samuel32
Youth Player
Jack Clarke's Shorts
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Post by samuel32 on Jul 27, 2019 17:55:47 GMT
I'm hoping Jones will help him with is positioning and tell him he doesn't need to try to dribble down the left every time. But he wasn't helped by the lack of options of someone to pass it to. Allen was the only one who was ever looking for the ball from him. Where was everyone else? Cousins, Powell, Clucas, the strikers, our left centre back?
Every time a Leicester player got the ball they were able to move it on quickly because there players were always looking for it. Let that be a lesson.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 27, 2019 17:56:06 GMT
I thought he did ok mostly , a faot bit better than the right back if I'm honest
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:57:15 GMT
Any opposition coach worth his salt will see our weakness at fullback in the system we use and exploit it.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:58:38 GMT
McLean has more potential than pieters to become an attacking full back, all day, every day. Sorry I'm sick of seeing pieters get so far forward and fluff a good opportunity because of his final ball. Even defensively he is only 'o.k' at best, pieters was just a position filler for me, nothing special. Also part of our shit show defence for the past 3 years. McLean has all the tools to be a good lb at this level and I believe jones can guide him too it, and so can ward If McClean wasn't a workhorse, he wouldn't even be a professional footballer. I thought he made some decent challenges today & he can be commended for that, but he is a terrible, terrible footballer. Had a hand in both of their goals (positioning). No REAL pace, his first touch is woeful, passing is often wayward & he has no end product. A winger that neither scores, nor assists with any real consistency. He once went nearly 18 months (roughly) without scoring for West Brom, and got 2 or 3 assists in that time. I'm sorry, but he's garbage. I'm not claiming he's Ashley Cole in his prime but if people think he's not an adequate championship player I dont agree and I think the coming months will show it, we will be playing second tier teams not premiership quality, big difference |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:01:44 GMT
So McClean is an attacking full back ?, Ward should if anything be starting as a natural left back so why wasn't he ?, our best player in the first half was Jack or Batth and McClean was at fault for their first in the first half, if he actually plays well regularly I will compliment him, let's bookmark this and return to it say around the end of October is that fair ? McLean has more potential than pieters to become an attacking full back, all day, every day. Sorry I'm sick of seeing pieters get so far forward and fluff a good opportunity because of his final ball. Even defensively he is only 'o.k' at best, pieters was just a position filler for me, nothing special. Also part of our shit show defence for the past 3 years. McLean has all the tools to be a good lb at this level and I believe jones can guide him too it, and so can ward  sick of your bait now, has all the tools to be a good LB at this level  no pace, can't tackle, can't pass, can't cross, can't head the ball, has no positional sense, is knackered after less than an hour and yet gets the nod over Ward. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:04:46 GMT
I'm hoping Jones will help him with is positioning and tell him he doesn't need to try to dribble down the left every time. But he wasn't helped by the lack of options of someone to pass it to. Allen was the only one who was ever looking for the ball from him. Where was everyone else? Cousins, Powell, Clucas, the strikers, our left centre back? Every time a Leicester player got the ball they were able to move it on quickly because there players were always looking for it. Let that be a lesson. He plays with his head down no wonder he can't see any options, the only reason he passed it towards Allen was that he was that close to him all game, terrible footballer sorry that is the blunt truth of it. |
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Post by stokie223 on Jul 27, 2019 18:06:50 GMT
If McClean wasn't a workhorse, he wouldn't even be a professional footballer. I thought he made some decent challenges today & he can be commended for that, but he is a terrible, terrible footballer. Had a hand in both of their goals (positioning). No REAL pace, his first touch is woeful, passing is often wayward & he has no end product. A winger that neither scores, nor assists with any real consistency. He once went nearly 18 months (roughly) without scoring for West Brom, and got 2 or 3 assists in that time. I'm sorry, but he's garbage. I'm not claiming he's Ashley Cole in his prime but if people think he's not an adequate championship player I dont agree and I think the coming months will show it, we will be playing second tier teams not premiership quality, big difference Irrespective of opposition, in a system that is so heavily reliant on your full backs - he is not good enough. He's got where he is because he works his bollocks off & again, commendable, but that doesn't make up for his lack of quality for me. One of the worst footballers I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt. There was a passage of play today, I was on the second row and it was right by me near the tunnel, he miscontrolled the ball, fluffed a pass which can't have been more than 5 yards but we won a throw, he took that throw in & threw it straight to them with not a Stoke player in sight & then fouled the guy he'd just thrown it to. All within about 30 seconds. Dreadful, dreadful footballer. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 18:07:32 GMT
McLean has more potential than pieters to become an attacking full back, all day, every day. Sorry I'm sick of seeing pieters get so far forward and fluff a good opportunity because of his final ball. Even defensively he is only 'o.k' at best, pieters was just a position filler for me, nothing special. Also part of our shit show defence for the past 3 years. McLean has all the tools to be a good lb at this level and I believe jones can guide him too it, and so can ward sick of your bait now, has all the tools to be a good LB at this level no pace, can't tackle, can't pass, can't cross, can't head the ball, has no positional sense, is knackered after less than an hour and yet gets the nod over Ward. I give up, crack on. I look forward to pulling you back up on this rubbish |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
sick of your bait now, has all the tools to be a good LB at this level no pace, can't tackle, can't pass, can't cross, can't head the ball, has no positional sense, is knackered after less than an hour and yet gets the nod over Ward. I give up, crack on. I look forward to pulling you back up on this rubbish Looking forward to it myself, I have feeling I won't be hearing much from you on this again. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 18:14:54 GMT
I give up, crack on. I look forward to pulling you back up on this rubbish Looking forward to it myself, I have feeling I won't be hearing much from you on this again. Oh you will, everytime he does something good, just like you will do everytime he makes an error because footballers arn't allowed mistakes in matches if they play lb for stoke. I wonder if we dig up some Eric pieters threads ( the player that is suddenly a match winner now stoke have sold him) to see how much you 'really' loved him, I'm pretty confident you're slagging him off aswell, just like everybody else in a stoke shirt 😊 |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2019 18:15:41 GMT
I'm not claiming he's Ashley Cole in his prime but if people think he's not an adequate championship player I dont agree and I think the coming months will show it, we will be playing second tier teams not premiership quality, big difference Irrespective of opposition, in a system that is so heavily reliant on your full backs - he is not good enough. He's got where he is because he works his bollocks off & again, commendable, but that doesn't make up for his lack of quality for me. One of the worst footballers I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt. There was a passage of play today, I was on the second row and it was right by me near the tunnel, he miscontrolled the ball, fluffed a pass which can't have been more than 5 yards but we won a throw, he took that throw in & threw it straight to them with not a Stoke player in sight & then fouled the guy he'd just thrown it to. All within about 30 seconds. Dreadful, dreadful footballer. Fucking hell fire! 😁 |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:37:17 GMT
Looking forward to it myself, I have feeling I won't be hearing much from you on this again. Oh you will, everytime he does something good, just like you will do everytime he makes an error because footballers arn't allowed mistakes in matches if they play lb for stoke. I wonder if we dig up some Eric pieters threads ( the player that is suddenly a match winner now stoke have sold him) to see how much you 'really' loved him, I'm pretty confident you're slagging him off aswell, just like everybody else in a stoke shirt 😊 Crack on then, looking forward to all the glowing testimony's about Mc Clean's performances as our LWB this season  |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 18:40:06 GMT
Oh you will, everytime he does something good, just like you will do everytime he makes an error because footballers arn't allowed mistakes in matches if they play lb for stoke. I wonder if we dig up some Eric pieters threads ( the player that is suddenly a match winner now stoke have sold him) to see how much you 'really' loved him, I'm pretty confident you're slagging him off aswell, just like everybody else in a stoke shirt 😊 Crack on then, looking forward to all the glowing testimony's about Mc Clean's performances as our LWB this season You've not even give him time to adapt. We'll see, my bet is he will grow into the role against standard equal opposition. I'm going to bookmark this thread and rub your nose in it when he's played it a dozen games |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:40:42 GMT
I'm not claiming he's Ashley Cole in his prime but if people think he's not an adequate championship player I dont agree and I think the coming months will show it, we will be playing second tier teams not premiership quality, big difference Irrespective of opposition, in a system that is so heavily reliant on your full backs - he is not good enough. He's got where he is because he works his bollocks off & again, commendable, but that doesn't make up for his lack of quality for me. One of the worst footballers I've ever seen in a Stoke shirt. There was a passage of play today, I was on the second row and it was right by me near the tunnel, he miscontrolled the ball, fluffed a pass which can't have been more than 5 yards but we won a throw, he took that throw in & threw it straight to them with not a Stoke player in sight & then fouled the guy he'd just thrown it to. All within about 30 seconds. Dreadful, dreadful footballer. Indeed I saw that incident there were plenty of others, but apparently he is great because he works arrddd, unfortunately that does not make up for his total lack of ability for a professional footballer he should stick to boxing perhaps. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 18:43:39 GMT
Crack on then, looking forward to all the glowing testimony's about Mc Clean's performances as our LWB this season You've not even give him time to adapt. We'll see, my bet is he will grow into the role against standard equal opposition. I'm going to bookmark this thread and rub your nose in it when he's played it a dozen games He hasn't adapted to been a footballer yet let alone a LB  feel free to come back in October as I suggested we will see who has the better judgment then. |
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Post by hooftastic on Jul 27, 2019 18:53:50 GMT
The agenda inscribed knives are out in force I see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 18:57:50 GMT
The agenda inscribed knives are out in force I see. They were never put back after last season. |
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Post by kelw on Jul 27, 2019 18:58:36 GMT
My only worry today was Afobe yet again. Anyone who is slagging players off today is the usual rubbish and made their tiny minds up before the game.
Would liked to have seen Etebo play today, obviously wasn't going to happen as would have been interesting v their midfield. Once they went toe to toe was one winner
Good workout, really good opposition, a forward away I think from being a seriously good side this Leicester set up.
Enough to see us in good spirits for QPR.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 27, 2019 20:54:26 GMT
Why are we waiting for Jones to teach McClean the basics? Why didn’t we just go out and buy someone that was an actual LB instead.
McClean didn’t instill any confidence that he can do that job, it all seems very peculiar, why didn’t Jones try him there last season if he intended starting him there this year. His passing is horrendous.
Poor decision by jones for me
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 21:08:46 GMT
Why are we waiting for Jones to teach McClean the basics? Why didn’t we just go out and buy someone that was an actual LB instead. McClean didn’t instill any confidence that he can do that job, it all seems very peculiar, why didn’t Jones try him there last season if he intended starting him there this year. His passing is horrendous. Poor decision by jones for me Never mind he works hard and plods about a lot until the hour mark that is after that he was fcuked despite his superior fitness levels, he lacks the basic skills as a winger and has none to be a defender so expect to see him starting there as a regular, some Stoke fans love a donkey must be those by gone visits to Blackpool bless them. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2019 21:10:41 GMT
If McClean wasn't a workhorse, he wouldn't even be a professional footballer. I thought he made some decent challenges today & he can be commended for that, but he is a terrible, terrible footballer. Had a hand in both of their goals (positioning). No REAL pace, his first touch is woeful, passing is often wayward & he has no end product. A winger that neither scores, nor assists with any real consistency. He once went nearly 18 months (roughly) without scoring for West Brom, and got 2 or 3 assists in that time. I'm sorry, but he's garbage. I'm not claiming he's Ashley Cole in his prime but if people think he's not an adequate championship player I dont agree and I think the coming months will show it, we will be playing second tier teams not premiership quality, big difference Adequate doesn't get you promoted. |
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 21:11:53 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third.
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Post by thicknthin on Jul 27, 2019 21:17:25 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third. Did you type that with a straight face |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 27, 2019 21:17:41 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third. He seemed to be completely in no mans land for the second, he should have done a lot better |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 21:23:19 GMT
It's all a bit strange isn't it? Jones wanted Justin, didn't get him and we've ended up with Ward and McClean at left back for a key position in the managers system - and less than two weeks later the Technical Director is leaving a well paid job to sit on the dole, allegedly of his own free will too?
All of this coming less than 5 years after one of our previous managers tried and failed to sign a first choice right back option and ended up with a 30+ year old on a free transfer.
Pardon me for making excuses for the manager, but it's all a bit too fishy at Stoke for my liking. All a bit too convenient and a bit too repetitive.
We're either unlucky at this transfer lark, or a bit too unlucky in picking these managers that make daft and rank bad decisions of their own free will.
...I didn't think McClean was that bad and think he'll do ok this season, just to chuck in a curve ball...
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 21:29:33 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third. He seemed to be completely in no mans land for the second, he should have done a lot better I disagree, he’s stuck because there’s two men to mark and no help. Allen needs to see the danger and cover. The system relies on stopping overloads on the fullbacks. |
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 21:30:14 GMT
Defensively he was actually quite good. Neither goal was his fault, it was a lack of cover. He got forward well but made the wrong decisions in the final third. Did you type that with a straight face You don’t like the bloke, I get it. But don’t let it cloud your judgement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 21:30:35 GMT
He is fuckin bobbins. End of!
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 27, 2019 21:32:33 GMT
He seemed to be completely in no mans land for the second, he should have done a lot better I disagree, he’s stuck because there’s two men to mark and no help. Allen needs to see the danger and cover. The system relies on stopping overloads on the fullbacks. He wasn’t marking either though? He’s all over the place and a very sloppy passer, how we find ourselves in a position in trying to mould him into a LB is mystifying |
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Post by femark on Jul 27, 2019 21:36:04 GMT
I disagree, he’s stuck because there’s two men to mark and no help. Allen needs to see the danger and cover. The system relies on stopping overloads on the fullbacks. He wasn’t marking either though? He’s all over the place and a very sloppy passer, how we find ourselves in a position in trying to mould him into a LB is mystifying I know he wasn’t marking either and he probably should have made his mind up but that doesn’t change the fact that he had no support. |
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sick of your bait now, has all the tools to be a good LB at this level 
no pace, can't tackle, can't pass, can't cross, can't head the ball, has no positional sense, is knackered after less than an hour and yet gets the nod over Ward.
feel free to come back in October as I suggested we will see who has the better judgment then.
