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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 5, 2019 19:13:16 GMT
Farage is just about the only positive leader in UK politics at present
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 16:48:45 GMT
Wide open to invite abuse , I just thought I'd post this, in the season of goodwill, about the Marmite man.....not many people will ever be this close to death and survive; just for the human angle.
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 22, 2019 16:52:03 GMT
Wide open to invite abuse , I just thought I'd post this, in the season of goodwill, about the Marmite man.....not many people will ever be this close to death and survive, just for the human angle. Had that crash worked out differently, the country would be very different right now. |
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Post by serpico on Dec 22, 2019 17:04:02 GMT
Where does Farage go from here ? His latest tweets suggest he’s pretty happy with the direction brexit is going in, I wonder if he’s got another project up his sleeve ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 17:10:45 GMT
Where does Farage go from here ? His latest tweets suggest he’s pretty happy with the direction brexit is going in, I wonder if he’s got another project up his sleeve ? For me , it doesn't really matter, if a proper BREXIT is achieved, I think that he will be happy. I do think that his latest ' campaign' or rather issue...that the democratic system in the UK needs reform is correct.....but I don't think that the country is ready for that battle for 10 years.. ... it could have been different if BREXIT had been denied. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 19:17:43 GMT
Where does Farage go from here ? His latest tweets suggest he’s pretty happy with the direction brexit is going in, I wonder if he’s got another project up his sleeve ? For me , it doesn't really matter, if a proper BREXIT is achieved, I think that he will be happy. I do think that his latest ' campaign' or rather issue...that the democratic system in the UK needs reform is correct.....but I don't think that the country is ready for that battle for 10 years.. ... it could have been different if BREXIT had been denied. Is Boris' deal a proper brexit? It seems to be less so than Theresa May's deal, and Nigel hated that. He also hated Boris' one too from my recollection! I agree re: PV and electoral reform. I'd much rather see more coalitions. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 22, 2019 19:28:17 GMT
For me , it doesn't really matter, if a proper BREXIT is achieved, I think that he will be happy. I do think that his latest ' campaign' or rather issue...that the democratic system in the UK needs reform is correct.....but I don't think that the country is ready for that battle for 10 years.. ... it could have been different if BREXIT had been denied. Is Boris' deal a proper brexit? It seems to be less so than Theresa May's deal, and Nigel hated that. He also hated Boris' one too from my recollection! I agree re: PV and electoral reform. I'd much rather see more coalitions. Lil, I think it is all in the air at the moment. From my perspective Boris is saying all the right things but only time will tell. I think one important thing: It seems now that everyone accepts that Leave have eventually won the battle....do in a year or two tome Boris will be judged by ' Have we actually left?'...so in my opinion, it is looking ok for BREXIT at the moment |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 23, 2019 1:39:11 GMT
For me , it doesn't really matter, if a proper BREXIT is achieved, I think that he will be happy. I do think that his latest ' campaign' or rather issue...that the democratic system in the UK needs reform is correct.....but I don't think that the country is ready for that battle for 10 years.. ... it could have been different if BREXIT had been denied. Is Boris' deal a proper brexit? It seems to be less so than Theresa May's deal, and Nigel hated that. He also hated Boris' one too from my recollection! I agree re: PV and electoral reform. I'd much rather see more coalitions. Like the paralysis in Italy whoopy doo |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Dec 23, 2019 21:16:06 GMT
Where does Farage go from here ? His latest tweets suggest he’s pretty happy with the direction brexit is going in, I wonder if he’s got another project up his sleeve ? He's very popular in the United States among right wing circles and it wouldn't surprise me if he settled over there at some point in the future. There's the lucrative lecture circuit and of course Trump's re-election campaign. He's said on his LBC radio show he would like to get involved, if only informally, with Turmp's campaign. |
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 24, 2019 8:24:46 GMT
Is Boris' deal a proper brexit? It seems to be less so than Theresa May's deal, and Nigel hated that. He also hated Boris' one too from my recollection! I agree re: PV and electoral reform. I'd much rather see more coalitions. Like the paralysis in Italy whoopy doo Every time Labour get a pasting the PR thing kicks in again. Purely because Labour get worried about winning a FPTP vote. Once they do win and they see themselves winning a few more, their interest dwindles. There ain’t a perfect system - of course. FPTP, on the whole, is the best option imo. |
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 24, 2019 15:26:53 GMT
Like the paralysis in Italy whoopy doo Every time Labour get a pasting the PR thing kicks in again. Purely because Labour get worried about winning a FPTP vote. Once they do win and they see themselves winning a few more, their interest dwindles. There ain’t a perfect system - of course. FPTP, on the whole, is the Betsy option imo. It is as you say an imperfect system . We had something close to PR before the election when the government of the country effectively ground to a halt . It is up to the government of the day to properly represent the wishes of everyone or at least try to |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 24, 2019 16:24:27 GMT
I can understand people saying that we cannot go to a firm of PR because of the Italian experience. I wouldn't want that, who would? I get the argument that we need a "strong government" and can agree that our system , with all its faults has worked up to now, to a degree. For me (I think) I favour a proportional representation system simply because I think it is fairer....,on several grounds. Under the current system many people's votes don't count as ( usually) one of the two main parties is almost a certainty...( I absolutely recognise that this has NOT happened this time which contradicts what I've said to a degree...BUT if the political climate has indeed changed permanently in respect of the demise of the traditional Labour working class vote then we could have effectively become a one party state for the foreseeable future/ forever?) Under first past the post a few swing seats normally determine the outcome. First past the post has created a duopoly of Labour or Tory. Of course it suits them to continue with the system.....but if we do not change, our system will never escape from the now outdated class based left or right...... since the war many WC have " bettered " themselves and do not really know where their heart lies between the big two..... Very little opportunity for new parties or new thinking to emerge..... engendering a political class. Whilst we can claim that FPTP has worked in this country, why fix what has broken,.....it hasn't actually worked for a sizable minority who see no point in voting given what is on offer AND the system that promotes many "safe seats"....." what's the point in voting?' .... so you could argue that it isn't really working. Proportional representation could encourage more people to vote. .,.. I don't think that the system should be complicated because that equally could turn people off.( One of my arguments against the EU was that we don't want two systems of Government/ 2 Parliaments/ 2 legislatures/ 2 sets of MPs)....but MMP below seems an attempt to address another anomaly in our system.....We apparently have a representative system in which we are voting for our local representative....in. actuality in most cases I believe that we make our decision along party lines, dependent upon the National campaign.....in other words we actually vote for the future MP.... This MMP system seems sn attempt to get round that. Given that we've just had a decisive result and after 3 or 4 years of stagnation, snd now have a government that looks as though it can govern....this is the wrong time to bring this up ( about 10 years will be my guess,!)....I detect that there are actually many people who are now glad that Boris can get on with it ( obviously desenters, but many of those seem resigned to have lost) ,........... New Zealand is one of several countries to use mixed member PR (MMP). Voters elect a candidate for their constituency, using the FPTP system, and also cast a second vote for the party they would like to lead the country. These seats are then assigned to parties proportionately. www.theweek.co.uk/22271/proportional-representation-the-pros-and-consThe Mixed Member Proportional system (MMP), therefore, would work better in the UK. In this system, voters have two votes: one for a political party and one for a parliamentary candidate (their constituency representative). MPs run in constituencies like before, but there are also a proportional number of seats given to the parties based on their percentage of the vote. m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/toby-gould/electoral-reform_b_6534440.htmlThe German system; Germans elect their members of parliament with two votes. The first vote is for a direct candidate, who ought to receive a plurality vote in their electoral district. The second vote is used to elect a party list in each state as established by its respective party caucus. The Bundestag comprises seats representing each electoral district, with the remainder of seats being allocated to maintain proportionality based on the second vote. Common practice is that direct candidates are also placed on the electoral lists at higher rankings as a fall-back if they do not win their districts. |
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Post by 3putts on Dec 25, 2019 13:59:15 GMT
Farage is a two faced lying cunt I cannot believe people have swallowed his bullshit hook line and sinker he should be hung for treason
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Post by thevoid on Dec 25, 2019 14:17:29 GMT
Farage is a two faced lying cunt I cannot believe people have swallowed his bullshit hook line and sinker he should be hung for treason But not the bloke who rubbed shoulders with enemies of the state? An interesting perspective, have you been on the Cockburns early? |
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Post by Gods on Dec 25, 2019 14:19:35 GMT
I heard him say on the Andrew Marr show he's off to the USA to be Trump's warm up guy at these big rallies he holds in the rust belt States.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 21:53:45 GMT
The old parties are a bit stale and, I believe, that most people don't and can't relate to them. Not sure that the Lockdown is the main political issue....but I do believe that reform is. Of course the conformists will prefer the status quo...... that's really working isn't it.....for the political class. The Left used to be radical, and the contemporary left think that they are....but they are not really....same old , same old......they are afraid of thinking the unthinkable, thinking outside the box, in fact they'd prefer to constantly look backwards, thinking " We were right weren't we , we told you"....totally out of touch and irrelevant to the working class. Nigel Farage prepares to launch anti-lockdown party called Reform UK f7td5.app.goo.gl/TyCxzS |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:16:18 GMT
The old parties are a bit stale and, I believe, that most people don't and can't relate to them. Not sure that the Lockdown is the main political issue....but I do believe that reform is. Of course the conformists will prefer the status quo...... that's really working isn't it.....for the political class. The Left used to be radical, and the contemporary left think that they are....but they are not really....same old , same old......they are afraid of thinking the unthinkable, thinking outside the box, in fact they'd prefer to constantly look backwards, thinking " We were right weren't we , we told you"....totally out of touch and irrelevant to the working class. Nigel Farage prepares to launch anti-lockdown party called Reform UKf7td5.app.goo.gl/TyCxzS"And now, for my next grift......." |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 22:27:41 GMT
The old parties are a bit stale and, I believe, that most people don't and can't relate to them. Not sure that the Lockdown is the main political issue....but I do believe that reform is. Of course the conformists will prefer the status quo...... that's really working isn't it.....for the political class. The Left used to be radical, and the contemporary left think that they are....but they are not really....same old , same old......they are afraid of thinking the unthinkable, thinking outside the box, in fact they'd prefer to constantly look backwards, thinking " We were right weren't we , we told you"....totally out of touch and irrelevant to the working class. Nigel Farage prepares to launch anti-lockdown party called Reform UKf7td5.app.goo.gl/TyCxzS"And now, for my next grift......." Not really, he's probably closer to ordinary opinion than Corbyn , Starmer or Boris....or any traditional party. Much more in touch than the repetitive quagmire that we are in. Hope you are getting on OK in respect of the Virus. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2020 22:37:03 GMT
"And now, for my next grift......." Not really, he's probably closer to ordinary opinion than Corbyn , Starmer or Boris....or any traditional party. Much more in touch than the repetitive quagmire that we are in. Hope you are getting on OK in respect of the Virus. He's achieved more than any elected politician in the last 50 years in the UK, he's a winner and the losers hate him for that fact. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:46:02 GMT
"And now, for my next grift......." Not really, he's probably closer to ordinary opinion than Corbyn , Starmer or Boris....or any traditional party. Much more in touch than the repetitive quagmire that we are in. Hope you are getting on OK in respect of the Virus. I don't care about ordinary opinion john, just my own, as should everyone else. I'm doing ok cheers...... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 22:48:19 GMT
Not really, he's probably closer to ordinary opinion than Corbyn , Starmer or Boris....or any traditional party. Much more in touch than the repetitive quagmire that we are in. Hope you are getting on OK in respect of the Virus. He's achieved more than any elected politician in the last 50 years in the UK, he's a winner and the losers hate him for that fact. Well he failed to get elected 7 times so not sure why he was so desperate to keep trying then? |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 22:55:10 GMT
Not really, he's probably closer to ordinary opinion than Corbyn , Starmer or Boris....or any traditional party. Much more in touch than the repetitive quagmire that we are in. Hope you are getting on OK in respect of the Virus. I don't care about ordinary opinion john, just my own, as should everyone else. I'm doing ok cheers...... There's a lot of ordinary people looking for someone to state their case. |
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 1, 2020 23:02:45 GMT
Him and David Icke should get together.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:02:50 GMT
I don't care about ordinary opinion john, just my own, as should everyone else. I'm doing ok cheers...... There's a lot of ordinary people looking for someone to state their case. That's always been the same and will always be the same john. It doesn't make him in any way special....... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:08:03 GMT
There's a lot of ordinary people looking for someone to state their case. That's always been the same and will always be the same john. It doesn't make him in any way special....... Not particularly special....but he is in tune with ordinary people more than Corbyn, Starmer and Boris |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2020 23:15:20 GMT
The old parties are a bit stale and, I believe, that most people don't and can't relate to them. Not sure that the Lockdown is the main political issue....but I do believe that reform is. Of course the conformists will prefer the status quo...... that's really working isn't it.....for the political class. The Left used to be radical, and the contemporary left think that they are....but they are not really....same old , same old......they are afraid of thinking the unthinkable, thinking outside the box, in fact they'd prefer to constantly look backwards, thinking " We were right weren't we , we told you"....totally out of touch and irrelevant to the working class. Nigel Farage prepares to launch anti-lockdown party called Reform UK f7td5.app.goo.gl/TyCxzSI'd love to know how your mind works at times. This fear you hold for anyone who doesnt agree with your way of thinking being boxed into this category of 'The Left' is fascinating. Lockdown not being the main politcal issue of the time, people not relating to the 2 largest parties leaders despite voting intentions showing they dominate around 75%, conformists of people following government guidelines and the slavish devotion to a man who has less politcal policies than Joe Biden. The ultimate one-trick pony who last year you believed to be the best person to be Prime Minister. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 1, 2020 23:16:43 GMT
Him and David Icke should get together. Imagine this; they could turn the 5G deaths rays onto sinking boats in the English Channel. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:22:04 GMT
The old parties are a bit stale and, I believe, that most people don't and can't relate to them. Not sure that the Lockdown is the main political issue....but I do believe that reform is. Of course the conformists will prefer the status quo...... that's really working isn't it.....for the political class. The Left used to be radical, and the contemporary left think that they are....but they are not really....same old , same old......they are afraid of thinking the unthinkable, thinking outside the box, in fact they'd prefer to constantly look backwards, thinking " We were right weren't we , we told you"....totally out of touch and irrelevant to the working class. Nigel Farage prepares to launch anti-lockdown party called Reform UK f7td5.app.goo.gl/TyCxzSI'd love to know how your mind works at times. This fear you hold for anyone who doesnt agree with your way of thinking being boxed into this category of 'The Left' is fascinating. Lockdown not being the main politcal issue of the time, people not relating to the 2 largest parties leaders despite voting intentions showing they dominate around 75%, conformists of people following government guidelines and the slavish devotion to a man who has less politcal policies than Joe Biden. The ultimate one-trick pony who last year you believed to be the best person to be Prime Minister. I don't particularly follow your point there Red. I'm just making a simple point that on many issues Farage is in touch with ordinary people than the traditional parties. He's been more effective than Corbyn. Neither of the two main parties have been or are particularly good...but the Left are so insular and insecure that as long as they feel as though they have the moral high ground, that's enough.....trying to understand ordinary people has become irrelevant.....carry on....many more years of the Conservative government |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 23:26:12 GMT
That's always been the same and will always be the same john. It doesn't make him in any way special....... Not particularly special....but he is in tune with ordinary people more than Corbyn, Starmer and Boris I look forward to his popularity getting him a seat in parliament 8th time of asking then john....... |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 1, 2020 23:29:28 GMT
Not particularly special....but he is in tune with ordinary people more than Corbyn, Starmer and Boris I look forward to his popularity getting him a seat in parliament 8th time of asking then john....... He's been very effective politically....amazing really, effected change from the outside......all you can do is avoid the issues and get the man....it's not working.....People can see through it. |
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