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Post by Foster on Aug 27, 2019 8:03:01 GMT
So are you a yogurt knitter then Northwich 🧶 I've no idea what that is, so probably  Someone who knits yoghurts obviously. Keep up mate. |
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 10:07:18 GMT
A great little programme that Hugh and Anita did, what measures are you doing to reduce the use of plastic, post any good tips. We moved to milk bottles being delivered a couple of years ago. All fruit and meat bought at local shops taking our own containers. Spices, nuts, liquid soap, detergents bought from refill shops in Chester or Knutsford, any in Stoke yet? I refuse plastic bags I'd rather carry things in my hands than a carrier bag. I refuse well as much as I can prepackaged produce. I love the German way of money on bottles as a deposit to make sure you take them back. I would love glass instead of plastic bottles in shops for two reasons it's recyclable and lots of glass is very cool. I have numerous glass bottles with lights in etc. Unfortunately until "local" shops change there are few alternatives for shoppers on a budget other than supermarkets and plastic. |
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Post by yeokel on Aug 27, 2019 10:50:28 GMT
There is a snag with ‘money on plastic bottles’ in that if the ‘deposit’ is too low, people still chuck them away.
This can lead to unexpected consequences such as, when tried in Australia, it led to vagrants, druggies and other assorted forms of low life tipping people’s bins out to find the few plastic bottles they have discarded.
On the other hand, if the deposit is sufficiently high to encourage everyone to hand them back in, it can be accused of being socially exclusive as less well off people can’t afford to have large deposits tied up in their empty Sunny D bottles*
There is also an issue that recycled plastic is one of the few areas of recycling which can actually turn a profit.
Local authorities use this profit to subsidise other, unprofitable types of recycling. If you take the plastic profit away from them, something else may suffer as an unintended consequence.
Let me say, I’m all for encouraging recycling but it is not always as simple as it can seem to be.
*Other brands of unhealthy drinks are available.
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Post by Northy on Aug 27, 2019 10:59:47 GMT
I've no idea what that is, so probably Someone who knits yoghurts obviously. Keep up mate. After Ecosia'ing it, nope I'm not. The Mrs had me booking our holiday to ensure she was home for world clean up day on the 21st September |
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Post by Foster on Aug 27, 2019 11:09:21 GMT
There is a snag with ‘money on plastic bottles’ in that if the ‘deposit’ is too low, people still chuck them away. This can lead to unexpected consequences such as, when tried in Australia, it led to vagrants, druggies and other assorted forms of low life tipping people’s bins out to find the few plastic bottles they have discarded. On the other hand, if the deposit is sufficiently high to encourage everyone to hand them back in, it can be accused of being socially exclusive as less well off people can’t afford to have large deposits tied up in their empty Sunny D bottles* There is also an issue that recycled plastic is one of the few areas of recycling which can actually turn a profit. Local authorities use this profit to subsidise other, unprofitable types of recycling. If you take the plastic profit away from them, something else may suffer as an unintended consequence. Let me say, I’m all for encouraging recycling but it is not always as simple as it can seem to be. *Other brands of unhealthy drinks are available. Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Luxembourg... they all do returnables (glass). Costs around 10-30 cents per bottles depending on size. A plastic crate gets you around 3.50 EUR back. Plastic bottles go in the right recycling bag. I think the problem with giving back money for plastic bottles is that they can only be recycled back into bottles a couple of times. It probably costs more to recycle plastic than it does aluminium or glass. As for plastic bags. I don't think they even sell them in the supermarkets here in Belgium. I haven't seen one for ages. |
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 27, 2019 12:15:43 GMT
There is a snag with ‘money on plastic bottles’ in that if the ‘deposit’ is too low, people still chuck them away. This can lead to unexpected consequences such as, when tried in Australia, it led to vagrants, druggies and other assorted forms of low life tipping people’s bins out to find the few plastic bottles they have discarded. On the other hand, if the deposit is sufficiently high to encourage everyone to hand them back in, it can be accused of being socially exclusive as less well off people can’t afford to have large deposits tied up in their empty Sunny D bottles* There is also an issue that recycled plastic is one of the few areas of recycling which can actually turn a profit. Local authorities use this profit to subsidise other, unprofitable types of recycling. If you take the plastic profit away from them, something else may suffer as an unintended consequence. Let me say, I’m all for encouraging recycling but it is not always as simple as it can seem to be. *Other brands of unhealthy drinks are available. In Germany it's about 50cents a bottle so for a €1 drink it's €1.5 plus if you're able to forget the deposit you have places to leave them for the poor to collect not bins and that applies all over specific places in the open, at the last Eintracht game it was a €1 deposit for a reusable plastic mug outside the ground but there were places to leave them to be collected for the less better off to take them back for you allowing them to get the money back. |
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Post by thevoid on Aug 28, 2019 19:41:36 GMT
Diane Abbott has expressed her dismay over the Amazon fires, and hopes that it doesn't spread to Ebay.
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Post by musik on Aug 29, 2019 7:33:34 GMT
There is a snag with ‘money on plastic bottles’ in that if the ‘deposit’ is too low, people still chuck them away. This can lead to unexpected consequences such as, when tried in Australia, it led to vagrants, druggies and other assorted forms of low life tipping people’s bins out to find the few plastic bottles they have discarded. On the other hand, if the deposit is sufficiently high to encourage everyone to hand them back in, it can be accused of being socially exclusive as less well off people can’t afford to have large deposits tied up in their empty Sunny D bottles* There is also an issue that recycled plastic is one of the few areas of recycling which can actually turn a profit. Local authorities use this profit to subsidise other, unprofitable types of recycling. If you take the plastic profit away from them, something else may suffer as an unintended consequence. Let me say, I’m all for encouraging recycling but it is not always as simple as it can seem to be. *Other brands of unhealthy drinks are available. Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Luxembourg... they all do returnables (glass). Costs around 10-30 cents per bottles depending on size. A plastic crate gets you around 3.50 EUR back. Plastic bottles go in the right recycling bag. I think the problem with giving back money for plastic bottles is that they can only be recycled back into bottles a couple of times. It probably costs more to recycle plastic than it does aluminium or glass. As for plastic bags. I don't think they even sell them in the supermarkets here in Belgium. I haven't seen one for ages. I often buy plastic bags made of sugar cane. On TV they said it's more environment friendly than paper bags. We have recycled fanta, coca cola and that kind of bottles and cans for more than 50 years here in Sweden. Same procedure now as then. No difference. I always also thought every country around the globe had done that for Ages; and got the same corresponding sum per bottle for the trouble. |
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Post by Foster on Aug 29, 2019 13:39:28 GMT
Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Luxembourg... they all do returnables (glass). Costs around 10-30 cents per bottles depending on size. A plastic crate gets you around 3.50 EUR back. Plastic bottles go in the right recycling bag. I think the problem with giving back money for plastic bottles is that they can only be recycled back into bottles a couple of times. It probably costs more to recycle plastic than it does aluminium or glass. As for plastic bags. I don't think they even sell them in the supermarkets here in Belgium. I haven't seen one for ages. I often buy plastic bags made of sugar cane. On TV they said it's more environment friendly than paper bags. We have recycled fanta, coca cola and that kind of bottles and cans for more than 50 years here in Sweden. Same procedure now as then. No difference. I always also thought every country around the globe had done that for Ages; and got the same corresponding sum per bottle for the trouble. The UK is lagging well behind when it comes to recycling mate. The supermarkets are stocked full of ready made meals, plastic containers, individually packaged fruit, biscuits, etc. Still, i think there's movement in the right direction. Just a bit slow that's all. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 1, 2019 18:10:05 GMT
The Amazon and Bolivian fires are clearly a major issue in my opinion, as important as anything else that contributes to global warming BUT Sue Perkins' series has been very insightful on the importance of the Ganges to Hindus....and the contribution to the pollution of the sea. A good programme. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09blcw9 |
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 2, 2019 10:43:54 GMT
Is there a way they could use the plastic mountain waste stuff to fill the potholes in the roads there? Try living here. The pot holes are fucking everywhere. No Govt liability for damage either. 😡 |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 2, 2019 12:39:48 GMT
Diane Abbott has expressed her dismay over the Amazon fires, and hopes that it doesn't spread to Ebay. Diane abbot complained today about the lack of manufacturing in the U.K. . She said " i recently bought a portable radio and on the outside it said built in antenna, I don't even know where that is |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 2, 2019 12:41:04 GMT
Is there a way they could use the plastic mountain waste stuff to fill the potholes in the roads there? Try living here. The pot holes are fucking everywhere. No Govt liability for damage either. 😡 Well at least you are still in one piece , is it just Abaco that took the hit ? |
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 2, 2019 12:58:10 GMT
Try living here. The pot holes are fucking everywhere. No Govt liability for damage either. 😡 Well at least you are still in one piece , is it just Abaco that took the hit ? The worst hurricane in The Bahamas history. Abaco is totally fucked. No exaggeration. I am heading up there once airports re open. It’s now smashing Grand Bahama. |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 2, 2019 13:18:38 GMT
Well at least you are still in one piece , is it just Abaco that took the hit ? The worst hurricane in The Bahamas history. Abaco is totally fucked. No exaggeration. I am heading up there once airports re open. It’s now smashing Grand Bahama. Very sad mate , I know how the poorest people live there , they are so vulnerable to this type off disaster , when I worked there in late 80s we we're expecting one . It changed course and went to the UK instead. If remember |
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Post by musik on Sept 2, 2019 14:38:35 GMT
Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Luxembourg... they all do returnables (glass). Costs around 10-30 cents per bottles depending on size. A plastic crate gets you around 3.50 EUR back. I had to check it out, what a plastic "crate" is.😁 I suppose you mean a sort of plastic carrying open box for glass bottles. And when you say €3.50 you mean that plastic crate together with the 20 33 cl glass bottles or 6 large glass bottles (1.5 l each), I suppose. In Sweden they have stopped giving you back any money for the plastic "crate" itself, 25 years ago. And there aren't many glass bottles here nowadays. Most are made of soft plastic. Only alcohol bottles are made of glass (vodka, gin, cider, vine, beer), but you can never get any money for them. Only some soft plastic soft drink or mineral water bottles can give you money back (0.5 SEK-2.0 SEK = €0.05-€0.20). Addition: when I read about what a "plastic crate" is/can be, most pics show a very large plastic box, often with a lid, which has nothing to do with carrying glass bottles. That type of plastic boxes are very popular in Sweden to have in wardrobes or even on bookshelves. |
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 3, 2019 5:19:47 GMT
The worst hurricane in The Bahamas history. Abaco is totally fucked. No exaggeration. I am heading up there once airports re open. It’s now smashing Grand Bahama. Very sad mate , I know how the poorest people live there , they are so vulnerable to this type off disaster , when I worked there in late 80s we we're expecting one . It changed course and went to the UK instead. If remember And here we are on Tuesday morning and it is still battering Grand Bahama...... |
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 3, 2019 5:44:13 GMT
Very sad mate , I know how the poorest people live there , they are so vulnerable to this type off disaster , when I worked there in late 80s we we're expecting one . It changed course and went to the UK instead. If remember And here we are on Tuesday morning and it is still battering Grand Bahama...... That's not fair is it? |
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Post by Northy on Sept 10, 2019 6:50:01 GMT
Down south most of the rivers are drying up, 90% of the worlds chalk streams are in England, mainly in the south east, most are down to a trickle or dried up, once swarming with trout and mayfly and other wildlife, now mud beds with litter and sewage, just so people can wash their cars and jetwash their drives every week. Over abstraction for the constant expanding population, the environment agency is useless, ofwat issue fines, the companies just keep spilling raw sewage now and then and pass the fines onto the customers. Fergal Sharkey from the undertones is now a big environmentalist and campaigning against it. www.total-fishing.com/chalk-streams-in-crisis/www.anglersnet.co.uk/news/mps-respond-to-chalkstream-crisis-campaign/ |
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Post by Northy on Sept 10, 2019 21:12:01 GMT
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 10, 2019 22:16:22 GMT
Down south most of the rivers are drying up, 90% of the worlds chalk streams are in England, mainly in the south east, most are down to a trickle or dried up, once swarming with trout and mayfly and other wildlife, now mud beds with litter and sewage, just so people can wash their cars and jetwash their drives every week. Over abstraction for the constant expanding population, the environment agency is useless, ofwat issue fines, the companies just keep spilling raw sewage now and then and pass the fines onto the customers. Fergal Sharkey from the undertones is now a big environmentalist and campaigning against it. www.total-fishing.com/chalk-streams-in-crisis/www.anglersnet.co.uk/news/mps-respond-to-chalkstream-crisis-campaign/Raw sewage from the Llanrwst Treatment works flowed into the river Conwy on over 1000 occasions in the last 12 months. Over 30,000 incidents of raw sewage entering the river system in Wales last year alone. Ever likely they're all sheep-shaggers if they're drinking that shit. |
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Post by Northy on Jan 20, 2020 9:19:23 GMT
The plastic free shops are opening up quite a bit now, we have 1 in town which is good, you can even get breakfast cereals there. On their facebook site somebody has recently asked if they do gift packs  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 20, 2020 11:02:55 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2020 11:12:14 GMT
The plastic free shops are opening up quite a bit now, we have 1 in town which is good, you can even get breakfast cereals there. On their facebook site somebody has recently asked if they do gift packs Did you ever know Yorkie Dunn in the RN Northy? He opened up some shops in the Pompey area called 'easy weigh' while he was still in the RN, me and a mate did some shopfitting for him, the shops were full of bins and you just weighed what you needed bit like pik n mix, he made a fortune. He really used to piss the officers at North Corner off when he parked his Roller in the ratings car park  Anyroad, hemp is part of the solution, we should be planting it everywhere and using it for everything we currently use trees and fossil fuels for, it can do it all and it sequesters so much more CO2 than trees. |
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Post by Northy on Jan 20, 2020 11:34:51 GMT
We hardly eat meat anymore, but what we do buy is checked for source locally, the milk is basically 3 pints skimmed milk a week for tea. Tend to use oat milk or hemp milk for the morning porridge |
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Post by Northy on Jan 20, 2020 11:38:36 GMT
The plastic free shops are opening up quite a bit now, we have 1 in town which is good, you can even get breakfast cereals there. On their facebook site somebody has recently asked if they do gift packs Did you ever know Yorkie Dunn in the RN Northy? He opened up some shops in the Pompey area called 'easy weigh' while he was still in the RN, me and a mate did some shopfitting for him, the shops were full of bins and you just weighed what you needed bit like pik n mix, he made a fortune. He really used to piss the officers at North Corner off when he parked his Roller in the ratings car park Anyroad, hemp is part of the solution, we should be planting it everywhere and using it for everything we currently use trees and fossil fuels for, it can do it all and it sequesters so much more CO2 than trees. I did know a yorkie Dunn, not sure if it was the same one, could have been. yep, hemp is a good way forward, we do have hemp milk sometimes. The Chelsea Physics garden in London is a great little out of the way place for a visit, and shows all areas of the world that use natural products for things like clothes etc. weird as I was reading this, I've just had a spam call from an Ely 01353 number |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 11:52:20 GMT
We’ve recently gone back to having milk delivered in glass bottles instead of plastic, giving a bit more work to a local milkman who uses milk produced on local farms and delivers it to our doorstep in an all electric vehicle... just like we did in the 70’s 😁
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2020 11:59:16 GMT
Did you ever know Yorkie Dunn in the RN Northy? He opened up some shops in the Pompey area called 'easy weigh' while he was still in the RN, me and a mate did some shopfitting for him, the shops were full of bins and you just weighed what you needed bit like pik n mix, he made a fortune. He really used to piss the officers at North Corner off when he parked his Roller in the ratings car park Anyroad, hemp is part of the solution, we should be planting it everywhere and using it for everything we currently use trees and fossil fuels for, it can do it all and it sequesters so much more CO2 than trees. I did know a yorkie Dunn, not sure if it was the same one, could have been. yep, hemp is a good way forward, we do have hemp milk sometimes. The Chelsea Physics garden in London is a great little out of the way place for a visit, and shows all areas of the world that use natural products for things like clothes etc. weird as I was reading this, I've just had a spam call from an Ely 01353 number Well it wasn't me mate, I'm not there any more If it starts with 860 let me know, it could be my ex, that would be strange lol. It cracks me up when people make all this fuss about planting trees, we are literally barking up the wrong erm.. Tree! Admittedly trees are more visually appealing but that's not the problem we're trying to solve. |
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Post by lordb on Jan 20, 2020 12:08:21 GMT
I did know a yorkie Dunn, not sure if it was the same one, could have been. yep, hemp is a good way forward, we do have hemp milk sometimes. The Chelsea Physics garden in London is a great little out of the way place for a visit, and shows all areas of the world that use natural products for things like clothes etc. weird as I was reading this, I've just had a spam call from an Ely 01353 number Well it wasn't me mate, I'm not there any more If it starts with 860 let me know, it could be my ex, that would be strange lol. It cracks me up when people make all this fuss about planting trees, we are literally barking up the wrong erm.. Tree! Admittedly trees are more visually appealing but that's not the problem we're trying to solve. planting trees, lots of trees, is certainly part of the solution. |
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Post by elystokie on Jan 20, 2020 12:11:06 GMT
Well it wasn't me mate, I'm not there any more If it starts with 860 let me know, it could be my ex, that would be strange lol. It cracks me up when people make all this fuss about planting trees, we are literally barking up the wrong erm.. Tree! Admittedly trees are more visually appealing but that's not the problem we're trying to solve. planting trees, lots of trees, is certainly part of the solution. In addition to lots and lots of hemp, I agree. At the expense of or instead of hemp, I disagree. |
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