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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 19, 2019 9:30:20 GMT
Joe Allen is the third worst midfielder in the league for losing the ball, he simply cannot be allowed to play CDM. Where does that complete and utter bullshit stat come from? Quick check and he was dispossessed less times per game than Jack Grealish on average per game last season, nowhere near the top ten worst players in the league for it. Passing success rate 5th highest in our team, most tackles per game. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 19, 2019 9:31:15 GMT
If we were in for him, you have to think we weren't interested in paying decent money or getting into any sort of bidding war. Or...we just weren't in for him. Or may be we are at our current spending limit. For whatever reasons. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 19, 2019 9:34:35 GMT
Joe Allen is the third worst midfielder in the league for losing the ball, he simply cannot be allowed to play CDM. Where does that complete and utter bullshit stat come from? Quick check and he was dispossessed less times per game than Jack Grealish on average per game last season, nowhere near the top ten worst players in the league for it. Passing success rate 5th highest in our team, most tackles per game. You mean the attacking midfielder/winger Jack Grealish? Compare like for like ffs CM/CDM weighted per 90 mins. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 19, 2019 9:35:04 GMT
If we were in for him, you have to think we weren't interested in paying decent money or getting into any sort of bidding war. Or...we just weren't in for him. Or may be we are at our current spending limit. For whatever reasons. I certainly think we're at our midfielder limit if you factor in Imbula and Badou! I guess until their immediate future's are sorted we're a bit stuck, but Nathan has said we're in for a couple more, so would they be on loan or would one take all of our spare cash? |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 19, 2019 9:35:05 GMT
That’s annoying.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 19, 2019 9:39:40 GMT
I doubt we were ever in for him
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 19, 2019 9:42:17 GMT
Where does that complete and utter bullshit stat come from? Quick check and he was dispossessed less times per game than Jack Grealish on average per game last season, nowhere near the top ten worst players in the league for it. Passing success rate 5th highest in our team, most tackles per game. You mean the attacking midfielder/winger Jack Grealish? Compare like for like ffs CM/CDM weighted per 90 mins. Jack Grealish plays centre midfield. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jul 19, 2019 9:46:52 GMT
Infuriating.
Obviously an 'if' but quite aside from him actually doing a proper job at CDM for us this season, 'if' he delivers on his potential, he could repay that outlay tenfold.
So from a playing perspective, Farto has arguably soiled himself as has our chief bean counter from a financial one.
Add in the huge brownie points out there just waiting to be claimed, as indicated by his near universal approval and we have really messed up.
Absolute nonsense Stoke.
These other two better be pretty chuffin' special.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 19, 2019 9:52:48 GMT
Don't worry. Our transfer team cavalry are even now racing to intervene and make up some ground on the enemy. Rotherham won't know whats hit them. Or so we might hope.  |
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2019 9:53:29 GMT
I doubt we were ever in for him There is only Chopper's posts re him no media reports linking Stoke to him however Chopper's ITK record is superb. I think most people will go with Chopper. If we weren't in for him that would be poor. If we were and he's chosen Albion then shrug shoulders surely? 50/50 choice from a players point of view. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 19, 2019 9:53:48 GMT
You mean the attacking midfielder/winger Jack Grealish? Compare like for like ffs CM/CDM weighted per 90 mins. Jack Grealish plays centre midfield. Even if you factor Grealish and AMCs in for the sake of argument, because he's an attacking mid (not my words, every stat collecting site's) and not playing anywhere near the same role that Allen does, he's the 11th worst out of 66. Completely unsuitable for CDM. But factoring in Grealish and such is moot, because Jack Grealish isn't potentially being asked to play CDM, Joe Allen is. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2019 9:54:19 GMT
Infuriating.
Obviously an 'if' but quite aside from him actually doing a proper job at CDM for us this season, 'if' he delivers on his potential, he could repay that outlay tenfold.
So from a playing perspective, Farto has arguably soiled himself as has our chief bean counter from a financial one.
Add in the huge brownie points out there just waiting to be claimed, as indicated by his near universal approval and we have really messed up.
Absolute nonsense Stoke.
These other two better be pretty chuffin' special.
Maybe this has been in the works for weeks? Maybe the player wanted to weigh his options up until now? We don't know, do we? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2019 9:55:25 GMT
Jack Grealish plays centre midfield. Even if you factor Grealish and AMCs in for the sake of argument, because he's an attacking mid (not my words, every stat collecting site's) and not playing anywhere near the same role that Allen does, he's the 11th worst out of 66. Completely unsuitable for CDM. I wonder if he might be more capable, given his role for Wales and his very good game in that role against (I think) Forest? Obviously would be preferable to sign a proper one. |
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Post by Davef on Jul 19, 2019 9:58:47 GMT
Infuriating.
Obviously an 'if' but quite aside from him actually doing a proper job at CDM for us this season, 'if' he delivers on his potential, he could repay that outlay tenfold.
So from a playing perspective, Farto has arguably soiled himself as has our chief bean counter from a financial one.Â
Add in the huge brownie points out there just waiting to be claimed, as indicated by his near universal approval and we have really messed up.
Absolute nonsense Stoke.
These other two better be pretty chuffin' special.Â
If this lad has gone to West Brom, and if Stoke were interested in him, made a bid and spoke to him, how exactly have we messed up? If a player has a choice of clubs, he can't sign for all of them! Or do some of our fans think we have a divine right to sign every player we're interested in? |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 19, 2019 9:59:10 GMT
Cue Phase 2 of the oatcake coverage. Slag off the new West Brom signing and do a complete character assasination of this totally inadequate and inept excuse for a midfield footballer.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 19, 2019 9:59:19 GMT
Even if you factor Grealish and AMCs in for the sake of argument, because he's an attacking mid (not my words, every stat collecting site's) and not playing anywhere near the same role that Allen does, he's the 11th worst out of 66. Completely unsuitable for CDM. I wonder if he might be more capable, given his role for Wales and his very good game in that role against (I think) Forest? Obviously would be preferable to sign a proper one.The whole point, I've never said on this thread or others that Joe Allen is shit, I've said he does adequately in a number of roles, but specialists in those roles could perform them even better. I think trying to find his best position and constantly moving him round the midfield has hindered Joe himself more than anything else. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2019 10:03:52 GMT
Cue Phase 2 of the oatcake coverage. Slag off the new West Brom signing and do a complete character assasination of this totally inadequate and inept excuse for a midfield footballer. For a bloke who seems to hate this place, you're sure on here an awful lot. |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 19, 2019 10:08:00 GMT
A clumsy, lumbering heap of shite anyway!
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 19, 2019 10:12:34 GMT
Cue Phase 2 of the oatcake coverage. Slag off the new West Brom signing and do a complete character assasination of this totally inadequate and inept excuse for a midfield footballer. For a bloke who seems to hate this place, you're sure on here an awful lot.[/b] As of course are you!. The thing is I take very little of what's written here seriously, and that includes my own minor contributions. And yes, believe it or not I was joking. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2019 10:18:44 GMT
For a bloke who seems to hate this place, you're sure on here an awful lot.[/b] As of course are you!. The thing is I take very little of what's written here seriously, and that includes my own minor contributions. And yes, believe it or not I was joking.[/quote] I don't constantly moan my bag off about how terrible it is on the messageboard though. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jul 19, 2019 10:22:38 GMT
Onto the next one.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 19, 2019 10:45:18 GMT
[/b] As of course are you!. The thing is I take very little of what's written here seriously, and that includes my own minor contributions. And yes, believe it or not I was joking.[/quote] I don't constantly moan my bag off about how terrible it is on the messageboard though.[/quote] I think you're confusing me with someone else. Unless you misunderstood my clear insightful prose and the occasional pithy one liners.  |
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 19, 2019 10:52:56 GMT
Serious question
Ajayi or Bielik
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 19, 2019 10:54:39 GMT
[/b] As of course are you!. The thing is I take very little of what's written here seriously, and that includes my own minor contributions. And yes, believe it or not I was joking.[/quote] I don't constantly moan my bag off about how terrible it is on the messageboard though.[/quote] I think you're confusing me with someone else. Unless you misunderstood my clear insightful prose and the occasional pithy one liners. [/quote] Between this and your threads that start 'any chance of some interesting threads?' I don't think I am. |
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Post by lordb on Jul 19, 2019 11:15:54 GMT
Serious question Ajayi or Bielik Don't know tbh. Different type of players even though we would have had either in the same role. Bielik certainly got good reviews and is Younger. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 11:22:35 GMT
Serious question Ajayi or Bielik Bielik |
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Post by stokerstayinup on Jul 19, 2019 11:27:39 GMT
Where does that complete and utter bullshit stat come from? Quick check and he was dispossessed less times per game than Jack Grealish on average per game last season, nowhere near the top ten worst players in the league for it. Passing success rate 5th highest in our team, most tackles per game. You mean the attacking midfielder/winger Jack Grealish? Compare like for like ffs CM/CDM weighted per 90 mins. Haha.What a load of shite. You can't compare Allen's stats with defensive midfielders from other clubs because Allen didn't play that role for us. It's not a coincidence that the most attacking midfielders will top that list and those that sit in front of the back four and lay the ball off will be near the bottom. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 11:39:12 GMT
Charlton fan I know absolutely raves about Bielik and how good he was in their diamond last year.
"Our best player by far and the main reason we went up".
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 19, 2019 12:30:48 GMT
You mean the attacking midfielder/winger Jack Grealish? Compare like for like ffs CM/CDM weighted per 90 mins. Haha.What a load of shite. You can't compare Allen's stats with defensive midfielders from other clubs because Allen didn't play that role for us. It's not a coincidence that the most attacking midfielders will top that list and those that sit in front of the back four and lay the ball off will be near the bottom. It's a comparison with other central midfielders at CM and CDM to investigate if Allen could transition to bona fide base of the diamond CDM. I don't get how that isn't fair? Factor in CAMs he's still 11th out of 66 for losing the ball among those playing 20 games. Take out CDMs and CAMS and leave it as just CMs he's 3rd worse out of 28. My whole point is based around the fact CDMs can't have bad control or lose the ball, both of which Allen is prone to and why I don't think he should be used as one if Jones can't bring another one in which has been mooted on this thread and others. People really need to stop being so precious about the guy and any criticism he might receive. He puts a lot of effort and heart into his game and attitude wise comparatively he's in a different league. But that doesn't compensate for the other stuff he may not actually be that good at. |
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Post by madeleystokie on Jul 19, 2019 12:51:59 GMT
In fairness, chopper doesn't actually say which club were in talks with Ajayi...  |
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