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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 3, 2019 17:41:08 GMT
I totally disagree with the criticism of Cousins.
I thought he did his job by winning possession in front of the back four and generally passed to aStoke player.
Okay he did not give any crucial defence splitting passes but with the lumbering Vokes,who I think had his feet nailed to the ground,such balls were never on anyway.
Afobe was only seen when he ran the right hand channel and put the odd ball across.Nothing from him that looked a goal threat.
Joe Allen was very hit and miss.Usually a miss unfortunately.
Clucas was non existent apart from his goal which was in fact when he had gone to left back and was a little better.
We keep getting told that the diamond relies on the full backs bombing forward.
Maclean was no better at left back than as a left winger but he simply does not have the ability.How he has ever become a professional footballer I do not know.I was really hoping he would succeed as a reward for his effort..
I think the jury is out with Smith and Powell.
Powell did show some ability and was unlucky with a couple of attempts but he simply was not in the game enough.
Smith did not get forward at all in the first half.
Second half he did but he midfield,particularly Clucas and Allen seemed to prefer a backwards pass rather take a risk and find Smith with a longer pass when he was in plenty of space.
The old 442 system which is supposed to be outdated worked better and gave us some width but that may have been because QPR had dropped back to defend the lead.
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Post by musik on Aug 3, 2019 17:41:52 GMT
Even my MoM (8).šš Btw, who got the official MoM reward? |
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 3, 2019 17:42:28 GMT
You buy league 2 players you get league 2 performances. You're expecting them to improve then Why aren't we improving our own players rather than trying to polish someone else's turd? |
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 3, 2019 17:43:00 GMT
A disgrace to the name! Seriously in a diamond it's one of the most important positions. People think he was ok because he didn't do much wrong. picking up the ball and making a 3/4 metre pass to a team was all he did. His job is to put us on the front foot (Collins did this job for him most of the game) with some astute clever passing and balls over the top to the wide men. He did absolutely non of that.
He looks what he is a below average player at this level that QPR didn't want. Strange signing based merely on Jones's view from a few years ago.
Did we follow the process on this position, you know scout the whole of UK and europe for the best 5 players for the roll?.....did we fuck!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 17:45:31 GMT
They were all toss but Cousins job is pretty specific, itās one of the most fundamentally important to this system, and he performed it woefully. Did he? He didn't look that bad on the stream but it's a different view at the game. He showed some glimpses of potential for me. I just thought he was a bit "safe" but I still think that is more to do with the utter shit ahead of the midfield than it is the midfield itself. Far bigger concerns for me were the full backs and the front 2. Edit - come to think of it the only one to emerge with any real credit will be the one who misses out next week Iām ok with him being safe - thatās his job. Too often he was sloppy for me, caught unawares, not sure where he was supposed to be and passing straight to one of theirs under no pressure. Itās a case of tallest dwarf though, you could argue anyone was worse than anyone and youād have a point, they were all shit bar Collins and maybe at a push Powell. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 17:47:47 GMT
Even my MoM (8).šš Btw, who got the official MoM reward? Allen* |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 3, 2019 17:48:56 GMT
Thought he did alright first half and not as much in the second. Heās not someone who should be starting regularly and once Etebo is back he wonāt be. However Joe Allen was once again far more of a concern given what heās supposed to do.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 3, 2019 17:50:21 GMT
He's played one fucking game you daft cunt!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 17:50:26 GMT
Thought he did alright first half and not as much in the second. Heās not someone who should be starting regularly and once Etebo is back he wonāt be. However Joe Allen was once again far more of a concern given what heās supposed to do. Etebo isnāt going to play at the base of the diamond I wouldnāt have thought? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 17:50:43 GMT
He's played one fucking game you daft cunt! And this is analysis of that one game. |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 3, 2019 17:52:25 GMT
Thought he did alright first half and not as much in the second. Heās not someone who should be starting regularly and once Etebo is back he wonāt be. However Joe Allen was once again far more of a concern given what heās supposed to do. Etebo isnāt going to play at the base of the diamond I wouldnāt have thought? Possibly not I suppose. Which means we desperately need a new CDM or, even better, a change in the system altogether! |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 17:53:24 GMT
Etebo isnāt going to play at the base of the diamond I wouldnāt have thought? Possibly not I suppose. Which means we desperately need a new CDM or, even better, a change in the system altogether! Yep. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 3, 2019 17:55:04 GMT
He's utterly appalling. Its shocking that a team with pretensions of promotion should base a whole season and system on someone the manager fancies turning from a busted flush into a Makelele but just about sums the club up right now.
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Post by philm87 on Aug 3, 2019 17:55:28 GMT
He's played one fucking game you daft cunt! And this is analysis of that one game. No that's not analysis. That just an assertion. And an assertion made after ONE FUCKING GAME. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 17:56:41 GMT
And this is analysis of that one game. No that's not analysis. That just an assertion. And an assertion made after ONE FUCKING GAME. So if heād had a stormer and been man of the match youād similarly be on here shutting down any discussion of him would you? Typing in capitals doesnāt make you right. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 3, 2019 18:02:58 GMT
And this is analysis of that one game. No that's not analysis. That just an assertion. And an assertion made after ONE FUCKING GAME. But in that one game he was garbage,if he plays and plays well next week people will say so |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2019 18:03:36 GMT
I thought he was ok (and nothing more). Allen was far more sloppy in possession and played some suicide balls, and Clucas was anonymous until moved to LB. Out of our 3 newbies that started today, I thought Smith looked the poorest and Powell the, slightly, better of them. None were particularly impressive though.
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Post by milky on Aug 3, 2019 18:05:29 GMT
Based on today at least..
Woods is better than Cousins
Edwards better than Smith
Gregory and Campbell are a far better pairing than Vokes / Afobe
Clucas is a better left back than Mclean.
And we looked far better with Ince out wide..which obviously doesnt fit into the diamond.
And although I know there is zero chance of this happening Etebo should replace Allen..they are too similar in style and Etebo is by far the superior player.
Early days I know but there are still glaring issues to sort by today's showing.
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Post by theteacher on Aug 3, 2019 18:08:41 GMT
Clearly a limited āfootballerā but he made a fist of trying to do what the manager asked of him. Limited but attempted to follow-through with the role asked of him.
The bigger problem for me is that Joe Allen has lots of energy but is indiciplined. He reminds me often of a dog playing with a balloon.
I do not seen how we can progress with a wide-two of Allen and Clucas.
The midfiels does need a major overall. I just hope that the two returning from the ACON are interested and the manager gives them a go togerther,
Having said this we do need to find an upgrade also for the DM position.
Oh and while comparing players to dogs.... the front two were just dog sh!t......
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Aug 3, 2019 18:42:22 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Aug 3, 2019 18:42:22 GMT
Cousins was the least of our problems His job is to break up the play and in the first half he was excellent.second half he went missing for their goal. Our problem is that the diamond relies on athletes. Vokes Adobe Batth McClean are one paved. Cousins does have an engine. Thereās no easy McClean is a full back. Clicks should play there from the players at our disposal. Bayern has been banging on about Joe Allen for years and HES RIGHT. Too small gets knocked off the ball so easily. Blessing in disguise today. Time to flash the cash and get Gayle
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 18:46:47 GMT
Cousins was the least of our problems His job is to break up the play and in the first half he was excellent.second half he went missing for their goal. Our problem is that the diamond relies on athletes. Vokes Adobe Batth McClean are one paved. Cousins does have an engine. Thereās no easy McClean is a full back. Clicks should play there from the players at our disposal. Bayern has been banging on about Joe Allen for years and HES RIGHT. Too small gets knocked off the ball so easily. Blessing in disguise today. Time to flash the cash and get Gayle Itās also important to have positional nous off the ball (which he didnāt) and not give the ball away cheaply (which he did). |
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Aug 3, 2019 18:48:59 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 3, 2019 18:48:59 GMT
He's definitely an upgrade to Woods and Cameron. Geoff looks like he's been sitting around all summer eating pies. Cameronās ball through created their first goal. Imo Cousins didnāt look any better than Cameron today. Early days for Cousins to be fair. |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 3, 2019 18:49:00 GMT
No that's not analysis. That just an assertion. And an assertion made after ONE FUCKING GAME. So if heād had a stormer and been man of the match youād similarly be on here shutting down any discussion of him would you? Typing in capitals doesnāt make you right. If a player played a blinder on their debut and then someone started a thread declaring that we should build a statue for them outside the ground then yeah I would tell them to calm down. That's not 'shutting down discussion', just asking for a bit more patience and perspective. And there is no definition of analysis that would accommodate the OP. You asked for the capitals when you so deliberately missed the point. |
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Aug 3, 2019 18:49:15 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 3, 2019 18:49:15 GMT
He's definitely an upgrade to Woods and Cameron. Geoff looks like he's been sitting around all summer eating pies. Cameronās ball through created their first goal. Imo Cousins didnāt look any better than Cameron today. Early days for Cousins to be fair. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 3, 2019 18:51:00 GMT
He's utterly appalling. Its shocking that a team with pretensions of promotion should base a whole season and system on someone the manager fancies turning from a busted flush into a Makelele but just about sums the club up right now. And McClean as the starting LB, until it became crystal that that was daft too. I think Jones will make a decent job of it but some of his decisions have been perplexing to say the least and his media inconsistent performances are irritating me |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 3, 2019 18:51:26 GMT
So if heād had a stormer and been man of the match youād similarly be on here shutting down any discussion of him would you? Typing in capitals doesnāt make you right. If a player played a blinder on their debut and then someone started a thread declaring that we should build a statue for them outside the ground then yeah I would tell them to calm down. That's not 'shutting down discussion', just asking for a bit more patience and perspective. And there is no definition of analysis that would accommodate the OP. You asked for the capitals when you so deliberately missed the point. Was it just the OP you were on about then? I got the impression it was the entire thread? I didnāt miss your point, I just thought it was daft. How does this work for you, when he plays well people say so, when he plays poorly people say so? |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 3, 2019 18:54:21 GMT
He's definitely an upgrade to Woods and Cameron. Geoff looks like he's been sitting around all summer eating pies. Yet looked better than most of the crap who started for us.... |
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Post by philm87 on Aug 3, 2019 18:57:35 GMT
If a player played a blinder on their debut and then someone started a thread declaring that we should build a statue for them outside the ground then yeah I would tell them to calm down. That's not 'shutting down discussion', just asking for a bit more patience and perspective. And there is no definition of analysis that would accommodate the OP. You asked for the capitals when you so deliberately missed the point. Was it just the OP you were on about then? I got the impression it was the entire thread? I didnāt miss your point, I just thought it was daft. How does this work for you, when he plays well people say so, when he plays poorly people say so? No the original post was a direct response to the OP. I just tend to think whenever we have a new player, I will give them 10-12 games before reaching a firm conclusion one way or the other. Someone deciding quite so equivocally after just one game, a game in which most players played quite badly and arguably worse than Cousins, should be completely written off just strikes me as a total fucking moron. It is also surely equally moronic to compare Cousins with Adam given they are completely different players playing quite different roles. |
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 3, 2019 20:24:45 GMT
Cousins was really poor but he wasnāt alone today.
Vokes and Afobe were awful, and what the fuck was Butland thinking??
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 3, 2019 20:27:24 GMT
Thought he was ok, got a few interceptions and won a few tackles.
It doesnāt look like heās able to push the ball forward but heās young and think he could do a job.
He certainly was more useful than Vokes who I guess will have earnt significantly more for his contribution today.
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