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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 11, 2019 18:43:19 GMT
Ipswich player of season last year, my mate who watches ipswich regularly & knows his stuff (uefa B license) said he's quality uefa b license you say š
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 18:50:43 GMT
Shawcross should definitely be allowed to retire at Stoke and it would very poor judgement to get rid of him but now is the time for him to be āphased outā of regular first team appearances. If NJ seeās Pennington as the answer to that gap then its a worthwhile risk in my eyes. How much is Ryan on? No idea.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 11, 2019 18:50:56 GMT
One thing we learnt last season was there are periods in the Champ. when games come thick and fast and we need plenty of CB cover.
Ryan started the season poorly but after being "rested" he came back much better although not back to the Ryan of old with last ditch tackles and clearances off the goal line.
Batth improved us and is an excellent stopper, our best since Huth, but like Huth he is very limited with the ball at his feet. Towards the end of the season I thought he was starting to look a little jaded.
When Hughes signed a 5th CB there was lots of criticism on here, but there were times that season we were down to 1 fit CB, despite playing 3 CBs being abandoned.
As it stands at the moment we have 1 CB in his prime, 2 who have seen better days, and 2 inexperienced (at Champ. level), one dead beat coming back off loan.
If we are serious about pushing for promotion we need at least 2 CBs in their prime.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 11, 2019 18:52:25 GMT
Ipswich player of season last year, my mate who watches ipswich regularly & knows his stuff (uefa B license) said he's quality Their fans like Lambert. his mate is Lambert
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 18:53:57 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 11, 2019 18:57:19 GMT
The signing of Pennington is one of the most unfathomable I can remember for a while. I see no ambition in this purchase and I canāt see what he brings to the club that we donāt already have. We have two potentially good young players already at the club. Isnāt this guy simply going to hamper their progress by blocking first team opportunities. The blocking progress argument doesn't make any sense. If Collins or Souttar can show they are better then Pennington then they should - and will - play. If Pennington is better equipped to play first team football he should be in the side, It's up to the youngsters to demonstrate they can hold down a first team place - it's not up to the manager to make decisions about the squad that prioritise the development of the youngsters. That's just creating a snowflakes generation of footballers which isn't going to do anyone any favours long term.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 11, 2019 18:58:57 GMT
One thing we learnt last season was there are periods in the Champ. when games come thick and fast and we need plenty of CB cover.Ā Ryan started the season poorly but after being "rested" he came back much better although not back to the Ryan of old with last ditch tackles and clearances off the goal line. Batth improved us and is an excellent stopper, our best since Huth, but like Huth he is very limited with the ball at his feet. Towards the end of the season I thought he was starting to look a little jaded. When Hughes signed a 5th CB there was lots of criticism on here, but there were times that season we were down to 1 fit CB, despite playing 3 CBs being abandoned. As it stands at the moment we have 1 CB in his prime, 2 who have seen better days, and 2 inexperienced (at Champ. level), one dead beat coming back off loan. If we are serious about pushing for promotion we need at least 2 CBs in their prime. good post I take the point on 5 centre backs but my issue with Hughes was they were not fit enough and because of this prone to injury When TP was here we pretty much played Huth and Ryan every game and whilst it's not feasible to go into the season with just 2 centre backs I would think 4 consisting of Batth, Ryan, Pennington and Collins should be ample, if you could send out Soutter on loan with a call back clause and sell Indi then that's what I'd do, using the money from Indi to buy a proper left back such as Jay Dasilva
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Post by shrewspotter on Jun 11, 2019 19:00:49 GMT
The signing of Pennington is one of the most unfathomable I can remember for a while. I see no ambition in this purchase and I canāt see what he brings to the club that we donāt already have. We have two potentially good young players already at the club. Isnāt this guy simply going to hamper their progress by blocking first team opportunities. The blocking progress argument doesn't make any sense. If Collins or Souttar can show they are better then Pennington then they should - and will - play. If Pennington is better equipped to play first team football he should be in the side, It's up to the youngsters to demonstrate they can hold down a first team place - it's not up to the manager to make decisions about the squad that prioritise the development of the youngsters. That's just creating a snowflakes generation of footballers which isn't going to do anyone any favours long term. I agree with that, good honest competition for places is a healthy way to run a club and will improve their game.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 19:03:09 GMT
The signing of Pennington is one of the most unfathomable I can remember for a while. I see no ambition in this purchase and I canāt see what he brings to the club that we donāt already have. We have two potentially good young players already at the club. Isnāt this guy simply going to hamper their progress by blocking first team opportunities. The blocking progress argument doesn't make any sense. If Collins or Souttar can show they are better then Pennington then they should - and will - play. If Pennington is better equipped to play first team football he should be in the side, It's up to the youngsters to demonstrate they can hold down a first team place - it's not up to the manager to make decisions about the squad that prioritise the development of the youngsters. That's just creating a snowflakes generation of footballers which isn't going to do anyone any favours long term. They have demonstrated it. The blocking argument is one thatās well proven especially in english football. This is exactly what March describes.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 11, 2019 19:31:44 GMT
Shawcross should definitely be allowed to retire at Stoke and it would very poor judgement to get rid of him but now is the time for him to be āphased outā of regular first team appearances. If NJ seeās Pennington as the answer to that gap then its a worthwhile risk in my eyes. He was brilliant from February last season. He doesnāt need phasing out. So would your starting CB pair be Shawcross and Collins?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 19:33:52 GMT
He was brilliant from February last season. He doesnāt need phasing out. So would your starting CB pair be Shawcross and Collins? Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy.
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Post by robstokie on Jun 11, 2019 19:40:42 GMT
So would your starting CB pair be Shawcross and Collins? Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy. Jesus wept - that cente-half pairing would be so slow and would also be left so exposed if we didnt bring in a good holding mid. Anyone with a hint of dynacism or pace coming forward would have a field day.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 19:50:04 GMT
Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy. Jesus wept - that cente-half pairing would be so slow and would also be left so exposed if we didnt bring in a good holding mid. Anyone with a hint of dynacism or pace coming forward would have a field day. Because Batth is so quick haha. We need to sign a good DM, if we donāt then the club has failed itās manager.
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Post by march4 on Jun 11, 2019 20:04:44 GMT
The blocking progress argument doesn't make any sense. If Collins or Souttar can show they are better then Pennington then they should - and will - play. If Pennington is better equipped to play first team football he should be in the side, It's up to the youngsters to demonstrate they can hold down a first team place - it's not up to the manager to make decisions about the squad that prioritise the development of the youngsters. That's just creating a snowflakes generation of footballers which isn't going to do anyone any favours long term. They have demonstrated it. The blocking argument is one thatās well proven especially in english football. This is exactly what March describes. It is indeed. Why bring in a 24 year old if you intend promoting two younger players to the first team. It makes no sense.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 11, 2019 20:08:38 GMT
So would your starting CB pair be Shawcross and Collins? Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy. I actually agree with quite a lot of what you say but there's no way I'd be confident in that as a starting pair.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 20:13:41 GMT
Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy. Ā I actually agree with quite a lot of what you say but there's no way I'd be confident in that as a starting pair. I think itād be good. And if it isnāt you bring Batth in. Sign Semi Ajayi as the DM and you have your experience cover as well as a starting player. And youāre away.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 11, 2019 20:23:22 GMT
I don't know much about this Pennington, but according to FIFA19 he is very versatile and can cover all the positions in defence decently. Maybe not so bad a signining anyway?
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Post by thehoof on Jun 11, 2019 20:25:54 GMT
Yes. Batth to come in as and when. Still play 20/25 times easy. Jesus wept - that cente-half pairing would be so slow and would also be left so exposed if we didnt bring in a good holding mid. Anyone with a hint of dynacism or pace coming forward would have a field day. So you think Batth is quick ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 20:33:10 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 11, 2019 20:44:56 GMT
Don't we also have GCam?
Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required!
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 20:50:57 GMT
Don't we also have GCam? Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required! I might be wrong but I think Geoff is out of contract.
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 20:52:08 GMT
Don't we also have GCam? Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required! Genuinely forgot he's still a Stoke player We have so many players to get rid of.
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Post by neddy on Jun 11, 2019 20:53:36 GMT
Don't we also have GCam? Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required! Genuinely forgot he's still a Stoke player We have so many players to get rid of. One year left I thought?
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 11, 2019 20:54:54 GMT
Don't we also have GCam? Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required! I might be wrong but I think Geoff is out of contract. Think he has 1 year left. Actually don't see a problem to get rid whether that be back to the states or another domestic loan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 21:08:32 GMT
Davies Federici Butland Edwards Bauer McClean(?) Tymon Pieters Shawcross Batth Pennington Collins Souttar BMI Cameron Wimmer Sorensen Woods Allen Etebo Clucas Ndiaye Imbula Powell Ince(?) Verlinden Bojan Vokes Gregory Afobe(?) Campbell Diouf Ngoy Berahino
2020 -Federici Pieters Cameron Bojan Diouf
2021 -Butland Shawcross Imbula
2022 -Bauer Edwards BMI Souttar Tymon WimmerMcClean Ndiaye Allen Clucas Berahino Ince Vokes Batth Verlinden Ngoy
2023 -Etebo Sorensen
Unknown -Woods Afobe Campbell
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Post by MilanStokie on Jun 11, 2019 21:12:53 GMT
Davies Federici ButlandEdwards BauerMcClean(?) Tymon PietersĀ Shawcross Batth Pennington Collins Souttar BMI Cameron WimmerSorensen WoodsAllen Etebo Clucas Ndiaye ImbulaPowell Ince(?) VerlindenĀ BojanĀ Vokes Gregory Afobe(?) Campbell Diouf Ngoy Berahino2020-Federici Pieters Cameron Bojan Diouf 2021-Butland Shawcross Imbula 2022-Bauer Edwards BMI Souttar Tymon WimmerMcClean Ndiaye Allen Clucas Berahino Ince Vokes Batth Verlinden Ngoy 2023-Etebo Sorensen Unknown-Woods Afobe Campbell Outrageous really isn't it? 14 players preferably to move out added to the 3 that already left!
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Jun 11, 2019 21:14:15 GMT
Baath will be the first name on Jones' teamsheet, and may well be captain.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 21:22:10 GMT
Baath will be the first name on Jones' teamsheet, and may well be captain. He is a very good captain - the role suits him well.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 21:22:49 GMT
Davies Federici ButlandEdwards BauerMcClean(?) Tymon PietersĀ Shawcross Batth Pennington Collins Souttar BMI Cameron WimmerSorensen WoodsAllen Etebo Clucas Ndiaye ImbulaPowell Ince(?) VerlindenĀ BojanĀ Vokes Gregory Afobe(?) Campbell Diouf Ngoy Berahino2020-Federici Pieters Cameron Bojan Diouf 2021-Butland Shawcross Imbula 2022-Bauer Edwards BMI Souttar Tymon WimmerMcClean Ndiaye Allen Clucas Berahino Ince Vokes Batth Verlinden Ngoy 2023-Etebo Sorensen Unknown-Woods Afobe Campbell Outrageous really isn't it? 14 players preferably to move out added to the 3 that already left! Yeah, if we want a lean squad of about 20 so he can really drill them in the diamond from the off, there's got to be one hell of an exodus in the next fortnight, a huge bomb squad training on their own - or just an instruction to stay away from the club until we sort them out?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 11, 2019 21:25:31 GMT
Don't we also have GCam? Not heard anything about him for ages. Add that to Wimmer, NDiaye, imbula, Pieters, potentially allen and butland, that's some shifting required! If Gcam comes anywhere near stoke I'll chase the fucker out myself. Bloody pussy footed coward.
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