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Post by Pugsley on Jul 27, 2019 17:00:09 GMT
How Edwards can't get into this team is an absolute fucking mystery on today's evidence. Cant get into this team? The season hasn't even started đ§ That was the team penciled in to start next week - 100% |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 27, 2019 17:01:04 GMT
How Edwards can't get into this team is an absolute fucking mystery on today's evidence. I'm not sure he's not in our first XI, at least not until next weekend. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:01:48 GMT
Cant get into this team? The season hasn't even started đ§ That was the team penciled in to start next week - 100% People seem to still believe that our most expensive signing of the season was brought in for âcompetitionâ not to replace đ |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:02:58 GMT
Cant get into this team? The season hasn't even started đ§ That was the team penciled in to start next week - 100% I agree but it's a 46 game season, more including cup games. Just because smith has started the first game means very little. Hes impressed in the games he has featured in pre season, he scored in one of them. why should Edward's be a nailed on starter? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 27, 2019 17:03:41 GMT
In the second half I think Smith ended up with two palyers against him time after time. He had to get closer to the central defence to close the space, but still he had to sprint out wide to pick up a Leicester player as said time after time. This is a very difficult situation as fullback as everyone who has played in that position knows. One of the things NJ has to have a look at after this game. Overall I thought we did quite well.  I thought he improved second half not really helped by Clucas tbf been disciplined enough to cover him, the space between on CB's and defenders on both sides was alarming and needs to be addressed in the next week. On several occasions the fullbacks had to run inside and then run outside again. We need someone else to push up so the fullbacks can stay outside with the opposition's wide men. We also were enough men there, but the midfielders seemed to sink back into our own box intead of pushing up. Really should be easy to address this tactical change of position. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 27, 2019 17:07:10 GMT
Seemed the least of our problems today. Both goals can be pinned on him ffs. The left hand side was an abortion. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 27, 2019 17:09:33 GMT
Yeah he had a lot of energy first half but was knackered after about an hour and really poor defensively, and his delivery wasnât the best.
Itâs clear that the system lives or dies on the full backs and there are question marks over whether ours are fit for purpose.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:09:54 GMT
Which is the basic thing you would expect of a defender, we sold Pieters for ÂŁ1.5m and replaced him with a ÂŁ6m midfielder come winger and a pensioner making ourselves worse than before. Come on now how many time did Pieters do the same thing. I think we were mad getting Pieters but McCleanâs only been player there for a few weeks. Give in a break. From what I saw our new right back was more of a concern! He is not a natural defender you only have to watch his positioning, his lack of awareness, ability to tackle (or lack of) he will concede penalties for fun this season and his dangerous passing into the midfield areas, Edwards is better than Smith on today's evidence which beggars the question why did we buy him in the first place, thankfully we still have Jack without him, Ryan and Batth our situation could become desperate, not to mention the pair of clowns we had up front today. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:11:47 GMT
Yeah he had a lot of energy first half but was knackered after about an hour and really poor defensively, and his delivery wasnât the best. Itâs clear that the system lives or dies on the full backs and there are question marks over whether ours are fit for purpose. Who would that be down to ? |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:11:58 GMT
That was the team penciled in to start next week - 100% People seem to still believe that our most expensive signing of the season was brought in for âcompetitionâ not to replace đ They are a pair of full backs, stoke needed another full back, a good quality one becomes available and you believe stoke shouldn't sign him because Edward's might have to up his game to get in ahead of him. Unbelievable. If we signed everybody by your logic we would be heading down, not up |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:15:27 GMT
Come on now how many time did Pieters do the same thing. I think we were mad getting Pieters but McCleanâs only been player there for a few weeks. Give in a break. From what I saw our new right back was more of a concern! He is not a natural defender you only have to watch his positioning, his lack of awareness, ability to tackle (or lack of) he will concede penalties for fun this season and his dangerous passing into the midfield areas, Edwards is better than Smith on today's evidence which beggars the question why did we buy him in the first place, thankfully we still have Jack without him, Ryan and Batth our situation could become desperate, not to mention the pair of clowns we had up front today.  Iâm not saying on the whole the whole thing doesnât look like a total shit show but I just think McClean deserves a break. This isnât his choice or his fault. The blame lies with the manager. Maybe the LB situation will chance in Jan. Maybe the situation up front will see Campbell given a go and the right back situation see Edwards win back his place. Maybe Collins will step up to fill Ryanâs boots. And Verlinden will be the creativity we need. I might be clutching at straws I know! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:18:01 GMT
People seem to still believe that our most expensive signing of the season was brought in for âcompetitionâ not to replace đ They are a pair of full backs, stoke needed another full back, a good quality one becomes available and you believe stoke shouldn't sign him because Edward's might have to up his game to get in ahead of him. Unbelievable. If we signed everybody by your logic we would be heading down, not up You can buy a good player but if youâre spending your biggest transfer fee on a position where your current first choice is doing well itâs to replace them. A manager is always going to lean to a player heâs bought and the player heâs bought is not better than what we had. Everyone is basing their judgements on what he did 2/3 years ago in the championship. Edwards was supposed to be our future and weâve shopped in Huddersfields past. |
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Post by wuzza on Jul 27, 2019 17:18:44 GMT
Seemed the least of our problems today. Both goals can be pinned on him ffs. The left hand side was an abortion. Sorry but what I saw (only on a stream admitedly) showed chronic cover on the other side too. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:22:07 GMT
Seemed the least of our problems today. Both goals can be pinned on him ffs. The left hand side was an abortion. Yet Werrington has him down as Mom  this will not end well if Nath carries on playing him as LB, the whole system relies on full backs that control and dictate it, we now have two starting that can do neither, why did we bother selling Pieters he is still a better defender than both our current LB options or Tymon. |
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Post by salopian on Jul 27, 2019 17:25:26 GMT
I thought he was MOM today by a country Jesus! We were even worse then I thought we actually were in that case! God help us next season if that's the standard we need to be MOM! |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:29:00 GMT
He is not a natural defender you only have to watch his positioning, his lack of awareness, ability to tackle (or lack of) he will concede penalties for fun this season and his dangerous passing into the midfield areas, Edwards is better than Smith on today's evidence which beggars the question why did we buy him in the first place, thankfully we still have Jack without him, Ryan and Batth our situation could become desperate, not to mention the pair of clowns we had up front today. Iâm not saying on the whole the whole thing doesnât look like a total shit show but I just think McClean deserves a break. This isnât his choice or his fault. The blame lies with the manager. Maybe the LB situation will chance in Jan. Maybe the situation up front will see Campbell given a go and the right back situation see Edwards win back his place. Maybe Collins will step up to fill Ryanâs boots. And Verlinden will be the creativity we need. I might be clutching at straws I know! Jan could be far to late, Nathan has had months to sort this out and has failed abysmally, the thought of McClean playing as our regular LB is fucking lunacy, I get it's not his fault but he will be the one getting shredded every week on and off the pitch for his performances, as for the rest I pray you are right but I am not sure I trust Jones to see it. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:29:13 GMT
They are a pair of full backs, stoke needed another full back, a good quality one becomes available and you believe stoke shouldn't sign him because Edward's might have to up his game to get in ahead of him. Unbelievable. If we signed everybody by your logic we would be heading down, not up You can buy a good player but if youâre spending your biggest transfer fee on a position where your current first choice is doing well itâs to replace them. A manager is always going to lean to a player heâs bought and the player heâs bought is not better than what we had. Everyone is basing their judgements on what he did 2/3 years ago in the championship. Edwards was supposed to be our future and weâve shopped in Huddersfields past. Right, today you have just seen shawcross get injured that may keep him out for the season. What if that was Edward's and we'd brought in some understudy to Edward's instead of smith? What would you be thinking now? I can guess actually, jones would be a fool for signing an inferior player. Manager can't win. Criticising a manager for bringing in quality in depth in any position is ridiculous |
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Post by salopian on Jul 27, 2019 17:30:33 GMT
Come on now how many time did Pieters do the same thing. I think we were mad getting Pieters but McCleanâs only been player there for a few weeks. Give in a break. From what I saw our new right back was more of a concern! He is not a natural defender you only have to watch his positioning, his lack of awareness, ability to tackle (or lack of) he will concede penalties for fun this season and his dangerous passing into the midfield areas, Edwards is better than Smith on today's evidence which beggars the question why did we buy him in the first place, thankfully we still have Jack without him, Ryan and Batth our situation could become desperate, not to mention the pair of clowns we had up front today. Pretty fair assessment. May of been Leicester and a friendly but again to many problem areas not addressed to be a challenger again this season. I think a fair few will be bored sitting in their seats again unless some pace is introduced along with a finisher at this level. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 17:30:58 GMT
You can buy a good player but if youâre spending your biggest transfer fee on a position where your current first choice is doing well itâs to replace them. A manager is always going to lean to a player heâs bought and the player heâs bought is not better than what we had. Everyone is basing their judgements on what he did 2/3 years ago in the championship. Edwards was supposed to be our future and weâve shopped in Huddersfields past. Right, today you have just seen shawcross get injured that may keep him out for the season. What if that was Edward's and wed brought in some understudy to Edward's instead of smith? What would you be thinking now? I can guess actually, jones would be a fool for signing an inferior player. Manager cant win It doesnât make any difference to that fact that Edwards has lost his starting spot and shouldnât have. Buy Smith if he wants but Edwards had done nothing to be replaced... which he clearly has regardless of whatever excuses youâre going to come up with next. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
You can buy a good player but if youâre spending your biggest transfer fee on a position where your current first choice is doing well itâs to replace them. A manager is always going to lean to a player heâs bought and the player heâs bought is not better than what we had. Everyone is basing their judgements on what he did 2/3 years ago in the championship. Edwards was supposed to be our future and weâve shopped in Huddersfields past. Right, today you have just seen shawcross get injured that may keep him out for the season. What if that was Edward's and we'd brought in some understudy to Edward's instead of smith? What would you be thinking now? I can guess actually, jones would be a fool for signing an inferior player. Manager can't win. Criticising a manager for bringing in quality in depth in any position is ridiculous Is Ward a better than LB than McClean ? is McClean a better LB than Pieters ? where does this leave Tymon ? |
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Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2019 17:35:07 GMT
We need another left back now!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 27, 2019 17:35:59 GMT
Yeah he had a lot of energy first half but was knackered after about an hour and really poor defensively, and his delivery wasnât the best. Itâs clear that the system lives or dies on the full backs and there are question marks over whether ours are fit for purpose. Perfectly put. |
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Post by fca47 on Jul 27, 2019 17:38:22 GMT
Right, today you have just seen shawcross get injured that may keep him out for the season. What if that was Edward's and we'd brought in some understudy to Edward's instead of smith? What would you be thinking now? I can guess actually, jones would be a fool for signing an inferior player. Manager can't win. Criticising a manager for bringing in quality in depth in any position is ridiculous Is Ward a better than LB than McClean ? is McClean a better LB than Pieters ? where does this leave Tymon ? In Portugal. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:40:22 GMT
Right, today you have just seen shawcross get injured that may keep him out for the season. What if that was Edward's and we'd brought in some understudy to Edward's instead of smith? What would you be thinking now? I can guess actually, jones would be a fool for signing an inferior player. Manager can't win. Criticising a manager for bringing in quality in depth in any position is ridiculous Is Ward a better than LB than McClean ? is McClean a better LB than Pieters ? where does this leave Tymon ? Tymon - let's just be polite and say hes not ready. Pieters - sing and dance about it all you want he is NOT an attacking fullback, he cant cross for shit either, he is NOT suitable for the role Jones wants from his full backs Ward - the jury is out, you're slating a player you havn't even seen yet who is known for having a good cross on him and has arrived from a club a league above us McLean- if this guy scored 3 a game plenty of bone heads would still slag him off. I'm looking forward to all your compliments during the season when he does good things đ he was our best player in the first half against opposition a league above |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:46:07 GMT
Is Ward a better than LB than McClean ? is McClean a better LB than Pieters ? where does this leave Tymon ? Tymon - let's just be polite and say hes not ready. Pieters - sing and dance about it all you want he is NOT an attacking fullback, he cant cross for shit either, he is NOT suitable for the role Jones wants from his full backs Ward - the jury is out, you're slating a player you havn't even seen yet who is known for having a good cross on him and has arrived from a club a league above us McLean- if this guy scored 3 a game plenty of bone heads would still slag him off. I'm looking forward to all your compliments during the season when he does good things đ he was our best player in the first half against opposition a league above So McClean is an attacking full back ?, Ward should if anything be starting as a natural left back so why wasn't he ?, our best player in the first half was Jack or Batth and McClean was at fault for their first in the first half, if he actually plays well regularly I will compliment him, let's bookmark this and return to it say around the end of October is that fair ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 27, 2019 17:47:21 GMT
So McClean is an attacking full back ?, Ward should if anything be starting as a natural left back so why wasn't he ?, our best player in the first half was Jack or Batth and McClean was at fault for their first in the first half, if he actually plays well regularly I will compliment him, let's bookmark this and return to it say around the end of October is that fair ? By the way how many did Pieters score last season compared to McClean? |
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Post by pottersrule on Jul 27, 2019 17:48:37 GMT
I thought he was MOM today by a country How dare you? I have more concerns over our frontline to be honest.I know it's a friendly but the lack of a cutting edge was again apparent,and the penalty curse continues to worry me. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jul 27, 2019 17:49:00 GMT
Tymon - let's just be polite and say hes not ready. Pieters - sing and dance about it all you want he is NOT an attacking fullback, he cant cross for shit either, he is NOT suitable for the role Jones wants from his full backs Ward - the jury is out, you're slating a player you havn't even seen yet who is known for having a good cross on him and has arrived from a club a league above us McLean- if this guy scored 3 a game plenty of bone heads would still slag him off. I'm looking forward to all your compliments during the season when he does good things đ he was our best player in the first half against opposition a league above So McClean is an attacking full back ?, Ward should if anything be starting as a natural left back so why wasn't he ?, our best player in the first half was Jack or Batth and McClean was at fault for their first in the first half, if he actually plays well regularly I will compliment him, let's bookmark this and return to it say around the end of October is that fair ?  McLean has more potential than pieters to become an attacking full back, all day, every day. Sorry I'm sick of seeing pieters get so far forward and fluff a good opportunity because of his final ball. Even defensively he is only 'o.k' at best, pieters was just a position filler for me, nothing special. Also part of our shit show defence for the past 3 years. McLean has all the tools to be a good lb at this level and I believe jones can guide him too it, and so can ward |
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Post by skelman on Jul 27, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
Seemed the least of our problems today. Both goals can be pinned on him ffs. The left hand side was an abortion. Never ever going to be remotely like ideal this option with McLean. Square peg in a round hole yet again!! Why we havenât learnt from the Diouf, Pieters, Bauer etc situations defies logic. This is a specialist position key to the diamond ever having the remotest chance of working! We have McLean and Ward. If we rely on utility players such as BMI or Clucas or playing guys out of position like Edwards instead of getting the real deal we are asking for trouble! If weâre not careful players are going to be looking over their shoulders all over again and to the same effect as last season. |
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Post by stokie223 on Jul 27, 2019 17:54:25 GMT
So McClean is an attacking full back ?, Ward should if anything be starting as a natural left back so why wasn't he ?, our best player in the first half was Jack or Batth and McClean was at fault for their first in the first half, if he actually plays well regularly I will compliment him, let's bookmark this and return to it say around the end of October is that fair ? McLean has more potential than pieters to become an attacking full back, all day, every day. Sorry I'm sick of seeing pieters get so far forward and fluff a good opportunity because of his final ball. Even defensively he is only 'o.k' at best, pieters was just a position filler for me, nothing special. Also part of our shit show defence for the past 3 years. McLean has all the tools to be a good lb at this level and I believe jones can guide him too it, and so can ward If McClean wasn't a workhorse, he wouldn't even be a professional footballer. I thought he made some decent challenges today & he can be commended for that, but he is a terrible, terrible footballer. Had a hand in both of their goals (positioning). No REAL pace, his first touch is woeful, passing is often wayward & he has no end product. A winger that neither scores, nor assists with any real consistency. He once went nearly 18 months (roughly) without scoring for West Brom, and got 2 or 3 assists in that time. I'm sorry, but he's garbage. |
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this will not end well if Nath carries on playing him as LB, the whole system relies on full backs that control and dictate it, we now have two starting that can do neither, why did we bother selling Pieters he is still a better defender than both our current LB options or Tymon. 
