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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 14:50:31 GMT
I agree with Bayern in as much as the worst place for Collins next season is surely 4th choice.
Needed as a warm body to maybe get his 10 games (in all comps) in.
But won't see enough games to really bring him on, even as an 18yo
I think he needed to be third choice or out on loan.
As it is, it's gong to be very interesting to see what the pecking order is between Batth, Shawcross and Pennington.
It looks like BMI will be off, Souttar loaned - and Collins clear 4th choice.
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 11, 2019 14:50:57 GMT
I’ve heard he’s a bit like a cross between Jermaine Pennant and Matthew Etherington True! He has Etherington's right foot and Pennant's left! We just need to get that John Etherant in from Queen of the South and we’ll be cooking
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Post by kelw on Jun 11, 2019 14:52:44 GMT
Because Bayern want Collins to be a guaranteed starter and won't be happy until we have an ovum at right back and a sperm at lesft back. Bet he hadn't heard of Collins until March. Block his rubbish anyway
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 14:53:13 GMT
Sentinel are saying permanent deal. Wonder what the fee will be? A couple of million? ;It was clear from the off that Pennington was the most comfortable Ipswich Town centre-back when it came to playing the ball out from the back. Positionally he’s good, too, using his body well to win the ball from strikers both in the air and on the ground to punch above his 6ft frame. His finest Ipswich performance arguably came in the 1-0 victory over Wigan in December, where he was the pick of the bunch as the Blues held on to secure a rare win. He mastered tricky conditions, defended superbly, dominated in the air and kept a calm head during a nervous ending.' From an ITFC local reporter. Also says he would probably been player of the year if avoided injury. Maybe not a great boast in a relegated team but defending wasn't their biggest problem. I'm sure the WIKI warriors will be out in force after finding out who he is. Personally wasn't aware of him either but unlike them will see what he can do first He came through years ago as someone with a bright future and if you followed youth football he was one you would have heard about. I thought he was still 21 tbh and still up and coming. He's stagnated massively from where he was meant to be. He's not needed.
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 14:53:37 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM
That means no striker?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 14:53:47 GMT
Because Bayern want Collins to be a guaranteed starter and won't be happy until we have an ovum at right back and a sperm at lesft back. Bet he hadn't heard of Collins until March. Block his rubbish anyway Utter horseshit
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 14:54:21 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM That means no striker? They spell one thing if these are 4 out of 6. A long hard season.
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2019 14:54:42 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM That means no striker? Lee Gregory?
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 14:54:44 GMT
I agree with Bayern in as much as the worst place for Collins next season is surely 4th choice. Needed as a warm body to maybe get his 10 games (in all comps) in. But won't see enough games to really bring him on, even as an 18yo I think he needed to be third choice or out on loan. As it is, it's gong to be very interesting to see what the pecking order is between Batth, Shawcross and Pennington. It looks like BMI will be off, Souttar loaned - and Collins clear 4th choice. I'd have Ryan as 4th choice, Baath and Collins as first choice to start the season at least.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 11, 2019 14:54:46 GMT
Because Bayern want Collins to be a guaranteed starter and won't be happy until we have an ovum at right back and a sperm at lesft back. Bet he hadn't heard of Collins until March. Block his rubbish anyway In fairness he’s been on about Collins for a good while now, and in relation to Collins I think he’s got it spot on
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2019 14:56:14 GMT
We had a lad at Uny called Mike Pennington.
'Keen Mike' was his nickname, owing to his penchant for hard work and generally toadying up to the academic staff.
Not sure if that adds much to the great debate but there you have it!
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Post by Northy on Jun 11, 2019 14:56:40 GMT
;It was clear from the off that Pennington was the most comfortable Ipswich Town centre-back when it came to playing the ball out from the back. Positionally he’s good, too, using his body well to win the ball from strikers both in the air and on the ground to punch above his 6ft frame. His finest Ipswich performance arguably came in the 1-0 victory over Wigan in December, where he was the pick of the bunch as the Blues held on to secure a rare win. He mastered tricky conditions, defended superbly, dominated in the air and kept a calm head during a nervous ending.' From an ITFC local reporter. Also says he would probably been player of the year if avoided injury. Maybe not a great boast in a relegated team but defending wasn't their biggest problem. I'm sure the WIKI warriors will be out in force after finding out who he is. Personally wasn't aware of him either but unlike them will see what he can do first He came through years ago as someone with a bright future and if you followed youth football he was one you would have heard about. I thought he was still 21 tbh and still up and coming. He's stagnated massively from where he was meant to be. He's not needed. Why haven't you taken up a football management role, you make it sound like a piece of piss
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 11, 2019 14:58:28 GMT
Told you 4 would be completed by the end of the weekend.
ITFK ☝️😎
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 14:58:43 GMT
I agree with Bayern in as much as the worst place for Collins next season is surely 4th choice. Needed as a warm body to maybe get his 10 games (in all comps) in. But won't see enough games to really bring him on, even as an 18yo I think he needed to be third choice or out on loan. As it is, it's gong to be very interesting to see what the pecking order is between Batth, Shawcross and Pennington. It looks like BMI will be off, Souttar loaned - and Collins clear 4th choice. I'd have Ryan as 4th choice, Baath and Collins as first choice to start the season at least. Can't see that in a million years though. There's only been one season since 13-14 when he played more minutes that last year (and he'll point out that coincided with us having the 3rd best defensive record in the league!). I think he'll be coming back fully expecting to start 35+ games again. He's only 31
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Post by Gods on Jun 11, 2019 14:59:21 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM That means no striker? They spell one thing if these are 4 out of 6. A long hard season. I can't square the 'in door' spinning around like a top and the 'out door' jammed firmly shut with Nathan's strategy of a smaller squad. We'd have to get about 10 out and there's barely anyone other than Butland, Allen and Collins even remotely sell'able or even giveaway'able is there based on the kind of incomes and contract durations they are on?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 11, 2019 14:59:52 GMT
Because Bayern want Collins to be a guaranteed starter and won't be happy until we have an ovum at right back and a sperm at lesft back. He did tell me his favourite film was Foetal Attraction...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 15:01:58 GMT
I agree with Bayern in as much as the worst place for Collins next season is surely 4th choice. Needed as a warm body to maybe get his 10 games (in all comps) in. But won't see enough games to really bring him on, even as an 18yo I think he needed to be third choice or out on loan. As it is, it's gong to be very interesting to see what the pecking order is between Batth, Shawcross and Pennington. It looks like BMI will be off, Souttar loaned - and Collins clear 4th choice. I'd have Ryan as 4th choice, Baath and Collins as first choice to start the season at least. Shawcross was our best CB from February! He was outstanding.
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Post by corkstokie on Jun 11, 2019 15:05:23 GMT
Bet he hadn't heard of Collins until March. Block his rubbish anyway In fairness he’s been on about Collins for a good while now, and in relation to Collins I think he’s got it spot on Collins could easily travel if he doesn't get senior team outings. He is a class act.
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Post by windows1 on Jun 11, 2019 15:06:17 GMT
Soutter will leave on loan.
that leaves shawcross/bath/indi/pennington/Collins - every club in the championship will have 4 out and out centre halves on their books. I can see indi leaving.
also predict jones will play 3 at the back for some games. if indi does go I can see Collins getting at least 15 games this season. for an 18 year old its a decent return.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 15:14:22 GMT
And we haven't found a taker for Wimmer yet, even on loan as it's likely to be at best!
You really will need to be walking around with a sticker saying 'MUG' on your forehead to pay half his wages and stick him in your team if you're playing at a good standard.
Hannover conceded about 5 goals every game he played last season (and, to be fair, in most games he didn't play in too..)
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 16:13:06 GMT
Not got much of an understanding as to what his level of ability but what i would say is that the everton academy is renowned for bringing players up ‘the right way’. Not gonna judge him until he has had a fair crack of the whip
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 16:13:30 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM That means no striker? Lee Gregory? Sorry ,and not having a go at Gregory, I mean no goalscorer?
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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 16:17:19 GMT
I'd have Ryan as 4th choice, Baath and Collins as first choice to start the season at least. Shawcross was our best CB from February! He was outstanding. He was excellent but Baath is clearly 1st choice and Ryan is getting on now. Minimum 48 game season (easily could be 50+) we will need them all. Don't know, no one does, if Collins can be a regular but do believe he should get the chance as a starter from the off. See how he is/where we are after 8 to 10 games then take a view.
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Post by LankyPotter on Jun 11, 2019 16:23:29 GMT
Sorry ,and not having a go at Gregory, I mean no goalscorer? To be fair if you look at the squad - Benik Afobe, Sam Vokes, Tom Ince and now Lee Gregory as well as Nick Powell all have the ability to score goals at this level and enough to get you out of it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 16:39:39 GMT
Shawcross was our best CB from February! He was outstanding. He was excellent but Baath is clearly 1st choice and Ryan is getting on now. Minimum 48 game season (easily could be 50+) we will need them all. Don't know, no one does, if Collins can be a regular but do believe he should get the chance as a starter from the off. See how he is/where we are after 8 to 10 games then take a view. Batth shouldn’t be. Indeed he’s a massive limiting factor to how well we can do. Ryan is 31, he’s fine at this level for a year or two. Batth Shawcross and Collins should be the ones getting the games.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 11, 2019 16:42:15 GMT
some of their supporters are saying 3 to 4 million seems fair ,but UTD are supposed to have bid 7 million for Nathen Collins so what are we looking at with these valuations
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Post by Veritas on Jun 11, 2019 16:42:36 GMT
So looking like six signings total (unless Allen leaves) with four done ASAP and the other two later. Presumably we will miss out on Justin so a different quality attacking leftback And presumably a DM That means no striker? They spell one thing if these are 4 out of 6. A long hard season. Ever the optimist
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Post by Goonie on Jun 11, 2019 16:43:32 GMT
I agree with Bayern in as much as the worst place for Collins next season is surely 4th choice. Needed as a warm body to maybe get his 10 games (in all comps) in. But won't see enough games to really bring him on, even as an 18yo I think he needed to be third choice or out on loan. As it is, it's gong to be very interesting to see what the pecking order is between Batth, Shawcross and Pennington. It looks like BMI will be off, Souttar loaned - and Collins clear 4th choice. I'd have Ryan as 4th choice, Baath and Collins as first choice to start the season at least. Suspensions and a Ryan's-Back-Problem season will see Collins get his starts I'm sure 😬😉
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Post by Goonie on Jun 11, 2019 16:45:21 GMT
Not got much of an understanding as to what his level of ability but what i would say is that the everton academy is renowned for bringing players up ‘the right way’. Not gonna judge him until he has had a fair crack of the whip It's that kind of balanced, non-judgemental view that will get you ostracised on here 👍😁
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 11, 2019 16:48:36 GMT
I think we’ll be looking at Bathh and Pennington to start Collins backup and Souttar 4th. I think Indi will be sold and possibly Ryan could be gone due to his injury record /wages I think could be on his way.
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