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Post by Veritas on Jun 28, 2019 14:12:09 GMT
Whatever you think about O'Neil this is madness by Forest. If he's lost the dressing room to that extent then something has to give you'd think. I agree but he hasn't lost the dressing room this week has he, if the problems were that bad it must have been obvious at the end of last season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 14:34:30 GMT
Shit! No chance of getting rid of Maclean now. There never was any chance of that anyway. McClean loves being a Stokie, and he's his manager's favourite player! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 14:38:15 GMT
New coach already appointed. Sabri Lamouchi...who is on the books of Jorge Mendes.....let's hope that doesn't mean much eh? Had a decent spell at Rennes in 17/18. Now that is nearly as inspired an appointment as Leeds' of Bielsa. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2019 14:39:16 GMT
Shit! No chance of getting rid of Maclean now. There never was any chance of that anyway. McClean loves being a Stokie, and he's his manager's favourite player! As much as he clearly likes his attitude (and I admit that was obvious from the way he talked about him and the way he played him week after week), surely when there's no McClean-shaped role in the formation we'll be playing for most of the time (apart from the not-ideal left-back slot that will soon be filled by 2 non-McClean options), it's only natural that people put 2 and 2 together and come to something close to 4, and conclude that there has to be doubts about his future? Because he doesn't strike you as the type who'll be happy with the odd cameo? |
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Post by stokeson on Jun 28, 2019 15:07:34 GMT
Won- 8 lost- 8 draw-3 in 19. No manager is going to keep their job with results like that are they???
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 28, 2019 15:20:46 GMT
Time to get Osborn if we want him?
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 28, 2019 15:27:30 GMT
Wow interesting appointment, expect Ya Ya Toure to turn up along with Wilf Bony. After all he has coached both a few years back and that seems to be good enough for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 15:31:18 GMT
There never was any chance of that anyway. McClean loves being a Stokie, and he's his manager's favourite player! As much as he clearly likes his attitude (and I admit that was obvious from the way he talked about him and the way he played him week after week), surely when there's no McClean-shaped role in the formation we'll be playing for most of the time (apart from the not-ideal left-back slot that will soon be filled by 2 non-McClean options), it's only natural that people put 2 and 2 together and come to something close to 4, and conclude that there has to be doubts about his future? Because he doesn't strike you as the type who'll be happy with the odd cameo? There's no problem in this. Jones will just shape McClean into a designated role in the not so clear cut formation anyway, as recent signings suggest. The week Jones was appointed (when I was a whole lot more enthusiastic about his qualities), I suggested that Jones could transform McClean into a ballwinning midfielder. That didn't happen, but he tried him virtually all over the pitch, up front, the role in the hole, central, left back, you name it. It seems obvious that the manager sees some qualities in McClean that are hidden to everyone else, and let's face it, all great managers have had a player like that. Ramsey had Stiles, Lattek had Schwartzenbeck and Roth, Schon had Holzenbein, Revie had Hunter, Curbishley had Leaburn, Pulis had Sidibe, and all Brazilian managers had, until recently, alleged goalies. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2019 15:47:55 GMT
As much as he clearly likes his attitude (and I admit that was obvious from the way he talked about him and the way he played him week after week), surely when there's no McClean-shaped role in the formation we'll be playing for most of the time (apart from the not-ideal left-back slot that will soon be filled by 2 non-McClean options), it's only natural that people put 2 and 2 together and come to something close to 4, and conclude that there has to be doubts about his future? Because he doesn't strike you as the type who'll be happy with the odd cameo? There's no problem in this. Jones will just shape McClean into a designated role in the not so clear cut formation anyway, as recent signings suggest. The week Jones was appointed (when I was a whole lot more enthusiastic about his qualities), I suggested that Jones could transform McClean into a ballwinning midfielder. That didn't happen, but he tried him virtually all over the pitch, up front, the role in the hole, central, left back, you name it. It seems obvious that the manager sees some qualities in McClean that are hidden to everyone else, and let's face it, all great managers have had a player like that. Ramsey had Stiles, Lattek had Schwartzenbeck and Roth, Schon had Holzenbein, Revie had Hunter, Curbishley had Leaburn, Pulis had Sidibe, and all Brazilian managers had, until recently, alleged goalies. I'd be fascinated to see that! I don't think the results would be pretty. He's about as one-dimensional a player as you'll ever see as I'm sure even his superfans would concede? Should he stay, I can see him figuring occasionally when we do switch formation, but I get the impression based on his Luton tenure that will be reasonably rare. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 15:58:33 GMT
There's no problem in this. Jones will just shape McClean into a designated role in the not so clear cut formation anyway, as recent signings suggest. The week Jones was appointed (when I was a whole lot more enthusiastic about his qualities), I suggested that Jones could transform McClean into a ballwinning midfielder. That didn't happen, but he tried him virtually all over the pitch, up front, the role in the hole, central, left back, you name it. It seems obvious that the manager sees some qualities in McClean that are hidden to everyone else, and let's face it, all great managers have had a player like that. Ramsey had Stiles, Lattek had Schwartzenbeck and Roth, Schon had Holzenbein, Revie had Hunter, Curbishley had Leaburn, Pulis had Sidibe, and all Brazilian managers had, until recently, alleged goalies. I'd be fascinated to see that! I don't think the results would be pretty. He's about as one-dimensional a player as you'll ever see as I'm sure even his superfans would concede? Should he stay, I can see him figuring occasionally when we do switch formation, but I get the impression based on his Luton tenure that will be reasonably rare. You'll have to ask his superfans. I have no idea who they are, although I do believe the president of his fan club is one N.J.Jones, who was a left midfielder come leftback himself. We all thought he was finished here when the manager came in. We were all wrong! |
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jun 28, 2019 16:25:09 GMT
.... Good. Takes them out of any possible equation I think O’Neill staying their would have been more of a factor in removing them from the equation. Depends on who they bring in next. |
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Post by loosestools on Jun 28, 2019 16:38:20 GMT
The Mendes link worries me, are they hoping to emulate Wolves?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2019 16:43:43 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Jun 28, 2019 17:08:30 GMT
Whatever you think about O'Neil this is madness by Forest. If he's lost the dressing room to that extent then something has to give you'd think. How do you lose the dressing room in the close season when all are on holiday? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2019 17:18:41 GMT
Really don’t get why anyone would want MON nowadays.
Forest have done well.
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 28, 2019 17:25:08 GMT
Got to be the worst time to sack a manager surely? right at the beginning of preseason where transfer targets will have been discussed and agreed on. Sets them back No, the worst time to sack a manager is 18months too late. It cost a $#!t load of money & a shed load of grief to sort that out... |
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Post by rawli on Jun 28, 2019 17:51:47 GMT
.... Good. Takes them out of any possible equation You seriously think they were a threat with Martin O'Neill in charge? |
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Post by werrington on Jun 28, 2019 18:12:09 GMT
Since 2011 no manager has lasted longer than 13 months at Forest
Wow
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
Since 2011 no manager has lasted longer than 13 months at Forest Wow If people keep getting jumpy here we won't be far off if we're not careful. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 28, 2019 19:38:03 GMT
It was always going to be a disastrous appointment. Completely against what the club had signalled their intentions to be.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 28, 2019 21:02:34 GMT
just over an hour between announcements, thats ruthless I bet Scholesy is scratching his head at this. Surely it takes at least three week to sound out a replacement. |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2019 21:15:05 GMT
Since 2011 no manager has lasted longer than 13 months at Forest Wow If people keep getting jumpy here we won't be far off if we're not careful. Well winning the odd football match won't do any harm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 21:24:07 GMT
If people keep getting jumpy here we won't be far off if we're not careful. Well winning the odd football match won't do any harm. Oh, do you get more points for a win? |
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Post by nott1 on Jun 29, 2019 9:49:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2019 9:57:35 GMT
He was appointed 18 minutes after the sacking. |
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Post by cerebralstokie on Jun 29, 2019 13:21:44 GMT
Interesting article in todays Grauniad (on M.O.N.s career). It seems as though good man management is almost as important as good coaching in making a successful team (not exactly rocket science). The players seem to have the upper hand in so many of today's teams. Forest are becoming more of a laughing stock than we are in terms of changing managers when things don't work out as expected.
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Post by zerps on Jun 29, 2019 14:13:14 GMT
Always comes across as a complete sausage as far as I’m concerned
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 30, 2019 15:19:41 GMT
Won- 8 lost- 8 draw-3 in 19. No manager is going to keep their job with results like that are they??? I think ours did. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 30, 2019 15:27:26 GMT
Good CV MON
50% win rate with pretty much 50/50 the other games.
Excellent for Wycombe, Leicester and Celtic and built a good Villa side
Also offered us Mike Sheron when at Norwich so he's ok with me.
Maybe getting a bit long in the tooth now
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2019 16:36:03 GMT
Roy Keane is certainly relaxed about it, just been in the Honey Bee in Wilmslow having a couple of beers, laughing and joking with my two lads about Stoke, saying he’s watched us more than any other team in the country over the last few years because of all the Irish players we’ve had....
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