sorts of experience. 1) An intimate understanding of their own players and what makes them tick, from having got them promoted from L1: Howe and Wilder 2) An intimate knowledge of what it takes to get a team promoted before from this league: Hughton, Warnock, Bruce. Jokanavic, Dyke 3) A good knowledge of elite performance gained from having a senior footballing position in a top/wealthy/successful club or international set up: Farke/Webber, Wagner, Gil (Villa DOF), Espirito Santo, Benitez, Karanka. In the last 5 seasons, the one exception has been Alex Neil at Norwich (15/16). They would have then examined the odds of plucking a L1 manager - with no experience in the Championship or of a league of similar or better standard - and doing well in the Champs. Recent examples of where boards have done this are relatively rarer than you might expect: I might have missed a couple, but these are the ones i found since about 2012. - Paul Hurst at Ipswich (17/18) got them relegated.
- Paul Trollope at Cardiff in May 2016 who was sacked after winning 2 in 12 at Cardiff.
- Lee Johnson is the best success story, taking over relegation threatened Bristol City from Barnsley in Feb 2016 and overseeing an admirable evolution ever since.
- Warren Joyce took over Wigan in Nov 16 after coaching in Belgium and was sacked after winning 6 in 24.
- Dean Smith got the Brentford job in Nov 15 after being at Walsall and did what was seen as a good job there to build a mid table team - though, at a similar time as they appointed a sports science company owner, Phil Giles and bought about 10 new players, so questionable who drove this success!?.
- Gary Caldwell took over Wigan in 2015 with no past experience, when they were 23rd in April and took them down.
- Kit Symons took over ambitious Fulham on the back of caretaker roles at Palace and Colchester (and 9 games at Fulham), and was sacked 13mths later having won 22 and lost 25, with Fulham 12th.
- David Hockaday took over Leeds in June 2014 on the back of success at Forest Green and was sacked after 6 games.
- Russel Slade did okay with Cardiff after taking over in 2014 - getting them to 2 mid table finishes after taking over from L2 Orient, but which wasn't deemed good enough.
- Neil Redfearn took over Leeds after being Academy Head, and was sacked after 11 wins and 15 defeats in 33 with the owner calling him "weak" and a "baby" over handling of the squad.
- Paul Dickov took over newly prompted Doncaster, having managed Oldham in L1. They survived for a year with the promotion team and were then relegated and he was sacked.
- Lee Clarke took over Birmingham in 2012 after managing L1 Huddersfield and getting them into the PO finals twice - He did okayish for a year and then sacked with Birmingham 21st. He had another stab at Blackpool in the Champs, where he achieved a 9% win ratio in 33 games and was sacked again (Sound familiar?).
Not all abject failures, but failure is rarer than success, and there is barely a sniff of promotion in all this - So, if you were the board of a Champs side aspiring for promotion, what would you conclude about the odds for Jones succeeding with promotion? I genuinely thought it was an odd choice to hire Jones if our ambition was a quick promotion. In terms of an inexperienced manager like Jones getting promotion from this league quickly is just about unprecedented. Only Eddie Howe springs to mind and even he although young had more experience than Jones. As your analysis above shows a hugely inexperienced manager just doesn't get you out of this division. I think Jones is a good number of years away in terms of having enough experience to get a team promoted from this division. Maybe the board backing him are in it for the long haul which could well be 5 years away under Jones. That's if he actually manages to keep the team in this league. He’ll get us out of this division all right.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 15, 2019 5:55:10 GMT
Said before business moves on Freddie laker did well in his day but went bust spectacularly as the market moved and you wouldn’t let him run a model aeroplane today if alive , this is the same past success especially when it brings deluded complacency and arrogance counts for nothing in an evolving market , 4 years of continuous failure and denial merits dismissal and the continued presence of that management funded by unsustainable ownership support means decline will only follow decline Word Soup Issue avoidance
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Post by juiceandbits on Sept 15, 2019 6:08:32 GMT
If he doesn't win one of the next 2 games he'll be gone. We have to win the next three games to get to 10 points from 10 games which is what we were on at the same stage last season under Rowett. Personally, I think we're fucked. I don’t think we’re fucked yet because of the stage we are at in the season and if we were outside of the playoffs by four points no-one would be saying we’re fucked. Get to something like 8 points adrift and we’re done imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 6:11:59 GMT
The club have two options here.
1. Sack Jones and bring in a top level appointment. 2. Keep Jones and prepare for an assault on the League One title.
Sacking him and bringing in another middle of the road no mark like Rowett or Lambert will kill us dead, and in the even of total failure, will make it even harder to get out of League One.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 15, 2019 6:20:26 GMT
The club have two options here. 1. Sack Jones and bring in a top level appointment. 2. Keep Jones and prepare for an assault on the League One title. Sacking him and bringing in another middle of the road no mark like Rowett or Lambert will kill us dead, and in the even of total failure, will make it even harder to get out of League One. Does 1 include interim appointment? It would be a disaster to get relegated again. I’ve been behind jones in for a while but I am now getting genuinely concerned.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 15, 2019 6:28:05 GMT
If people don't realise by now that we are well in the shit, then you really need to pull your heads out of the sand. The stats don't lie, his record is appalling. Sorry mate but your time is up very soon.
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