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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 15, 2021 14:38:29 GMT
And lots of people dead in Germany as a result of catastrophic flooding from unprecedented rainfall events. I still think a huge number of people will not agree with any changes to their lifestyles which result in any increased inconvenience or cost, such as driving or flying less. It's weird how much reluctance there is to actually do the things we need to, despite stuff like this happening, huge wildfires in the States and Australia, the Amazon being a net emitter of CO2 now...I suppose it's denial generally that there is a problem, but it's almost like we're trying to make ourselves go extinct! Aye the South of Holland, Germany and neighbouring parts of Belgium have got it proper bad right now....... The river Maas has hit record levels and worse is to come according to the weather people over here...... Its just mental rainfall - something like 50mm of rain fell in one hour in some parts yesterday - this is normally the total rainfall for the month of July. www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/07/maas-river-keeps-rising-death-toll-increases-in-germany-belgium/ |
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 15, 2021 15:45:32 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 16, 2021 5:00:33 GMT
Our team recently looked at this, checked short-term heavy precipitation (hourly) and longer term (over a day). Both are happening more often but the short term stuff that causes flash flooding has really rocketed. People are gonna lose their shit if the insurance companies are allowed to raise prices in line with the risk. I know someone who was looking at British rain data and one point was crazy high - it turns out someone had jumped the fence into the weather station and taken a piss in the rain gauge  |
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Post by redstriper on Jul 16, 2021 5:59:37 GMT
We fell victim to a flash flood at the end of january, the ground floor of house and outbuildings got 4 inches of water all through, the cost of the damage was almost 30k despite the water receding in less than a day, and we've only just got the last two rooms back. Not looking forward to the insurance renewal, let alone the damage to the resale value of the house.
The covid thing has confirmed that self-serving short-termist governments around the world are reluctant or incapable of working together, and not brave enough when it comes to unpopular decisions. I've no faith in the current world order when it comes to tackling climate change, we need a new none-political approach from somewhere.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 19, 2021 16:55:47 GMT
Is climate change to blame for Germany’s flooding?According to Greta… yes (unsurprisingly) According to the scientists and their models… no. You see, the scientists were predicting dryer, hotter summers for Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as a consequence of climate change. So, either their modelling is a load of pish or there is another explanation. Which is… it’s just the weather. It does weird shit like this from time to time.
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Post by Davef on Jul 19, 2021 22:18:08 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2021 7:08:48 GMT
I think that's missing the point somewhat. Yes, floods have always happened. However, man-made climate change will increase the frequency and severity of flooding episodes (along with the intensity and frequency of droughts, wildfires and other consequences of extreme weather events, all of which are happening). |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 20, 2021 7:12:08 GMT
Is climate change to blame for Germany’s flooding?According to Greta… yes (unsurprisingly) According to the scientists and their models… no. You see, the scientists were predicting dryer, hotter summers for Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as a consequence of climate change. So, either their modelling is a load of pish or there is another explanation. Which is… it’s just the weather. It does weird shit like this from time to time. From 2018, quite prescient, given what's happened: “So far the summer has been, at least in terms of weather, one thing above all: extreme. As a result, the German Meteorological Service (DWD) declared July 2017 the rainiest month Germany has seen since measurements thereof began back in 1881.” |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 20, 2021 7:53:21 GMT
Is climate change to blame for Germany’s flooding?According to Greta… yes (unsurprisingly) According to the scientists and their models… no. You see, the scientists were predicting dryer, hotter summers for Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as a consequence of climate change. So, either their modelling is a load of pish or there is another explanation. Which is… it’s just the weather. It does weird shit like this from time to time. From 2018, quite prescient, given what's happened: “So far the summer has been, at least in terms of weather, one thing above all: extreme. As a result, the German Meteorological Service (DWD) declared July 2017 the rainiest month Germany has seen since measurements thereof began back in 1881.” That article just re-enforces what the above article said. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 20, 2021 16:12:54 GMT
Is climate change to blame for Germany’s flooding?According to Greta… yes (unsurprisingly) According to the scientists and their models… no. You see, the scientists were predicting dryer, hotter summers for Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as a consequence of climate change. So, either their modelling is a load of pish or there is another explanation. Which is… it’s just the weather. It does weird shit like this from time to time. That Spectator article doesn't really say anything about flooding. Lots of places are seeing it rain less often, but when it does it's more extreme. That's what physics expects too. E.g. if it drizzles every day for a month you might not flood, but if it doesn't rain at all for 30 days and then pisses cables for a few hours it might be nasty. Even if it's the same monthly rainfall, and the Spectator only looked at averages. No idea about Germany in summer, I bet the Weather Attribution Group will have an answer for us soon. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 20, 2021 17:26:43 GMT
Is climate change to blame for Germany’s flooding?According to Greta… yes (unsurprisingly) According to the scientists and their models… no. You see, the scientists were predicting dryer, hotter summers for Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands as a consequence of climate change. So, either their modelling is a load of pish or there is another explanation. Which is… it’s just the weather. It does weird shit like this from time to time. That Spectator article doesn't really say anything about flooding. Lots of places are seeing it rain less often, but when it does it's more extreme. That's what physics expects too. E.g. if it drizzles every day for a month you might not flood, but if it doesn't rain at all for 30 days and then pisses cables for a few hours it might be nasty. Even if it's the same monthly rainfall, and the Spectator only looked at averages. No idea about Germany in summer, I bet the Weather Attribution Group will have an answer for us soon. Fair point. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 21, 2021 15:34:26 GMT
I have some data on this for work. So I checked a climate model over N Germany, here's average rain by decade:  Expected to dry a bit. Then I looked at heavy rain:  Looks like it was expected to go up around now. I'll still wait for the pros, but it won't shock me if they find that global warming contributed. Or didn't. Could go either way, I think it's all fascinating and hopefully we can just learn to better prepare and save lives. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 21, 2021 19:15:43 GMT
I have some data on this for work. So I checked a climate model over N Germany, here's average rain by decade: Expected to dry a bit. Then I looked at heavy rain: Looks like it was expected to go up around now. I'll still wait for the pros, but it won't shock me if they find that global warming contributed. Or didn't. Could go either way, I think it's all fascinating and hopefully we can just learn to better prepare and save lives. Fascinating data. Thanks for sharing. So less rain, but what there is will be more concentrated. Sort of pisses on that article I quoted! |
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Post by Northy on Jul 21, 2021 21:00:47 GMT
I have some data on this for work. So I checked a climate model over N Germany, here's average rain by decade: Expected to dry a bit. Then I looked at heavy rain: Looks like it was expected to go up around now. I'll still wait for the pros, but it won't shock me if they find that global warming contributed. Or didn't. Could go either way, I think it's all fascinating and hopefully we can just learn to better prepare and save lives. Fascinating data. Thanks for sharing. So less rain, but what there is will be more concentrated. Sort of pisses on that article I quoted! That's what they've been saying for years, more extreme weather events more of the time. In the UK, February last year, record rainfall, February 2019 saw a record high temperature. Everything seems to get a record recently, record high temp last year in the UK, Northern Ireland this week has twice broken its record. I was in Germany 2 years ago when it was in the 40s, record temperatures across Europe 19 of the hottest years on records have come since 2000, that's certainly when weather patterns no longer become just weather but the climate isn't it? |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 25, 2021 18:52:59 GMT
[snip] Thanks for sharing. So less rain, but what there is will be more concentrated. Sort of pisses on that article I quoted! It's good to be cautious IMO, if the Spectator had just said that summer and winter are different so we should be careful before assigning blame that seems fair. But their arrogance gets on my nips a bit - they assume they're smarter than everyone else when they don't know the basics and didn't bother to check properly. Greta makes some people lose their shit though!   |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 26, 2021 13:16:18 GMT
Terrifying scenes in China in the past week too with underground train tunnels flooded and 10+ people dead, with over 200mm of rainfall within an hour, and more historical rainfall records broken. I can see China having a lot of problems with all the new dams and changing of natural environments in such a short time.
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Post by Northy on Jul 26, 2021 14:49:39 GMT
Terrifying scenes in China in the past week too with underground train tunnels flooded and 10+ people dead, with over 200mm of rainfall within an hour, and more historical rainfall records broken. I can see China having a lot of problems with all the new dams and changing of natural environments in such a short time. Yes, horrible, that one with the girl disappearing down the swirling water, then reappearing holding a rope being pulled out by some people, very scary for her and those stood in that train carriage. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 27, 2021 4:40:13 GMT
Terrifying scenes in China in the past week too with underground train tunnels flooded and 10+ people dead, with over 200mm of rainfall within an hour, and more historical rainfall records broken. I can see China having a lot of problems with all the new dams and changing of natural environments in such a short time. Yes, horrible, that one with the girl disappearing down the swirling water, then reappearing holding a rope being pulled out by some people, very scary for her and those stood in that train carriage. Didn't want to watch a random snuff film so I avoided most of them but saw a few on news. Absolutely terrifying. Seen strong people washed over by rushing water not even up to their hips. The metro videos were the stuff of nightmares. |
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 27, 2021 7:08:04 GMT
Mate I was in a tent in the new forest last Friday night , it felt like the end of the world , i was sitting up in my sleeping bag all night due to the thunder and lightening overhead to add insult to injury one of the many wild ponies got his nose under the zip Opened it stuck his head in , scared the shit out of me , stuck his head in the food bag and grabbed my box of weetabix and a packet of chocolate digestives . He took no notice of my protests the ignorant fucker |
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Post by Northy on Jul 27, 2021 15:02:23 GMT
Yes it does, how many people died in those other floods, was there warnings as rivers slowly rose or did it just come after sudden massive deluges ? Were they from winter snow melt after excessive winters, or summer storms ? What you can't make out in that photo is the top line, which is 2002 (it happened in August 2002), so during the last 20 years, 19 of which have been the hottest years on record, there are now 4 marks on that wall since 2000, as they have been saying for years hotter weather will contain more moisture and storms will be worse, so thanks for backing up the climate change theory, although I assume you were trying to dismiss it ? The previous high was in 1845 after a very long, cold winter with deep snow .... |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 29, 2021 21:27:04 GMT
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 29, 2021 21:36:32 GMT
About time we had some hot weather for summer |
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 8, 2021 20:24:03 GMT
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Post by musik on Aug 8, 2021 21:42:55 GMT
We should be encouraged to use a shopping trolley. I do and don't need a plastic bag I don't get this. We always use a shopping trolley, but it doesn't affect the amount of bags. Or do you mean you push it in front of you on the road all the way back home? It isn't allowed here, you simply have to leave it in the store. 🤨 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2021 11:03:56 GMT
And yet today, there are calls for civil servants to "get back in the office" and resume their (some would say) pointless and carbon-heavy commutes on pain of being paid less!
There's a straightforward and cost free help to the problem of man-made climate change, given that transport is the single biggest polluting sector in the UK: don't force people to make largely pointless journeys, but no...
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 9, 2021 11:15:33 GMT
So long as it's cheaper to fly within the UK than take the train then I'm afraid we aren't taking things seriously.
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Post by Northy on Aug 9, 2021 15:02:59 GMT
Horrible amount of innocent wildlife that will also be lost in those blazes, parts of Yakutsk burning is pretty grim |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 10, 2021 15:17:59 GMT
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Post by Northy on Aug 10, 2021 15:26:27 GMT
Who invited her !! Most kids I see her age and a bit older don't seem to care, materialistic, they are still buying bottles of water daily, packaged food etc and don't care about where their food comes, she doesn't have much of an affect, maybe put her on love island or whatever shit they watch these days  |
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Post by franklin on Aug 10, 2021 15:38:30 GMT
I assume she'll be sailing there to avoid polluting. |
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