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Post by greystokie on Aug 11, 2021 20:38:40 GMT
Unless he is trully outstanding he will not play every game no matter where he goes and Manchester City will understand that. He will end up at a club that can demonstrate that they will be able to develop the lad's ability and give him adequate first team experience. For a good part of his time, where ever he goes, much of his time initially, at least, will be cameo substitutions in the league and starts in the early stages of any cup games. Only later in the season might he be seen to start league games on a regular basis (unless there is an injury crisis). As the Maestro above points out, he's only 18 and to move straight into playing in the Championship will be a very big step up. Man City will be expecting him to get regular game time. He won’t be going anywhere to sit on the bench. We'll have to agree to differ on that one. |
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Post by Mr Ron Agent on Aug 11, 2021 21:35:51 GMT
Unless he is trully outstanding he will not play every game no matter where he goes and Manchester City will understand that. He will end up at a club that can demonstrate that they will be able to develop the lad's ability and give him adequate first team experience. For a good part of his time, where ever he goes, much of his time initially, at least, will be cameo substitutions in the league and starts in the early stages of any cup games. Only later in the season might he be seen to start league games on a regular basis (unless there is an injury crisis). As the Maestro above points out, he's only 18 and to move straight into playing in the Championship will be a very big step up. He is truly outstanding and if fit will undoubtedly be selected regularly for whichever Championship club he goes to. |
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 11, 2021 21:53:33 GMT
Man City will be expecting him to get regular game time. He won’t be going anywhere to sit on the bench. We'll have to agree to differ on that one. The majority of premier league teams insert a penalty clause into a loan contract that entitles them to compensation and the return of their player if a agreed number of games played is not met, Liverpool usually demand £250k. With Delap being so highly rated by the management team at city I don’t think he will be coming here or anywhere else to warm the bench. |
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 11, 2021 21:56:53 GMT
Going to be a very exciting signing
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Post by lordb on Aug 11, 2021 21:58:19 GMT
We'll have to agree to differ on that one. The majority of premier league teams insert a penalty clause into a loan contract that entitles them to compensation and the return of their player if a agreed number of games played is not met, Liverpool usually demand £250k. With Delap being so highly rated by the management team at city I don’t think he will be coming here or anywhere else to warm the bench. His talent will ensure he plays |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Aug 11, 2021 22:00:05 GMT
Going to be a very exciting signing Better than 70/30 chance of it happening? |
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Post by anto1 on Aug 11, 2021 22:01:22 GMT
Going to be a very exciting signing Is it happening then monkey |
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Post by gaznandi on Aug 11, 2021 22:16:15 GMT
Going to be a very exciting signing For somebody. |
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Post by miltonstokienew on Aug 11, 2021 22:24:54 GMT
Going to be a very exciting signing You little tease you |
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Post by greystokie on Aug 11, 2021 22:35:16 GMT
The majority of premier league teams insert a penalty clause into a loan contract that entitles them to compensation and the return of their player if a agreed number of games played is not met, Liverpool usually demand £250k. With Delap being so highly rated by the management team at city I don’t think he will be coming here or anywhere else to warm the bench. His talent will ensure he plays so, if he signs, do you expect him to start almost immediately, say, after two or three games of joining us? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 11, 2021 22:57:09 GMT
His talent will ensure he plays so, if he signs, do you expect him to start almost immediately, say, after two or three games of joining us? If fitness allows. Why wouldn’t he? |
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Post by Mr Ron Agent on Aug 11, 2021 23:28:13 GMT
so, if he signs, do you expect him to start almost immediately, say, after two or three games of joining us? If fitness allows. Why wouldn’t he? Absolutely! |
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Post by markby on Aug 11, 2021 23:31:11 GMT
I am confident he is a different level, agreed. But at 18 cutting your teeth in the Championship will not be easy by any stretch. It's not U23 football or messing around in an academy. I suspect if we did get him he will do ok and no more. Ronaldo at 18 took a couple of seasons to really get going at Man Utd. That said I would love him to shove my words right down my throat and be an absolute sensation. It's not that long since strikers Delap's age were making their League breakthrough for big clubs at his age (i.e. teenagers) - off the top of my head eg Rooney, Owen, Whiteside, Hughes.
The difference these days is that in their quest to be competitive, wealthy clubs like City regularly buy in ready-made, experienced strikers in their mid 20's from all over the world, so reducing the opportunities for youngsters, no matter how good. Take Phil Foden, for example - in July 2019, Guardiola said: "Phil is the most, most, most talented player I have ever seen in my career as a manager". Yet the following season, 2019/20, he only started 11 PL games, completing just 5 of them.
As for Ronaldo, when he was 17 turning 18, he made 25 appearances for Sporting in the Portugese top flight and the following season played in 29 PL games, 40 in total, for Man U.
If Delap is as good as everyone says he is, I see no good reason why he shouldn't be good enough to play regular games in the Championship for a decent, competitive team. Stoke should do whatever it takes to get him (imo), even if only for a half-season loan until Campbell is fully back.
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Post by samba :) on Aug 12, 2021 0:09:19 GMT
I’m gonna assume this ones gone now, our attacking options are already decent would much prefer another midfielder
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 12, 2021 2:22:31 GMT
I’m gonna assume this ones gone now, our attacking options are already decent would much prefer another midfielder Why not both? |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 12, 2021 5:17:07 GMT
Me and Monkey have an excellent success rate in the transfer game, it's unrivalled.
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Post by mowlee on Aug 12, 2021 6:40:48 GMT
When we seeing him holding up the stoke shirt
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 12, 2021 6:47:36 GMT
Go'arrrnnnn Liam lad.
Get your biro out.
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Post by moon on Aug 12, 2021 7:04:36 GMT
Which City?
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 12, 2021 7:08:57 GMT
There's only one city! But in this case I think it's Manchester. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 12, 2021 7:21:45 GMT
Who is Bryn Shurgold and what does HE know about football? |
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Post by zerps on Aug 12, 2021 7:28:22 GMT
We’ll win the league if we sign delap. Then the world cup.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 12, 2021 7:30:41 GMT
I am confident he is a different level, agreed. But at 18 cutting your teeth in the Championship will not be easy by any stretch. It's not U23 football or messing around in an academy. I suspect if we did get him he will do ok and no more. Ronaldo at 18 took a couple of seasons to really get going at Man Utd. That said I would love him to shove my words right down my throat and be an absolute sensation. It's not that long since strikers Delap's age were making their League breakthrough for big clubs at his age (i.e. teenagers) - off the top of my head eg Rooney, Owen, Whiteside, Hughes. The difference these days is that in their quest to be competitive, wealthy clubs like City regularly buy in ready-made, experienced strikers in their mid 20's from all over the world, so reducing the opportunities for youngsters, no matter how good. Take Phil Foden, for example - in July 2019, Guardiola said: "Phil is the most, most, most talented player I have ever seen in my career as a manager". Yet the following season, 2019/20, he only started 11 PL games, completing just 5 of them. As for Ronaldo, when he was 17 turning 18, he made 25 appearances for Sporting in the Portugese top flight and the following season played in 29 PL games, 40 in total, for Man U. If Delap is as good as everyone says he is, I see no good reason why he shouldn't be good enough to play regular games in the Championship for a decent, competitive team. Stoke should do whatever it takes to get him (imo), even if only for a half-season loan until Campbell is fully back.
The other thing is clubs are now more wary about throwing youngsters in too early because of the physical effects of exposing them to the men's game while their bodies are still developing. Some players have the physique to handle it at the time but their careers end up being cut short due to the accumulative battering from a young age - Michael Owen and Ryan Shawcross being examples. It's more common now to see young players building up to being full time on the pitch by the age of 22/23. There are exceptions - like Ronaldo - but whether even he would have got the game time these days is questionable. If Delap does come here I'm sure he'll be given a decent run of games but I suspect he won't be starting every time. |
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Post by stormin on Aug 12, 2021 7:37:01 GMT
Man City will be expecting him to get regular game time. He won’t be going anywhere to sit on the bench. We'll have to agree to differ on that one. That'll be Derby County |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 12, 2021 7:38:53 GMT
Unless he is trully outstanding he will not play every game no matter where he goes and Manchester City will understand that. He will end up at a club that can demonstrate that they will be able to develop the lad's ability and give him adequate first team experience. For a good part of his time, where ever he goes, much of his time initially, at least, will be cameo substitutions in the league and starts in the early stages of any cup games. Only later in the season might he be seen to start league games on a regular basis (unless there is an injury crisis). As the Maestro above points out, he's only 18 and to move straight into playing in the Championship will be a very big step up. Man City will be expecting him to get regular game time. He won’t be going anywhere to sit on the bench. Of course they will want him to get REGULAR game time. But that doesn't mean that any 18 year old, in what will be his first season of league football, will be expected to play every game (when fit) or 90 minutes of every game he plays. He'll get some starts, be subbed off in some of them, and make some sub appearances, and may get to sit the odd match out. Like any young player he has to prove that he is physically and mentally up to the rigours of a full league season - and that is in his interest and Man City's interest. Remember how long it took Ty Campbell to be able to last beyond 60 minutes - let alone start every game? MON is no fool - he will develop an 18 year old striker in the best way he can. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 12, 2021 7:41:52 GMT
His talent will ensure he plays so, if he signs, do you expect him to start almost immediately, say, after two or three games of joining us? Bound to be an adjustment period, whoever he signs for but yes once he gets in the side he'll stay there Why? Because he'd be the best player in that side. He's going to be a seriously good striker playing for England,Champions League e.t.c. |
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Post by drfishy on Aug 12, 2021 8:38:58 GMT
I think he's already committed to Ireland
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 12, 2021 8:42:07 GMT
I think he's already committed to Ireland I doubt it, he’d immediately be in the team…🤣 |
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Post by monkeycat on Aug 12, 2021 8:42:26 GMT
Me and Monkey have an excellent success rate in the transfer game, it's unrivalled. No. You are stand alone |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2021 8:43:39 GMT
I think he's already committed to Ireland He's already played for England at every youth level below u21, so think the only way he'd consider Ireland now is if his career didn't map out to be as top-level as it appears to be heading. And, to be fair, he is English. Born here, lived here all his life, mum English and dad born here. |
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