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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2020 23:33:42 GMT
I'd love to know how your mind works at times. This fear you hold for anyone who doesnt agree with your way of thinking being boxed into this category of 'The Left' is fascinating. Lockdown not being the main politcal issue of the time, people not relating to the 2 largest parties leaders despite voting intentions showing they dominate around 75%, conformists of people following government guidelines and the slavish devotion to a man who has less politcal policies than Joe Biden. The ultimate one-trick pony who last year you believed to be the best person to be Prime Minister. I don't particularly follow your point there Red. I'm just making a simple point that on many issues Farage is in touch with ordinary people than the traditional parties. He's been more effective than Corbyn. Neither of the two main parties have been or are particularly good...but the Left are so insular and insecure that as long as they feel as though they have the moral high ground, that's enough.....trying to understand ordinary people has become irrelevant.....carry on....many more years of the Conservative government But he isn't. He is in touch with issues that you relate to not the overwhelming majority of ordinary or non-ordinary people. This is why he is rejected time and time again. Even his main party piece when it got the point that the Conservative Party granted the vote on, the masterminds wanted him as far from it as possible. Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not sure where he comes into it) was the worst leader of a major party in about 80 years, failing to see anti semitism and allowing it to run rife. His failure to recognise that has seem him sent packing. I would suspect that YouTube plays a large part of your life and my opinion is you live very much in an echo chamber that's very narrow. You seem terrified of 'the left' and I think you would struggle to define to yourself what that actually is. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:36:05 GMT
I don't particularly follow your point there Red. I'm just making a simple point that on many issues Farage is in touch with ordinary people than the traditional parties. He's been more effective than Corbyn. Neither of the two main parties have been or are particularly good...but the Left are so insular and insecure that as long as they feel as though they have the moral high ground, that's enough.....trying to understand ordinary people has become irrelevant.....carry on....many more years of the Conservative government But he isn't. He is in touch with issues that you relate to not the overwhelming majority of ordinary or non-ordinary people. This is why he is rejected time and time again. Even his main party piece when it got the point that the Conservative Party granted the vote on, the masterminds wanted him as far from it as possible. Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not sure where he comes into it) was the worst leader of a major party in about 80 years, failing to see anti semitism and allowing it to run rife. His failure to recognise that has seem him sent packing. I would suspect that YouTube plays a large part of your life and my opinion is you live very much in an echo chamber that's very narrow. You seem terrified of 'the left' and I think you would struggle to define to yourself what that actually is. I think that your suspicions are very wide of the mark and may say more about yourself. And the current Left are joke that wouldn't terrify a dead mouse. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:37:15 GMT
I look forward to his popularity getting him a seat in parliament 8th time of asking then john....... He's been very effective politically....amazing really, effected change from the outside......all you can do is avoid the issues and get the man....it's not working.....People can see through it. Not sure how I played the man john? You keep telling me how popular he is in resonating with the "ordinary person" so I'm merely looking forward to seeing that when his next new party is up and running. You get very touchy about Mr Farage it has to be said, whatever happens if thing get tricky he can use his EU Pension and resettle in Germany so I wouldn't worry too much about old Nige. And as I've said to you many times before, no one wants the whole Brexit debacle to drag on longer than Farage. It's what keeps him in B&H and pints of Doom Bar......... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:40:53 GMT
He's been very effective politically....amazing really, effected change from the outside......all you can do is avoid the issues and get the man....it's not working.....People can see through it. Not sure how I played the man john? You keep telling me how popular he is in resonating with the "ordinary person" so I'm merely looking forward to seeing that when his next new party is up and running. You get very touchy about Mr Farage it has to be said, whatever happens if thing get tricky he can use his EU Pension and resettle in Germany so I wouldn't worry too much about old Nige. And as I've said to you many times before, no one wants the whole Brexit debacle to drag on longer than Farage. It's what keeps him in B&H and pints of Doom Bar......... He has already changed UK and EU politics. I see that you are doing the usual and trying to get at him personally....that's one reason that the' Left " are out of touch....can't face the issues. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2020 23:44:08 GMT
But he isn't. He is in touch with issues that you relate to not the overwhelming majority of ordinary or non-ordinary people. This is why he is rejected time and time again. Even his main party piece when it got the point that the Conservative Party granted the vote on, the masterminds wanted him as far from it as possible. Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not sure where he comes into it) was the worst leader of a major party in about 80 years, failing to see anti semitism and allowing it to run rife. His failure to recognise that has seem him sent packing. I would suspect that YouTube plays a large part of your life and my opinion is you live very much in an echo chamber that's very narrow. You seem terrified of 'the left' and I think you would struggle to define to yourself what that actually is. I think that your suspicions are very wide of the mark and may say more about yourself. And the current Left are joke that wouldn't terrify a dead mouse. No I think I'm pretty close, when things get tough your default position is to move to YouTube videos of yesteryear. And that's great but what is 'The Left' to you? If you were to define it, BJR says 'The Left' is - |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:51:38 GMT
I think that your suspicions are very wide of the mark and may say more about yourself. And the current Left are joke that wouldn't terrify a dead mouse. No I think I'm pretty close, when things get tough your default position is to move to YouTube videos of yesteryear. And that's great but what is 'The Left' to you? If you were to define it, BJR says 'The Left' is - You've lost me again. Never mind. To try to answer.....those that think they are the mouthpiece for the " Left"....aren't....in my opinion. And someone like Farage is actually closer to their thinking , in my opinion. I know that you won't get it , I don't expect you to. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:52:02 GMT
Not sure how I played the man john? You keep telling me how popular he is in resonating with the "ordinary person" so I'm merely looking forward to seeing that when his next new party is up and running. You get very touchy about Mr Farage it has to be said, whatever happens if thing get tricky he can use his EU Pension and resettle in Germany so I wouldn't worry too much about old Nige. And as I've said to you many times before, no one wants the whole Brexit debacle to drag on longer than Farage. It's what keeps him in B&H and pints of Doom Bar......... He has already changed UK and EU politics. I see that you are doing the usual and trying to get at him personally....that's one reason that the' Left " are out of touch....can't face the issues. He may have changed it john, but not necessarily for the better. Time will tell I guess, but you acknowledge someone when they win the lottery not when they buy a ticket. And if you think making a light hearted joke about him drinking and smoking (despite his constant need to be photographed in a beer garden drinking and smoking) is personal then you had thinner skin than I thought. And the pension and German references were a not so subtle way of pointing out the hypocrisy of the man but again if that offended I apologise. And your reference to the "left", well as we've established that appears to be your signature whether relevant or not...... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2020 23:57:02 GMT
No I think I'm pretty close, when things get tough your default position is to move to YouTube videos of yesteryear. And that's great but what is 'The Left' to you? If you were to define it, BJR says 'The Left' is - You've lost me again. Never mind. To try to answer.....those that think they are the mouthpiece for the " Left"....aren't....in my opinion. And someone like Farage is actually closer to their thinking , in my opinion. I know that you won't get it , I don't expect you to. You can keep expressing confusion but it is really quite simple. My opinion is you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber of opinions that are similar to your own. A lot of which comes from YouTube with your reliance on posting many videos of people who echo your point. Im happy to keep re-writing this is you still don't get it? Youre right in your second part. I am confused. It sounds like what you are saying is that your belief of the left is not people who identify as being left but is actually Nigel Farage? You'll have to give me a minute to put my splitting sides back in but is that what you're saying 'The Left' is? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:58:37 GMT
He has already changed UK and EU politics. I see that you are doing the usual and trying to get at him personally....that's one reason that the' Left " are out of touch....can't face the issues. He may have changed it john, but not necessarily for the better. Time will tell I guess, but you acknowledge someone when they win the lottery not when they buy a ticket. And if you think making a light hearted joke about him drinking and smoking (despite his constant need to be photographed in a beer garden drinking and smoking) is personal then you had thinner skin than I thought. And the pension and German references were a not so subtle way of pointing out the hypocrisy of the man but again if that offended I apologise. And your reference to the "left", well as we've established that appears to be your signature whether relevant or not...... Prestwich It doesn't bother or affect me personally in the slightest what you or anybody says on a messageboard. Only what happens in my personal life does that. Farage has indeed been more influential than Corbyn and the " left"....I don't see why you are do touchy about my criticism of them....it's clear that they've let the working class down. I think the current big issue is anti semitism and the expulsion of Corbyn....its not my fault nor Farage's that that is the way it has gone. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 0:00:32 GMT
You've lost me again. Never mind. To try to answer.....those that think they are the mouthpiece for the " Left"....aren't....in my opinion. And someone like Farage is actually closer to their thinking , in my opinion. I know that you won't get it , I don't expect you to. You can keep expressing confusion but it is really quite simple. My opinion is you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber of opinions that are similar to your own. A lot of which comes from YouTube with your reliance on posting many videos of people who echo your point. Im happy to keep re-writing this is you still don't get it? Youre right in your second part. I am confused. It sounds like what you are saying is that your belief of the left is not people who identify as being left but is actually Nigel Farage? You'll have to give me a minute to put my splitting sides back in but is that what you're saying 'The Left' is? As I say , I don't follow you, but trying to get at me isn't really the issue and is totally irrelevant to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 0:08:29 GMT
He may have changed it john, but not necessarily for the better. Time will tell I guess, but you acknowledge someone when they win the lottery not when they buy a ticket. And if you think making a light hearted joke about him drinking and smoking (despite his constant need to be photographed in a beer garden drinking and smoking) is personal then you had thinner skin than I thought. And the pension and German references were a not so subtle way of pointing out the hypocrisy of the man but again if that offended I apologise. And your reference to the "left", well as we've established that appears to be your signature whether relevant or not...... Prestwich It doesn't bother or affect me personally in the slightest what you or anybody says on a messageboard. Only what happens in my personal life does that. Farage has indeed been more influential than Corbyn and the " left"....I don't see why you are do touchy about my criticism of them....it's clear that they've let the working class down. I think the current big issue is anti semitism and the expulsion of Corbyn....its not my fault nor Farage's that that is the way it has gone. There's only one person getting touchy here john. You keep trying to use the "left" as a stick to beat me with but it's a one way conversation. I never once mentioned the left only you did (several times). |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 0:14:48 GMT
Prestwich It doesn't bother or affect me personally in the slightest what you or anybody says on a messageboard. Only what happens in my personal life does that. Farage has indeed been more influential than Corbyn and the " left"....I don't see why you are do touchy about my criticism of them....it's clear that they've let the working class down. I think the current big issue is anti semitism and the expulsion of Corbyn....its not my fault nor Farage's that that is the way it has gone. There's only one person getting touchy here john. You keep trying to use the "left" as a stick to beat me with but it's a one way conversation. I never once mentioned the left only you did (several times). You regularly defend Corbyn and the Labour party in other threads don't you? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but you seem very defensive of it....are you aware of your pstd on the " knives out for Corbyn " thread? |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 2, 2020 6:49:52 GMT
I don't particularly follow your point there Red. I'm just making a simple point that on many issues Farage is in touch with ordinary people than the traditional parties. He's been more effective than Corbyn. Neither of the two main parties have been or are particularly good...but the Left are so insular and insecure that as long as they feel as though they have the moral high ground, that's enough.....trying to understand ordinary people has become irrelevant.....carry on....many more years of the Conservative government But he isn't. He is in touch with issues that you relate to not the overwhelming majority of ordinary or non-ordinary people. This is why he is rejected time and time again. Even his main party piece when it got the point that the Conservative Party granted the vote on, the masterminds wanted him as far from it as possible. Jeremy Corbyn (I'm not sure where he comes into it) was the worst leader of a major party in about 80 years, failing to see anti semitism and allowing it to run rife. His failure to recognise that has seem him sent packing. I would suspect that YouTube plays a large part of your life and my opinion is you live very much in an echo chamber that's very narrow. You seem terrified of 'the left' and I think you would struggle to define to yourself what that actually is. The only reason corbyn did as badly as he did was that slimy bastard starmer undermining and trying to revoke the will of the people Yes he would of still lost but maybe boris wouldn’t be sitting with such a comfortable majority |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2020 8:04:29 GMT
I think he’s fantastic 😀
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2020 8:16:54 GMT
This is great to see. Just about the only politician I have any respect for. If he plays this right he could produce one of the great shocks in British history.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 2, 2020 8:19:41 GMT
Just about the only politician who is in touch with the people and most importantly, in touch with the silent majority. I've voted Conservative most my life but can never vote for them again after 10+ years of abject failure and a complete lack of understand and attachment to the real world. This staggering assault on the economy and people's lives with their perverse pro lockdown strategy is one of the most outrageous policies we will ever see in our lives. Goes without saying Labour and Lib Dems are permanently utterly unelectable and part of the problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 8:20:00 GMT
There's only one person getting touchy here john. You keep trying to use the "left" as a stick to beat me with but it's a one way conversation. I never once mentioned the left only you did (several times). You regularly defend Corbyn and the Labour party in other threads don't you? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but you seem very defensive of it....are you aware of your pstd on the " knives out for Corbyn " thread? As I’ve already said John I’ve criticised Corbyn for a number of things. but on that particular thread and that particular issue I’m defending him because I think he’s been treated disgracefully both by the MSM and far worse the treacherous bastards in the PLP who undermined him from day one. I merely comment on what I think is right or wrong irrespective of “which side of the debate” that may be....... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 8:22:44 GMT
You regularly defend Corbyn and the Labour party in other threads don't you? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but you seem very defensive of it....are you aware of your pstd on the " knives out for Corbyn " thread? As I’ve already said John I’ve criticised Corbyn for a number of things. but on that particular thread and that particular issue I’m defending him because I think he’s been treated disgracefully both by the MSM and far worse the treacherous bastards in the PLP who undermined him from day one. I merely comment on what I think is right or wrong irrespective of “which side of the debate” that may be....... We'll leave it there then. ( similarly I criticise " the Left" when I think that they have got it wrong and have let down those people that they should be representing) |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 2, 2020 8:26:53 GMT
Will the cunt still float around the channel in his sports jacket pointing at terrified folk in dinghies telling them that they're the problem? The great fucking turd.
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Post by upthefud on Nov 2, 2020 8:42:21 GMT
Prestwich,
You aren’t wrong that Farage has failed to be elected 7 times, but you are wrong if you think that defines what he’s achieved
How many politicians outside of the three parties get elected in England? He couldn’t impact what he has from within any of those parties.
The guy has led the UK out of the EU, has grown two of the fastest growing political parties in UKIP and Brexit Party since god knows when, has basically become the right hand man to the President of the United States.
Love him or loathe him, it’s very hard to deny that’s he’s one of the most effective politicians in UK history
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 2, 2020 8:56:34 GMT
Prestwich, You aren’t wrong that Farage has failed to be elected 7 times, but you are wrong if you think that defines what he’s achieved How many politicians outside of the three parties get elected in England? He couldn’t impact what he has from within any of those parties. The guy has led the UK out of the EU, has grown two of the fastest growing political parties in UKIP and Brexit Party since god knows when, has basically become the right hand man to the President of the United States. Love him or loathe him, it’s very hard to deny that’s he’s one of the most effective politicians in UK history And don't let's forget that he was a prominent member of the EU Parliament,that apparently used to be more important than our own. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 9:08:28 GMT
Prestwich, You aren’t wrong that Farage has failed to be elected 7 times, but you are wrong if you think that defines what he’s achieved How many politicians outside of the three parties get elected in England? He couldn’t impact what he has from within any of those parties. The guy has led the UK out of the EU, has grown two of the fastest growing political parties in UKIP and Brexit Party since god knows when, has basically become the right hand man to the President of the United States. Love him or loathe him, it’s very hard to deny that’s he’s one of the most effective politicians in UK history That as well may be, but the fact that Farage keeps going back for more would suggest to me that he himself defines success as getting elected...... |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 2, 2020 9:17:57 GMT
Interesting Farage has called it REFORM UK. That's not about lockdowns, he just sees a lot of big headlines and has probably been in discussion with disgruntled Tories. But the name implies it will be a political and electoral reform party. I've said since the last election that the homeless left should form a single issue PR party before Farage does. Either way he's going to be another head ache for Starmer, because if Farage was the only one offering electoral reform even I would consider voting for him, and he's as far from my politics as it's possible to be.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 2, 2020 9:22:56 GMT
Prestwich, You aren’t wrong that Farage has failed to be elected 7 times, but you are wrong if you think that defines what he’s achieved How many politicians outside of the three parties get elected in England? He couldn’t impact what he has from within any of those parties. The guy has led the UK out of the EU, has grown two of the fastest growing political parties in UKIP and Brexit Party since god knows when, has basically become the right hand man to the President of the United States. Love him or loathe him, it’s very hard to deny that’s he’s one of the most effective politicians in UK history I loathe him but he has illustrated that the only way to effect real change in this cripplingly conservative country is through growing a single issue party. The left should have taken note by now. |
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Post by upthefud on Nov 2, 2020 9:24:39 GMT
Prestwich, You aren’t wrong that Farage has failed to be elected 7 times, but you are wrong if you think that defines what he’s achieved How many politicians outside of the three parties get elected in England? He couldn’t impact what he has from within any of those parties. The guy has led the UK out of the EU, has grown two of the fastest growing political parties in UKIP and Brexit Party since god knows when, has basically become the right hand man to the President of the United States. Love him or loathe him, it’s very hard to deny that’s he’s one of the most effective politicians in UK history That as well may be, but the fact that Farage keeps going back for more would suggest to me that he himself defines success as getting elected...... Maybe He himself didn’t stand for The Brexit Party though so he couldnt be elected, and if memory serves me right The Tory and Labour candidate worked pretty closely together to keep him out of Thanet(?) in 2014. That election was his only real failure, before that he’d never been expected to win a seat UKIP had the Tories running scared, it was their surge that caused Cameron to panic and promise a referendum if they won a majority. They wouldn’t have won a majority if Farage’s support had stayed Purple. That’s affecting a policy so much more than you actually can from within a party |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 2, 2020 9:40:51 GMT
That as well may be, but the fact that Farage keeps going back for more would suggest to me that he himself defines success as getting elected...... Maybe He himself didn’t stand for The Brexit Party though so he couldnt be elected, and if memory serves me right The Tory and Labour candidate worked pretty closely together to keep him out of Thanet(?) in 2014. That election was his only real failure, before that he’d never been expected to win a seat UKIP had the Tories running scared, it was their surge that caused Cameron to panic and promise a referendum if they won a majority. They wouldn’t have won a majority if Farage’s support had stayed Purple. That’s affecting a policy so much more than you actually can from within a party Absolutely. It has pained me to admit it, but he has provided a blue print of how to change British politics without being in one of the 2 main parties. And he will do it again. The left should have seen it coming and seen him off. Either way, he'll be eating away at their votes shares at will until we get some kind of PR. Politics is now too nuanced to have fptp. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 9:53:44 GMT
Maybe He himself didn’t stand for The Brexit Party though so he couldnt be elected, and if memory serves me right The Tory and Labour candidate worked pretty closely together to keep him out of Thanet(?) in 2014. That election was his only real failure, before that he’d never been expected to win a seat UKIP had the Tories running scared, it was their surge that caused Cameron to panic and promise a referendum if they won a majority. They wouldn’t have won a majority if Farage’s support had stayed Purple. That’s affecting a policy so much more than you actually can from within a party Absolutely. It has pained me to admit it, but he has provided a blue print of how to change British politics without being in one of the 2 main parties. And he will do it again. The left should have seen it coming and seen him off. Either way, he'll be eating away at their votes shares at will until we get some kind of PR. Politics is now too nuanced to have fptp. Don’t disagree with any of your points. And it’s why now should be the time that the actual socialists in the Labour Party have the courage of their conviction, walk away and form a breakaway party with a massive green agenda similar to that in Corbyn’s manifesto, and with PR high on the agenda. But most don’t appear to have a backbone so alas it won’t happen...... |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 2, 2020 9:56:58 GMT
Maybe He himself didn’t stand for The Brexit Party though so he couldnt be elected, and if memory serves me right The Tory and Labour candidate worked pretty closely together to keep him out of Thanet(?) in 2014. That election was his only real failure, before that he’d never been expected to win a seat UKIP had the Tories running scared, it was their surge that caused Cameron to panic and promise a referendum if they won a majority. They wouldn’t have won a majority if Farage’s support had stayed Purple. That’s affecting a policy so much more than you actually can from within a party Absolutely. It has pained me to admit it, but he has provided a blue print of how to change British politics without being in one of the 2 main parties. And he will do it again. The left should have seen it coming and seen him off. Either way, he'll be eating away at their votes shares at will until we get some kind of PR. Politics is now too nuanced to have fptp. The only thing I think has changed slightly is farage held sway over the Tory party as he kept saying you can’t win those northern seats they will never vote Tory Now due to the slimy bastard Starmer and his duplicitous brexit policy that has been proved wrong |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 2, 2020 10:01:23 GMT
Absolutely. It has pained me to admit it, but he has provided a blue print of how to change British politics without being in one of the 2 main parties. And he will do it again. The left should have seen it coming and seen him off. Either way, he'll be eating away at their votes shares at will until we get some kind of PR. Politics is now too nuanced to have fptp. Don’t disagree with any of your points. And it’s why now should be the time that the actual socialists in the Labour Party have the courage of their conviction, walk away and form a breakaway party with a massive green agenda similar to that in Corbyn’s manifesto, and with PR high on the agenda. But most don’t appear to have a backbone so alas it won’t happen...... Exactly. This move has been predictable from the last election. I think better forming a left version of a single issue reform party fur wider appeal. Then forming a socialist party once thats achieved |
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Post by Foster on Nov 2, 2020 10:13:14 GMT
Absolutely. It has pained me to admit it, but he has provided a blue print of how to change British politics without being in one of the 2 main parties. And he will do it again. The left should have seen it coming and seen him off. Either way, he'll be eating away at their votes shares at will until we get some kind of PR. Politics is now too nuanced to have fptp. Don’t disagree with any of your points. And it’s why now should be the time that the actual socialists in the Labour Party have the courage of their conviction, walk away and form a breakaway party with a massive green agenda similar to that in Corbyn’s manifesto, and with PR high on the agenda. But most don’t appear to have a backbone so alas it won’t happen...... Would love a party to actually go all out on green initiatives while taking a no nonsense approach to hate speech and crime. What's not to like in that. |
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