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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 27, 2019 21:44:41 GMT
He wasn’t marking either though? He’s all over the place and a very sloppy passer, how we find ourselves in a position in trying to mould him into a LB is mystifying I know he wasn’t marking either and he probably should have made his mind up but that doesn’t change the fact that he had no support. Fair enough but just because we have another problem doesn’t take away from the issue that we are trying to shoehorn McClean into a position that he’s not cut out for. His work rate and application don’t make up for his technical deficiencies for me. Very surprising from Jones |
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Post by ayem on Jul 27, 2019 21:45:12 GMT
I think NJ is banking on McClean to run up. Regardless of his crossing ability, we are getting more shots to goal in this preseason than last year. If Cousins can cover, we’ll be fine and get more chances.
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 21:46:26 GMT
I know he wasn’t marking either and he probably should have made his mind up but that doesn’t change the fact that he had no support. Fair enough but just because we have another problem doesn’t take away from the issue that we are trying to shoehorn McClean into a position that he’s not cut out for. His work rate and application don’t make up for his technical deficiencies for me. Very surprising from Jones Hopefully if it doesn’t work out then Ward can do a job there. If not then maybe he’ll try Edwards/Smith |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2019 21:48:48 GMT
I disagree, he’s stuck because there’s two men to mark and no help. Allen needs to see the danger and cover. The system relies on stopping overloads on the fullbacks. He wasn’t marking either though? He’s all over the place and a very sloppy passer, how we find ourselves in a position in trying to mould him into a LB is mystifying It's bollocks, and if Rowett had come up with it, he'd have been rightly slated for it. I think The Onlooker has a point in his earlier post, though, about the root of the problem. |
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Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2019 22:01:04 GMT
Our left hand flank looked poor defensively throughout the game and contributed to both goals.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:08:16 GMT
Our left hand flank looked poor defensively throughout the game and contributed to both goals. I don’t know how anyone can defend it tbh. It seems like trying hard trumps actually doing your job. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 27, 2019 23:18:13 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third. He lost his man for the second goal, he was marking fresh air tbf, I thought he did okay overall though. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:25:18 GMT
I’ve just watched the first back and there’s a funny moment about 10 seconds before the goal where McClean and Allen both point at the same man.
That sums their game up 😂
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:31:35 GMT
Personally thought Jimmy was half decent at LB. don’t get me wrong he could have been better, but if he can improve he will be alright
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:32:23 GMT
Personally thought Jimmy was half decent at LB. don’t get me wrong he could have been better, but if he can improve he will be alright What did he actually do well? |
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:35:14 GMT
Personally thought Jimmy was half decent at LB. don’t get me wrong he could have been better, but if he can improve he will be alright What did he actually do well? He contributed well in attack. And showed a lot of energy. Defensively I left he was exsposed, a lot like Edwards was during the Swansea game. Just my view Bayern I don’t want no trouble  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:38:08 GMT
What did he actually do well? He contributed well in attack. And showed a lot of energy. Defensively I left he was exsposed, a lot like Edwards was during the Swansea game. Just my view Bayern I don’t want no trouble We didn’t do well in attack all game though?  The energy thing is just pointless. No trouble, just don’t get it when the left hand side defensively might as well not have been there all game! |
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:39:59 GMT
He contributed well in attack. And showed a lot of energy. Defensively I left he was exsposed, a lot like Edwards was during the Swansea game. Just my view Bayern I don’t want no trouble We didn’t do well in attack all game though? The energy thing is just pointless. No trouble, just don’t get it when the left hand side defensively might as well not have been there all game! Is it a fair point that Jimmy was left exsposed?  I left Smith on the right had a lot more help from Clucas. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:42:11 GMT
We didn’t do well in attack all game though? The energy thing is just pointless. No trouble, just don’t get it when the left hand side defensively might as well not have been there all game! Is it a fair point that Jimmy was left exsposed? I left Smith on the right had a lot more help from Clucas. That’s the nature of the formation. Allen worked his bollocks off all game but it just didn’t work. Neither of them knew what they were doing. |
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:43:34 GMT
Is it a fair point that Jimmy was left exsposed? I left Smith on the right had a lot more help from Clucas. That’s the nature of the formation. Allen worked his bollocks off all game but it just didn’t work. Neither of them knew what they were doing. Personally thought Clucas going foward was wank. But in defence he was alright. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 23:44:36 GMT
That’s the nature of the formation. Allen worked his bollocks off all game but it just didn’t work. Neither of them knew what they were doing. Personally thought Clucas going foward was wank. But in defence he was alright. I thought we were wank in general bar the centre halves. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Jul 27, 2019 23:49:25 GMT
The system being used is based on being on the front foot, it looked like they wanted to play that way today but unfortunately came up against much stronger players.
Fingers crossed against lesser opposition we can dominate and those obvious weaknesses will be less noticeable!
Glass half full, they almost resemble a decent side for me!
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Post by uskstokie on Jul 27, 2019 23:57:07 GMT
The system being used is based on being on the front foot, it looked like they wanted to play that way today but unfortunately came up against much stronger players. Fingers crossed against lesser opposition we can dominate and those obvious weaknesses will be less noticeable! Glass half full, they almost resemble a decent side for me! I have often got my glass half full as well :3 |
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 28, 2019 6:34:40 GMT
Well if Jimmy Mac is is ourLB choice he is going to have a very buisy season.
Opponents will soon identify our left side weakness in defence and exploit it. Hopefully he will learn and improve the defensive part of his new role.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 28, 2019 6:59:03 GMT
Personally thought Clucas going foward was wank. But in defence he was alright. I thought we were wank in general bar the centre halves. I think you're being a bit harsh, first half I thought we were the better team (only just, it wasn't a great game of football), they changed their formation to match ours in the second which kinda shows they thought the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2019 8:00:23 GMT
He wasn’t marking either though? He’s all over the place and a very sloppy passer, how we find ourselves in a position in trying to mould him into a LB is mystifying It's bollocks, and if Rowett had come up with it, he'd have been rightly slated for it. I think The Onlooker has a point in his earlier post, though, about the root of the problem. I'm not actually trying to make a point because i'm not sure what the point is. I'm being genuine that it's all a bit strange even though reading my post back it looks like i'm trying to say something. I'm just genuinely mystified that we have a manager well versed in his system, has serious form for creating a monster of a side at his previous club in a very short period of time - creating two monsters at full back in the process (who are both now PL players straight from League One!), and here he is at Stoke converting a dreadful winger into a full back - with a geriatric as a back up? It's as if he has forgotten all about what makes his side tick in the short time he has been with us? On top of that our club has serious form with past managers of going for good plan A players and ending up with broken or old plan B players. The extra layer of mystery is the man charged with heading up the scouting team has walked away from a big wage to sit in his living room watching Trisha and Ricky Lake. It's as if there is someone at Stoke that is starting to feel the pressure, but I can't work out who or why? |
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Post by juiceandbits on Jul 28, 2019 8:26:56 GMT
Personally thought Clucas going foward was wank. But in defence he was alright. I thought we were wank in general bar the centre halves. Your then either delusional or your expectations don’t match reality. |
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Post by vahl on Jul 28, 2019 8:33:54 GMT
The system being used is based on being on the front foot, it looked like they wanted to play that way today but unfortunately came up against much stronger players. Fingers crossed against lesser opposition we can dominate and those obvious weaknesses will be less noticeable! Glass half full, they almost resemble a decent side for me!  This is right. Leicester are being written off here like they are fodder when the reality is they're a cut above and we showed we could match it in spells. |
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Post by tony harrison on Jul 28, 2019 8:44:21 GMT
Steve Bould was not a right back.
McLean is not a left back.
Steve Bould was a good footballer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 9:33:19 GMT
I thought we were wank in general bar the centre halves. Your then either delusional or your expectations don’t match reality. We couldn’t keep the ball. I expected us to have a bit more of it and when we did to move it quicker. But we were so sloppy with it. That isn’t delusional, they looked like a bunch of a strangers playing together. Which isn’t what I was expecting. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 9:35:36 GMT
I thought we were wank in general bar the centre halves. I think you're being a bit harsh, first half I thought we were the better team (only just, it wasn't a great game of football), they changed their formation to match ours in the second which kinda shows they thought the same. Really? They had the better chances, tested our goalie more, had more of the ball. I just thought we were poor. |
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Post by juiceandbits on Jul 28, 2019 9:36:58 GMT
Your then either delusional or your expectations don’t match reality. We couldn’t keep the ball. I expected us to have a bit more of it and when we did to move it quicker. But we were so sloppy with it. That isn’t delusional, they looked like a bunch of a strangers playing together. Which isn’t what I was expecting. We genuinely watched different games. I see you have conveniently forgotten to mention the move leading up to the penalty. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2019 9:41:48 GMT
We couldn’t keep the ball. I expected us to have a bit more of it and when we did to move it quicker. But we were so sloppy with it. That isn’t delusional, they looked like a bunch of a strangers playing together. Which isn’t what I was expecting. We genuinely watched different games. I see you have conveniently forgotten to mention the move leading up to the penalty. We had flurries of counter attacking but generally we couldn’t string two passes together. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 2, 2019 9:23:07 GMT
Heard a radio interview with Jones bigging up McClean saying how he’s worked with him for 5 weeks to convert him into a left back. I really think he’ll struggle as we saw quite a few times last season with the defensive side of the game. I can’t but feeling jones is taking a massive gamble here and making a huge rod for his own back if this backfires. I certainly expect teams to try and exploit it. Didn’t Rangel give him a tough time last season?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 2, 2019 9:24:24 GMT
Heard a radio interview with Jones bigging up McClean saying how he’s worked with him for 5 weeks to convert him into a left back. I really think he’ll struggle as we saw quite a few times last season with the defensive side of the game. I can’t but feeling jones is taking a massive gamble here and making a huge rod for his own back if this backfires. I certainly expect teams to try and exploit it. Didn’t Rangel give him a tough time last season? He did, McClean forgot about him twice and he scored twice. What I don't get is that he's had 8 months to convert McClean to a left back and it started 5 weeks ago. It's terrifying. |
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I left Smith on the right had a lot more help from Clucas. 
