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Post by harryburrows on Nov 6, 2021 19:15:55 GMT
Saw online today a building firm took delivery of JCB electric mini digger . It worked well for 2 hours then has to be charged with a diesel generator for 12 hours 🤔 which idiot ordered one without having a charging point in the first place ! How would a charge point solve the problem |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 6, 2021 19:24:44 GMT
Thanks for that heads up; I was not aware of the Thanet Earth farm/factory. It is just what the Dutch have done, only in their case a much more massive scale. The largest tomato greenhouse in the Netherlands is a staggering 175 acres!!! The total area under glass in the Netherlands is one and a half times the area of Manhatton. The Dutch has taken agriculture to another level, not just in terms of size and modernity, but developing new desease resistant species, etc. If the UK did this we could feed ourselves with salad products and not have to import on such a huge scale. www.agritecture.com/blog/2020/2/26/how-the-dutch-use-architecture-to-feed-the-worldA company called Plenty tried to headhunt a mate. They're looking at "stacking" greenhouses and using scanners to keep track of the plant health etc so they can target exactly when to water, harvest etc. I have to say I really like the idea if it means more fresh food grown locally and it lets us protect the countryside. With population growth there should be enough demand to keep normal farmers going as well, without pushing them to ruin the ground. The intensive farming in the US has been absolutely battering their aquifers and the soil loss is staggering. There could come a point where the kids or grandkids of today's farmers will have to just give up on outdoor farming. Vertical farming has been around for a few years. The latest I have heard of is under natural light which obviously has limitations. www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/18/its-not-as-carbon-hungry-uks-largest-sunlit-vertical-farm-begins-harvestBut there are artificially lit stacked systems which I think are OK if powered by renewable electricity. www.farminguk.com/news/vertical-farming-on-the-rise-in-the-uk_58813.html |
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Post by franklin on Nov 7, 2021 10:39:33 GMT
which idiot ordered one without having a charging point in the first place ! How would a charge point solve the problem You have a point Harry I don't know of any building sites that has a charging point installed first. |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 7, 2021 11:27:30 GMT
How would a charge point solve the problem You have a point Harry I don't know of any building sites that has a charging point installed first. Exactly, They need to be charged on site with a generator |
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Post by Northy on Nov 7, 2021 21:10:18 GMT
Have you looked up Thanet Earth mate? Saw it on the TV years back and was fascinated. Our own set of mega greenhousee, I think they sell their tomatoes and peppers in Sainsburys. They seem very efficient with water and they don't let lots of chemicals run off into rivers, so that's nice. Not too sure about the rest of the environmental impact. Thanks for that heads up; I was not aware of the Thanet Earth farm/factory. It is just what the Dutch have done, only in their case a much more massive scale. The largest tomato greenhouse in the Netherlands is a staggering 175 acres!!! The total area under glass in the Netherlands is one and a half times the area of Manhatton. The Dutch has taken agriculture to another level, not just in terms of size and modernity, but developing new desease resistant species, etc. If the UK did this we could feed ourselves with salad products and not have to import on such a huge scale. www.agritecture.com/blog/2020/2/26/how-the-dutch-use-architecture-to-feed-the-worldWe are so slow at it, we have one in Kent which produces 15% of it, and building another. We have also built one near to a sewage farm, using the waste heat from that to heat it up, why aren't we ploughing ahead with lots more like it ? |
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Post by Northy on Nov 7, 2021 21:11:45 GMT
which idiot ordered one without having a charging point in the first place ! How would a charge point solve the problem As it would be fed from the grid and not a generator |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 7, 2021 21:40:39 GMT
I am all for making things more sustainable but these climate forecasts that we seem to be gearing up to spend trillions on dont have the best track record.
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 8, 2021 8:07:48 GMT
How would a charge point solve the problem As it would be fed from the grid and not a generator Its a bit like the chicken and the egg situation. 😉 |
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Post by Northy on Nov 8, 2021 8:25:24 GMT
As it would be fed from the grid and not a generator Its a bit like the chicken and the egg situation. 😉 Not really, I've ordered an electric car 6 months wait, and ordered a charging point 2 months wait, basic project management, a bit like getting your starters before your mains, or a menu before you order  |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 8, 2021 9:26:30 GMT
Thanks for that heads up; I was not aware of the Thanet Earth farm/factory. It is just what the Dutch have done, only in their case a much more massive scale. The largest tomato greenhouse in the Netherlands is a staggering 175 acres!!! The total area under glass in the Netherlands is one and a half times the area of Manhatton. The Dutch has taken agriculture to another level, not just in terms of size and modernity, but developing new desease resistant species, etc. If the UK did this we could feed ourselves with salad products and not have to import on such a huge scale. www.agritecture.com/blog/2020/2/26/how-the-dutch-use-architecture-to-feed-the-worldWe are so slow at it, we have one in Kent which produces 15% of it, and building another. We have also built one near to a sewage farm, using the waste heat from that to heat it up, why aren't we ploughing ahead with lots more like it ? Agreed. Here is another article on Dutch agriculture: dutchreview.com/culture/innovation/second-largest-agriculture-exporter/Why are the Dutch so good at it? The answer is free trade. Despite being in the EU the Netherlands has led the world in free trade. They have managed not to take the easy route of depending on CAP subsidies and cheap labour from Eastern Europe but concentrated on increased efficiency. Now our farming industry is out of the CAP and cheap labour is no longer available it will be forced to invest. It will not necessarily be the farmers themselves but their customers the big supermarket chains that will see the potential of investing in food production. I'm only aware of Morrisons doing this to date in the UK. The Secret behind the Dutch case : en.irefeurope.org/Publications/Online-Articles/article/The-Evil-of-Agricultural-Subsidies-the-Case-of-EU-Common-Agricultural-Policy-Netherlands-and-Newwww.tradebarrierindex.org/Note that New Zealand are similar. They had to reinvent their agriculture when the UK turned its back on them in the 1970s and joined the common market. The UK now has to do the same. But, here is a sign of the times: think.ing.com/snaps/dutch-rejection-of-mercosur-sign-of-the-times With all this praise of The Netherlands agriculture, we should not run away with ourselves and remember this is an environmental thread: www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/forget-tulips-and-windmills-the-netherlands-is-the-dirty-old-man-of-europe/ |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 8, 2021 11:32:22 GMT
Its a bit like the chicken and the egg situation. 😉 Not really, I've ordered an electric car 6 months wait, and ordered a charging point 2 months wait, basic project management, a bit like getting your starters before your mains, or a menu before you order You're missing the point . How can the installation of charge point help this builder with his mini digger . He just wants to charge his digger on site . It probably started off as a field or a bit of wasteland |
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Post by Northy on Nov 8, 2021 14:45:12 GMT
Not really, I've ordered an electric car 6 months wait, and ordered a charging point 2 months wait, basic project management, a bit like getting your starters before your mains, or a menu before you order You're missing the point . How can the installation of charge point help this builder with his mini digger . He just wants to charge his digger on site . It probably started off as a field or a bit of wasteland Not really, you didn't explain that it would be left on site and not returned to the depot at the end of the day and get charged overnight on cheap tariffs. What model of digger was it, what was the battery life on a full charge ? |
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Post by Northy on Nov 8, 2021 14:45:29 GMT
A bit of a funny outake on it
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 8, 2021 17:14:30 GMT
You're missing the point . How can the installation of charge point help this builder with his mini digger . He just wants to charge his digger on site . It probably started off as a field or a bit of wasteland Not really, you didn't explain that it would be left on site and not returned to the depot at the end of the day and get charged overnight on cheap tariffs. What model of digger was it, what was the battery life on a full charge ? How can it go anywhere with a flat battery. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 10, 2021 15:56:13 GMT
Not really, you didn't explain that it would be left on site and not returned to the depot at the end of the day and get charged overnight on cheap tariffs. What model of digger was it, what was the battery life on a full charge ? How can it go anywhere with a flat battery. Like I see them all the time on the roads, on the back of a transporter |
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Post by Northy on Nov 10, 2021 15:57:00 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 10, 2021 17:06:25 GMT
Great news. Given the energy per unit weight over other fuels/power it's surprising it is not more advanced. There is of course the problem of producing green hydrogen. The biggest problem today is Ryanair advertising flights to Spain for "from less than £20". We must tax flying in accordance with the environmental damage it does. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 10, 2021 17:55:57 GMT
Great news. Given the energy per unit weight over other fuels/power it's surprising it is not more advanced. There is of course the problem of producing green hydrogen. The biggest problem today is Ryanair advertising flights to Spain for "from less than £20". We must tax flying in accordance with the environmental damage it does. Yeh, I'm flying Manchester to Belfast this weekend, almost £100 each way with a hold bag. |
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Post by henry on Nov 10, 2021 18:56:58 GMT
Great news. Given the energy per unit weight over other fuels/power it's surprising it is not more advanced. There is of course the problem of producing green hydrogen. The biggest problem today is Ryanair advertising flights to Spain for "from less than £20". We must tax flying in accordance with the environmental damage it does. No doubt a time will come where the masses are priced out of flying leaving the skies clear for the wealthy in their private jets. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 10, 2021 19:02:54 GMT
Great news. Given the energy per unit weight over other fuels/power it's surprising it is not more advanced. There is of course the problem of producing green hydrogen. The biggest problem today is Ryanair advertising flights to Spain for "from less than £20". We must tax flying in accordance with the environmental damage it does. The polluter pays principle is well established in UK policy. No excuse for not exercising it in all areas of life if we want to stop shitting in our own nest. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 10, 2021 20:00:57 GMT
Great news. Given the energy per unit weight over other fuels/power it's surprising it is not more advanced. There is of course the problem of producing green hydrogen. The biggest problem today is Ryanair advertising flights to Spain for "from less than £20". We must tax flying in accordance with the environmental damage it does. No doubt a time will come where the masses are priced out of flying leaving the skies clear for the wealthy in their private jets. It was ever thus. People have got to get it; we are destroying the planet: youmatter.world/en/plane-or-cars-which-means-of-transport-pollutes-the-most/There are many factors at play, but flying is an indulgence, at least until it is converted to renewable energy. Hands up, I am as guilty as anyone. Flying to NA, Africa, Asia, apart from all over Europe. When I worked for Corus/Tata we would hold meetings in The Netherlands, because it was easier for people to fly there for a meeting from the North East, Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, and South Wales than meet anywhere in the UK. Madness on reflection! It was easy to get an early morning flight from a local airport, arrive at Schipol gaining an hour, hold a meeting at IJmuiden and fly back home late afternoon. We did change to video-conferencing when the recession kicked in in 2008, purely driven by cost saving, not the environment. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 16, 2021 19:22:52 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 17, 2021 8:46:34 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 17, 2021 8:48:57 GMT
It already has enough planks Plenty of bare sheep grazed hills around the roaches/peak district to turn back into woodlands |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 18, 2021 16:36:06 GMT
That was an atmospheric river, the most famous is probably the pineapple express - they can transport as much water as the actual Amazon (the river, not the company that makes its drivers piss in bottles). Absolutely incredible things. They're expected to bring heavy rain more often and get more powerful, and the main cause is our greenhouse gases like CO2. In 2019 scientists concluded "Atmospheric Rivers Increase Future Flood Risk in Western Canada's Largest Pacific River". This included more extreme water levels in November, whereas past ones were almost always April/May/June from when the snow melts. I'm always skeptical when politicians blame individual events on global warming, but it looks pretty likely that climate change has put its finger on the scales here. (coincidently I watched a talk on atmospheric rivers last week) |
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Post by Northy on Nov 18, 2021 16:41:54 GMT
That was an atmospheric river, the most famous is probably the pineapple express - they can transport as much water as the actual Amazon (the river, not the company that makes its drivers piss in bottles). Absolutely incredible things. They're expected to bring heavy rain more often and get more powerful, and the main cause is our greenhouse gases like CO2. In 2019 scientists concluded "Atmospheric Rivers Increase Future Flood Risk in Western Canada's Largest Pacific River". This included more extreme water levels in November, whereas past ones were almost always April/May/June from when the snow melts. I'm always skeptical when politicians blame individual events on global warming, but it looks pretty likely that climate change has put its finger on the scales here. (coincidently I watched a talk on atmospheric rivers last week) Interesting stuff. |
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Post by Northy on Nov 18, 2021 16:46:20 GMT
My lad just sent me this picture, sunset over the last hurricane palm. It's not just wildlife we can destroy, we give trees, flowers and fauna a good wiping out as well. They've taken cuttings and hoping they grow, not sure about pollination if they do grow though.  |
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 18, 2021 16:50:26 GMT
My lad just sent me this picture, sunset over the last hurricane palm. It's not just wildlife we can destroy, we give trees, flowers and fauna a good wiping out as well. They've taken cuttings and hoping they grow, not sure about pollination if they do grow though. That's a lovely pic, where's your lad at and what cuttings are they taking and what're they doing with them? |
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Post by Northy on Nov 19, 2021 15:32:05 GMT
My lad just sent me this picture, sunset over the last hurricane palm. It's not just wildlife we can destroy, we give trees, flowers and fauna a good wiping out as well. They've taken cuttings and hoping they grow, not sure about pollination if they do grow though. That's a lovely pic, where's your lad at and what cuttings are they taking and what're they doing with them? He's on round Island off Mauritius, they took cuttings off the last hurricane palm left on the planet, they've got a nursery there where they are trying to grow the native species of many plants that were almost wiped out by goats/rabbits etc. training.durrell.org/course/view.php?id=19§ion=3wildlifepreservation.ca/blog/round-island-standing-in-the-shoes-of-conservation-giants/ |
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 19, 2021 16:54:30 GMT
I’m going rabbiting tomorrow so I’m doing my bit for the climate |
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