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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jun 28, 2019 7:34:21 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. Many posters on here run on vitriol - it’s what gets them through the day. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 28, 2019 7:52:53 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. Many posters on here run on vitriol - it’s what gets them through the day. It's not just on here. It's football supporters in general these days. Hate first think second. |
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Post by stokienorthants on Jun 28, 2019 8:01:04 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. Many posters on here run on vitriol - it’s what gets them through the day. I thought that was the stuff you put on your dodgy knee! |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 28, 2019 8:02:53 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. He's the 21st Century Richie Barker. He gave us some fantastic times with an absolutely brilliant squad but the lasting effects of some key decisions made by him damaged the club for the next decade or so. I sincerely hope that isn't the case with Hughes but there's plenty of evidence to suggest it might be the case. Excellent comparison! Don't get JoeinOz started on POMO!  |
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 28, 2019 9:02:09 GMT
LMH is a good manager and produces decent football.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 28, 2019 9:12:05 GMT
Only 6 managers have won more premier league games , One of them surely has to be TP? If not he must be somewhere up there  On the website I saw Hughes was around 5th favourite. Surprisingly TP was a long way down the list, must be cos he lives so far away... |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 28, 2019 9:18:18 GMT
He did very well for us until things started to go tits up, which you can't entirely blame him for as the board should have acted much sooner than they did. That said, during that excellent three year spell, I think we've probably been the exception rather than the rule during his managerial career and he probably doesn't deserve another crack at the top level based on his success - or lack of - as a manager.
If you asked QPR, Man City and Southampton fans they'd probably tell you he was shit. It's only here and Fulham that he's really done anything. As Toxic says, his days at the top level are surely over. Or at least they should be.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 28, 2019 9:22:28 GMT
I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that Ashley is batshit crazy enough to appoint LMH.
As ever, "buyer beware" applies.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 28, 2019 9:22:39 GMT
I think there's more than enough evidence to suggest that Ashley is batshit crazy enough to appoint LMH.
As ever, "buyer beware" applies.
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Post by kelw on Jun 28, 2019 9:22:42 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. If he'd left after 3 seasons he'd be remembered for some of the best football if not THE best many have seen. No manager has ever managed 4 top 10 finishes in a row in our history, he was 2 points from doing it. He deserves huge credit for that Sadly the last year or so was a disaster, a mixture of poor signings, seriously bad attitude from some players and poor decisions on the pitch completely overshadowed all that good work for many. Some of those performances v the likes of Chelsea/Man City/Man Utd/Liverpool etc will live in the memory for ever. When was the last time we used to blow the top sides away ? I would take 13th in the Prem now. Don't get me wrong, he had to go but some of the comments a bit unfair. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 28, 2019 9:27:16 GMT
😁 if he's applying so am i
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 9:30:06 GMT
I don’t quite get all of this vitriol aimed at Hughes who at times provided some of the best football and results since Waddo and certainly better than anyone who has followed him. Can’t imagine us winning away at Man City anytime soon. If he'd left after 3 seasons he'd be remembered for some of the best football if not THE best many have seen. No manager has ever managed 4 top 10 finishes in a row in our history, he was 2 points from doing it. He deserves huge credit for that Sadly the last year or so was a disaster, a mixture of poor signings, seriously bad attitude from some players and poor decisions on the pitch completely overshadowed all that good work for many. Some of those performances v the likes of Chelsea/Man City/Man Utd/Liverpool etc will live in the memory for ever. When was the last time we used to blow the top sides away ? I would take 13th in the Prem now. Don't get me wrong, he had to go but some of the comments a bit unfair. He did all that great stuff, and then single-handedly demolished it. For all the lack of ambition from the board etc., we would not have gone down had Hughes not completely bottled it tactically. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 28, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
He did very well for us until things started to go tits up, which you can't entirely blame him for as the board should have acted much sooner than they did. That said, during that excellent three year spell, I think we've probably been the exception rather than the rule during his managerial career and he probably doesn't deserve another crack at the top level based on his success - or lack of - as a manager. If you asked QPR, Man City and Southampton fans they'd probably tell you he was shit. It's only here and Fulham that he's really done anything. As Toxic says, his days at the top level are surely over. Or at least they should be. Very true but Blackburn, 3 top finishes also. He did keep QPR up they're quick to forget and Harry had longer there than he did that season they went down. I think he would be a decent appointment for a Sheff Weds or a Huddersfield kind of club. |
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Post by thevoid on Jun 28, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
Is Ashley a Makem? 😂
It's almost like he wants to alienate supporters.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 28, 2019 9:37:12 GMT
He did very well for us until things started to go tits up, which you can't entirely blame him for as the board should have acted much sooner than they did. That said, during that excellent three year spell, I think we've probably been the exception rather than the rule during his managerial career and he probably doesn't deserve another crack at the top level based on his success - or lack of - as a manager. If you asked QPR, Man City and Southampton fans they'd probably tell you he was shit. It's only here and Fulham that he's really done anything. As Toxic says, his days at the top level are surely over. Or at least they should be. Very true but Blackburn, 3 top finishes also. He did keep QPR up they're quick to forget and Harry had longer there than he did that season they went down. I think he would be a decent appointment for a Sheff Weds or a Huddersfield kind of club. Knew I’d forgotten someone. Of course Blackburn was his best spell anywhere but that’s 10-15 years ago now. I think the game has evolved to a point beyond where managers like Mark Hughes can excel. Even our own Jones has different sort of dynamism and enthusiasm to learn. I don’t think a lot of the older guys have that. |
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 28, 2019 9:37:18 GMT
Two and a half years of improvement, followed by a year of steady decline, followed by falling off a cliff.
He deserves credit for that first spell, and then deserves roasting for losing his shit in spectacular fashion. It’s unfair to call his entire tenure a disaster, even the most negative of our fans weren’t predicting our demise at the end of season 2.
His stock can’t be that high at the moment, can’t imagine Newcastle seeing him as near the top of their list.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 28, 2019 9:37:32 GMT
Robson green 3rd favourite
Jimmy nail 4th
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Post by Davef on Jun 28, 2019 9:38:55 GMT
and he's managed the 6th highest amount of games, so that's not very remarkable! Games still got to be won and you wouldn’t say he’d be favourite in the majority of those games given the clubs he’s managed Liverpool and Chelsea? Sorry, you're correct. Two of the smallest and poorest clubs in the history of the Premier League. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 9:39:16 GMT
People don’t have selective amnesia regarding Hughes. Give him a rock solid base crafted from years of due diligence, and then allow him to sprinkle some flair onto that base, and he’s a very good manager. Task him with rebuilding that base and he builds something about as useful as a house of cards in a hurricane.
If Hughes had left at the end of his third season then this vitriol wouldn’t exist. In fact, if we’d got rid just 2 or 3 weeks sooner I’d say there’s a very decent chance we’d still be a premiership club. It was misplaced faith and loyalty that decimated Hughes’ legacy as much as anything else.
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Post by kelw on Jun 28, 2019 9:45:43 GMT
Two and a half years of improvement, followed by a year of steady decline, followed by falling off a cliff. He deserves credit for that first spell, and then deserves roasting for losing his shit in spectacular fashion. It’s unfair to call his entire tenure a disaster, even the most negative of our fans weren’t predicting our demise at the end of season 2. His stock can’t be that high at the moment, can’t imagine Newcastle seeing him as near the top of their list. It's ok saying some were predicting his demise after season 2- some do that constantly so let's not go saying they were right. To finish above Everton/Chelsea/West Ham etc was some going. Some were predicting his demise before a ball was kicked let's be honest, many are doing it re this season before it's started. The way I look at- say in 10 years time when they do one of those history DVDs , how much of it will be those 3 seasons when we played some great stuff? We have never been a regular top 10 team, if you look back at the so called glory days, we rarely finished top half so credit where due. I agree with a comment above that maybe the Hughes/Pardew/Redknapp/Allardyce appointments are maybe a bit past it now in the Prem at least |
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Post by Do it for dobing on Jun 28, 2019 9:53:18 GMT
The three top 10 finishes were fantastic and the likes of Arni,Shaq and Bojan etc taking on the Premier Elite was dream land
He somehow lost all his good work by panicking in the transfer market on the likes of Berahino etc .Seemed to lose focus completely shame. Losing Nzonzi and Arni he couldnt replace and then Haugard for Butland was a disaster needed a good No 2
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Post by Davef on Jun 28, 2019 9:56:17 GMT
People don’t have selective amnesia regarding Hughes. Give him a rock solid base crafted from years of due diligence, and then allow him to sprinkle some flair onto that base, and he’s a very good manager. Task him with rebuilding that base and he builds something about as useful as a house of cards in a hurricane. If Hughes had left at the end of his third season then this vitriol wouldn’t exist. In fact, if we’d got rid just 2 or 3 weeks sooner I’d say there’s a very decent chance we’d still be a premiership club. It was misplaced faith and loyalty that decimated Hughes’ legacy as much as anything else. With a huge dollop of hindsight, I think you could argue that Hughes may have had enough to have just about got us over the line in 2017/18. What would have happened after that though is anyone's guess. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 28, 2019 9:56:29 GMT
People don’t have selective amnesia regarding Hughes. Give him a rock solid base crafted from years of due diligence, and then allow him to sprinkle some flair onto that base, and he’s a very good manager. Task him with rebuilding that base and he builds something about as useful as a house of cards in a hurricane. If Hughes had left at the end of his third season then this vitriol wouldn’t exist. In fact, if we’d got rid just 2 or 3 weeks sooner I’d say there’s a very decent chance we’d still be a premiership club. It was misplaced faith and loyalty that decimated Hughes’ legacy as much as anything else. We should have kept him for the whole season then got rid. We'd still be in the PL. Not sacking him in November was a bad error by Coates, compounded by sacking him half way through a window and bringing in Lambert. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 28, 2019 10:06:57 GMT
I don't see the basis for saying that Hughes would have kept us up at all. We were conceding goals for fun and he was actively throwing games away via his selection to try and rest his players because they were terribly unfit. We then ended up losing those games anyway. I think if he'd have stayed we'd have finished absolutely rock bottom because the man had no intention of changing any kind of mentality. Lambert came in and decided he was going to shut up shop and try to get us out that way. It obviously failed and he was definitely the wrong appointment. We'd conceded 47 in 22 games under Hughes....I don't see any kind of basis for suggesting that ratio would change if we'd kept him on.
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Post by kelw on Jun 28, 2019 10:11:19 GMT
Robson green 3rd favourite Jimmy nail 4th Sadly I Googled Robson Green as thought was a genuine name  . Should have read number 4 first I guess, I know who he is |
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 28, 2019 10:13:54 GMT
Robson green 3rd favourite Jimmy nail 4th Sadly I Googled Robson Green as thought was a genuine name :o . Should have read number 4 first I guess, I know who he is I think they're fishing in different ponds from the likes of Green. |
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Post by stokie1947 on Jun 28, 2019 10:17:02 GMT
be very surprised if this happens
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 28, 2019 10:22:27 GMT
People don’t have selective amnesia regarding Hughes. Give him a rock solid base crafted from years of due diligence, and then allow him to sprinkle some flair onto that base, and he’s a very good manager. Task him with rebuilding that base and he builds something about as useful as a house of cards in a hurricane. If Hughes had left at the end of his third season then this vitriol wouldn’t exist. In fact, if we’d got rid just 2 or 3 weeks sooner I’d say there’s a very decent chance we’d still be a premiership club. It was misplaced faith and loyalty that decimated Hughes’ legacy as much as anything else. With a huge dollop of hindsight, I think you could argue that Hughes may have had enough to have just about got us over the line in 2017/18. What would have happened after that though is anyone's guess. I think you are right Dave. I sort of understand the reaction after the Coventry game. But the board really should have been smarter both in terms of seeing Hughes's decline (in part due to shocking recruitment after Arnie had gone) and ensuring there was a cast iron replacement lined up. I am convinced and not with hindsight Hughes would have produced more points than the absolutely woeful Lambert. I still struggle to understand that appointment  |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 28, 2019 10:26:46 GMT
I don't hate Hughes but there is an ever increasing body of evidence at his previous clubs, that he can only produce in the short term. The only legacy's he has been allowed to build, all point to him being unable to deliver long term success.
We had 18 months under LMH that was probably the best football I have seen supporting Stoke, I am still struggling to get my head around how it turned in to the clusterfuck it did.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 28, 2019 11:13:37 GMT
I’m not sure the base he inherited was as solid as some claim but it can’t be denied that when the time came to replace it he got things spectacularly wrong.
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