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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 9:25:25 GMT
Heard a radio interview with Jones bigging up McClean saying how he’s worked with him for 5 weeks to convert him into a left back. I really think he’ll struggle as we saw quite a few times last season with the defensive side of the game. I can’t but feeling jones is taking a massive gamble here and making a huge rod for his own back if this backfires. I certainly expect teams to try and exploit it. Didn’t Rangel give him a tough time last season? He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. If it doesnt work we always have clucas |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2019 9:29:31 GMT
He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. If it doesnt work we always have clucas Oh goody! Ward should be the starter with what we have. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 2, 2019 9:37:10 GMT
McClean will be the Robertson of the championship this season.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 2, 2019 10:04:29 GMT
Just about any opposing managers will take a few seconds to assess where our defensive weakness will be and that's down our left flank, we saw that against Leicester. If we play 3 at the back I have sympathy for the left sided CB, probably Lindsay who will need to be on his game.
McClean should be praying that old man Rangel isn't playing tomorrow after JM forgot he was playing against us last season at the Brit where he scored 2 of the 3 goals he has scored in 6 years of football.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 10:08:40 GMT
If it doesnt work we always have clucas Oh goody! Ward should be the starter with what we have. Why what is wrong with clucas? |
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Post by musik on Aug 2, 2019 10:10:42 GMT
They have to look at our left side in midfield.
Who's playing there?
Therein lies the answer of our weakness.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2019 10:35:34 GMT
Oh goody! Ward should be the starter with what we have. Why what is wrong with clucas? He's an attacking midfielder/winger? |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 2, 2019 10:40:08 GMT
I think we will find out soon enough,that playing McClean at left back,will be a big mistake.
We could drop a few pts.before Jones realises someone else needs to play there.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 10:47:32 GMT
Why what is wrong with clucas? He's an attacking midfielder/winger? That can play full back? |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 2, 2019 10:53:45 GMT
We will see what kind of a coach NJ is. I liked McClean's energy against Leicester. In that role, he's only going to be as good as his cover when he goes bombing forwards.
Must admit I was a bit surprised Clucas didn't play left of the diamond. Thought they might work well together, with him dropping in when JM goes forward.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 10:55:13 GMT
We will see what kind of a coach NJ is. I liked McClean's energy against Leicester. In that role, he's only going to be as good as his cover when he goes bombing forwards. Must admit I was a bit surprised Clucas didn't play left of the diamond. Thought they might work well together, with him dropping in when JM goes forward. I think they would kill each other - can you imagine the tantrums when they started blaming each other. There was definitely one game last season when I thought McClean was about to punch Clucas. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 2, 2019 10:57:01 GMT
Heard a radio interview with Jones bigging up McClean saying how he’s worked with him for 5 weeks to convert him into a left back. I really think he’ll struggle as we saw quite a few times last season with the defensive side of the game. I can’t but feeling jones is taking a massive gamble here and making a huge rod for his own back if this backfires. I certainly expect teams to try and exploit it. Didn’t Rangel give him a tough time last season? He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. I can’t quite get my head around it. I think it’s accepted that the full back position in a diamond formation is a specialist job which mcclean is ill equipped for!! |
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Aug 2, 2019 11:24:58 GMT
We don't know that it is only preseason that we have been working on the positional change.
We may have been coaching him all kinds of things since December
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2019 11:30:52 GMT
We don't know that it is only preseason that we have been working on the positional change. We may have been coaching him all kinds of things since December Not according to Jones he has stated 5 weeks !, I can see McClean been a disaster at LB he has no positional sense or defensive attributes, God knows what NJ is thinking on this one.  |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 2, 2019 11:34:43 GMT
Let's give him 4/5 games before we judge him.
No doubt if he isn't Roberto Carlos on Saturday the board will be filled with people calling for NJ's head over this.
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Post by questionable on Aug 2, 2019 12:17:18 GMT
You can see QPR’s team talk:
Manager to their RW: Every chance you get mate just get at Stokes LB.
Manager to their RB: Stand up their LWB he hasn’t got the know how to beat you for pace or skill, oh and he’ll cut inside of you everytime.
Manager to their right sided CH: Easy day for you mate, if there’s the remote chance their LWB manages to beat our RB there’s no chance he’ll find one of his own players.
NJ to JM: Mate you’re a natural for this role, just do what you do best, what’s that then boss, oh, er, er just run up and down a lot and if possible try and link play up for me, FFS boss you’re asking a lot here mate you’ve only had since you’ve arrived and I’m the final solution.....
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 12:23:26 GMT
Let's give him 4/5 games before we judge him. No doubt if he isn't Roberto Carlos on Saturday the board will be filled with people calling for NJ's head over this. If JM is m.o.m they wont acknowledge it |
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 2, 2019 12:25:49 GMT
You can see QPR’s team talk: Manager to their RW: Every chance you get mate just get at Stokes LB. Manager to their RB: Stand up their LWB he hasn’t got the know how to beat you for pace or skill, oh and he’ll cut inside of you everytime. Manager to their right sided CH: Easy day for you mate, if there’s the remote chance their LWB manages to beat our RB there’s no chance he’ll find one of his own players. NJ to JM: Mate you’re a natural for this role, just do what you do best, what’s that then boss, oh, er, er just run up and down a lot and if possible try and link play up for me, FFS boss you’re asking a lot here mate you’ve only had since you’ve arrived and I’m the final solution.....  |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 2, 2019 12:26:56 GMT
He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. I can’t quite get my head around it. I think it’s accepted that the full back position in a diamond formation is a specialist job which mcclean is ill equipped for!! It is a very specialist job as not many teams play that formation and there are very few players who are trained and coached to do it so you either try to convert a winger or a traditional fullback to do the job. If you do the former you will probably score less and if you do the latter you will probably concede more. With McClean as left back we will probably score more and concede more - that's the payoff that goes with formation. Both the formation and McClean at left back need to be given a chance. It's where we're at and claiming it will work or fail is pure speculation - often driven by other agendas. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 12:41:25 GMT
You can see QPR’s team talk: Manager to their RW: Every chance you get mate just get at Stokes LB. Manager to their RB: Stand up their LWB he hasn’t got the know how to beat you for pace or skill, oh and he’ll cut inside of you everytime. Manager to their right sided CH: Easy day for you mate, if there’s the remote chance their LWB manages to beat our RB there’s no chance he’ll find one of his own players. NJ to JM: Mate you’re a natural for this role, just do what you do best, what’s that then boss, oh, er, er just run up and down a lot and if possible try and link play up for me, FFS boss you’re asking a lot here mate you’ve only had since you’ve arrived and I’m the final solution..... It's not even right - at least going forward. He does mostly beat his man going forward, go outside to the corner flag and then the cross could go anywhere granted but its not even right! |
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Post by vahl on Aug 2, 2019 12:50:48 GMT
You can see QPR’s team talk: Manager to their RW: Every chance you get mate just get at Stokes LB. Manager to their RB: Stand up their LWB he hasn’t got the know how to beat you for pace or skill, oh and he’ll cut inside of you everytime. Manager to their right sided CH: Easy day for you mate, if there’s the remote chance their LWB manages to beat our RB there’s no chance he’ll find one of his own players. NJ to JM: Mate you’re a natural for this role, just do what you do best, what’s that then boss, oh, er, er just run up and down a lot and if possible try and link play up for me, FFS boss you’re asking a lot here mate you’ve only had since you’ve arrived and I’m the final solution..... Or ours: rely on yourselves to control the game and bring our fb's in regularly McClean will be a good player for this system. |
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 2, 2019 12:56:04 GMT
Let's give him 4/5 games before we judge him. No doubt if he isn't Roberto Carlos on Saturday the board will be filled with people calling for NJ's head over this. If JM is m.o.m they wont acknowledge it based on what evidence? This theory certainly wasn't tested last season. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2019 13:19:22 GMT
He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. I can’t quite get my head around it. I think it’s accepted that the full back position in a diamond formation is a specialist job which mcclean is ill equipped for!! It is very strange. And the faffing around over it too, it's staggering incompetence from them all. He should have been playing there from March at least if he was that suited to it.... |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 2, 2019 13:21:32 GMT
Fancy clucas might finish up there
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2019 13:26:40 GMT
I can’t quite get my head around it. I think it’s accepted that the full back position in a diamond formation is a specialist job which mcclean is ill equipped for!! It is a very specialist job as not many teams play that formation and there are very few players who are trained and coached to do it so you either try to convert a winger or a traditional fullback to do the job. If you do the former you will probably score less and if you do the latter you will probably concede more. With McClean as left back we will probably score more and concede more - that's the payoff that goes with formation. Both the formation and McClean at left back need to be given a chance. It's where we're at and claiming it will work or fail is pure speculation - often driven by other agendas. Other agendas ? maybe some can see that to make the system work we need a player who has the skills to do the roles asked of them, McClean was blowing out of his arse after an hour against Leicester, lost his man twice for both goals and created very little, never mind we have a pensioner as back up so we should be fine. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 13:27:38 GMT
It is a very specialist job as not many teams play that formation and there are very few players who are trained and coached to do it so you either try to convert a winger or a traditional fullback to do the job. If you do the former you will probably score less and if you do the latter you will probably concede more. With McClean as left back we will probably score more and concede more - that's the payoff that goes with formation. Both the formation and McClean at left back need to be given a chance. It's where we're at and claiming it will work or fail is pure speculation - often driven by other agendas. Other agendas ? maybe some can see that to make the system work we need a player who has the skills to do the roles asked of them, McClean was blowing out of his arse after an hour against Leicester, lost his man twice for both goals and created very little, never mind we have a pensioner as back up so we should be fine. aswell as Sam clucas |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 2, 2019 13:28:33 GMT
If JM is m.o.m they wont acknowledge it based on what evidence? This theory certainly wasn't tested last season. They wont acknowledge it because their mind has been made up allready |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 2, 2019 13:30:21 GMT
based on what evidence? This theory certainly wasn't tested last season. They wont acknowledge it because their mind has been made up allready It has to happen first  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 13:44:46 GMT
I've got a feeling that Lindsay is supposed to be JM's minder.
Not if the opposition has two strikers and Cousins is busy elsewhere, and Allen still doesn't know what his job is, but if they give us just a lone striker to deal with, then Batth will be delighted, and Lindsay can sweep up beside/behind our smiling Irish eyes. And Cousins can take whatever's left. Then Allen can concentrate on being Adam...
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2019 16:19:08 GMT
Let's give him 4/5 games before we judge him. No doubt if he isn't Roberto Carlos on Saturday the board will be filled with people calling for NJ's head over this. If JM is m.o.m they wont acknowledge it You were saying  |
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