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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 5, 2019 17:39:07 GMT
Class based on 135 minutes of 1st Team Football?? I’ll reserve judgement until he’s played solidly for 15 consecutive games. No. It’s a judgement that I’ve had for 12 months now.... I’ve seen a bit of Collins too and he looks the business to me. If BMI is staying I think we’ve bigger concerns than CB.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 5, 2019 17:39:22 GMT
Well at the end of the day, Jones will live or die by his decisions. If he starts the season poorly results wise with 6 or more signings of his choice things will start to turn against him quite quickly. They will indeed. Let's hope he knows what he's doing. Indeed. Let's say we don't win any of our first five games. That's three wins in 30.
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Post by thevoid on Jun 5, 2019 17:40:45 GMT
I think third choice would be the compromise - and would work great. I just can't see how 4th choice works great for him or us. It doesn’t nor a loan. That’s why if that happened with Collins, this deal is one of the worst in 10 years for the club. Collins has to get games. If he doesn’t he’s wasting his time here. And if we can’t give game time to someone who can be as good as he can be then we’ve got serious problems about the culture at this football club. Plus his fee will increase considerably if he's playing games.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 5, 2019 17:45:53 GMT
Why wouldn’t you if you believe in 2/3 years time he will be playing for a Champions League team in that competition? That’s how good he is. I think third choice would be the compromise - and would work great. I just can't see how 4th choice works great for him or us. It's a long season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 17:47:20 GMT
It doesn’t nor a loan. That’s why if that happened with Collins, this deal is one of the worst in 10 years for the club. Collins has to get games. If he doesn’t he’s wasting his time here. And if we can’t give game time to someone who can be as good as he can be then we’ve got serious problems about the culture at this football club. Plus his fee will increase considerably if he's playing games. He could make us an absolute fortune. I honestly think he could be a catalyst to promotion too. He’s different to the others. There will be bumps along the way but he’s got everything in his locker. He’s a player you should be looking to play. And if you do he will fly. And then either way it’s good for us.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 17:47:35 GMT
I think third choice would be the compromise - and would work great. I just can't see how 4th choice works great for him or us. It's a long season. It is, but 4th choice CBs don't routinely get 10+ games, do they? It's not as if Shawcross was falling to pieces last season. There's only been one season since 13-14 when he's played more minutes.
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 5, 2019 17:49:22 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge.
Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness.
He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles.
This is in a crap Ipswich side!
If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 17:50:50 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge. Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness. He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles. This is in a crap Ipswich side! If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training?? Just means he had a lot of defending to do
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 5, 2019 18:05:50 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge. Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness. He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles. This is in a crap Ipswich side! If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training?? Just means he had a lot of defending to do Exactly, and he did it well. Performing well in a poor side shows you have the potential to be even better with more quality players. Not saying our players are quality, but NJ is building that this summer and Pennington will be very good for us. I hope they can rotate him with Collins though, if we keep him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 18:07:31 GMT
Just means he had a lot of defending to do Exactly, and he did it well. Performing well in a poor side shows you have the potential to be even better with more quality players. Not saying our players are quality, but NJ is building that this summer and Pennington will be very good for us. I hope they can rotate him with Collins though, if we keep him. Not necessarily. I just hope he doesn’t sign.
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Post by retrostoke on Jun 5, 2019 18:26:24 GMT
My god. If any potential signing did their research and started by reading this site we would find it difficult to field 11 players in 2 years time.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 5, 2019 18:36:46 GMT
Wasn't a young Gary Cahill a defender in that Bolton side we smashed 5-0in that cup semi final. Even poor sides can have odd good players!
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Post by nik80 on Jun 5, 2019 18:46:09 GMT
I think third choice would be the compromise - and would work great. I just can't see how 4th choice works great for him or us. It doesn’t nor a loan. That’s why if that happened with Collins, this deal is one of the worst in 10 years for the club. Collins has to get games. If he doesn’t he’s wasting his time here. And if we can’t give game time to someone who can be as good as he can be then we’ve got serious problems about the culture at this football club. Spot on. Have the powers that be learned nothing from the Edwards/Martina debacle? How can we possibly justify developing an Everton player at the expense of one of our own? How can we truly expect Collins to stay at Stoke, if we can’t offer him more game time than he’d get at Man Utd? Also, what does this say about the promotion of our academy, as a selling point to youngsters? If it wasn’t Stoke, I’d say this is total bullshit, but it’d be just like our style in recent times...
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 18:48:51 GMT
Wasn't a young Gary Cahill a defender in that Bolton side we smashed 5-0in that cup semi final. Even poor sides can have odd good players! Tim Cahil was relegated from league 1 to league 2 with Millwall then Everton purchased him a few weeks later What the fuck were they thinking
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 18:59:01 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge. Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness. He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles. This is in a crap Ipswich side! If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training?? Just doing a bit of fact checking The interceptions one is a good stat tbh. And he tops it in interceptions per game too. But then there's another Ipswich player in there, a Bolton player and a Millwall plyer in the top 10. 4 from the top 7. And then 1 each from Sheff Weds and Brum. It's an odd mix. He's not top 10 on the tackling mind on there.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 19:02:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 19:02:21 GMT
Wasn't a young Gary Cahill a defender in that Bolton side we smashed 5-0in that cup semi final. Even poor sides can have odd good players! Tim Cahil was relegated from league 1 to league 2 with Millwall then Everton purchased him a few weeks later What the fuck were they thinking Millwall were in the Championship until 2006, when they were relegated. Cahill signed for Everton in '04. They'd just appeared in the FA Cup final. Sorry Wez.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jun 5, 2019 19:02:27 GMT
It was actually another poster that named him. I thought it was Chopper mate. Can you remember who it was? Or was it someone just shouting out every Everton defender they could think of? 😂😂😂 exactly
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 19:04:15 GMT
I thought it was Chopper mate. Can you remember who it was? Or was it someone just shouting out every Everton defender they could think of? 😂😂😂 exactly Is there still real interest in Gayle?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 5, 2019 19:06:57 GMT
Please fuck indi off as soon as possible.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jun 5, 2019 19:07:00 GMT
Is there still real interest in Gayle? Yes. We wanted him last year but he chose to sign for West Brom. He’s what we need
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Post by adi on Jun 5, 2019 19:08:57 GMT
Exactly, and he did it well. Performing well in a poor side shows you have the potential to be even better with more quality players. Not saying our players are quality, but NJ is building that this summer and Pennington will be very good for us. I hope they can rotate him with Collins though, if we keep him. Not necessarily. I just hope he doesn’t sign. Same as Shaq having a good season in a relegated Stoke side....
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 5, 2019 19:09:01 GMT
Are we going to spend anything this summer chopper or dine at the table of the frees?. How many incomings do you anticipate?
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Post by ParaPsych on Jun 5, 2019 19:09:20 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge. Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness. He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles. This is in a crap Ipswich side! If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training?? Just doing a bit of fact checking The interceptions one is a good stat tbh. And he tops it in interceptions per game too. But then there's another Ipswich player in there, a Bolton player and a Millwall plyer in the top 10. 4 from the top 7. And then 1 each from Sheff Weds and Brum. It's an odd mix. He's not top 10 on the tackling mind on there. A good central defender shouldn't have to tackle much anyway. It's hard to get much from these sorts of stats for me. Ipswich defenders may well have had a lot more defending to do than those in other teams so just naturally get higher numbers. It's like the good old number of saves one for keepers.
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Post by loustokiefc on Jun 5, 2019 19:11:22 GMT
I thought it was Chopper mate. Can you remember who it was? Or was it someone just shouting out every Everton defender they could think of? 😂😂😂 exactly I’m hearing that Pennington more likely to be coming on a permanent rather than loan Chopper.
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Post by DC1863 on Jun 5, 2019 19:12:00 GMT
Any information about Pennington from the Stoke Analytics page? The comments about him being one of the highest interceptors in the league etc suggest he might be a analytical target.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 19:14:53 GMT
Just doing a bit of fact checking The interceptions one is a good stat tbh. And he tops it in interceptions per game too. But then there's another Ipswich player in there, a Bolton player and a Millwall plyer in the top 10. 4 from the top 7. And then 1 each from Sheff Weds and Brum. It's an odd mix. He's not top 10 on the tackling mind on there. A good central defender shouldn't have to tackle much anyway. It's hard to get much from these sorts of stats for me. Ipswich defenders may well have had a lot more defending to do than those in other teams so just naturally get higher numbers. It's like the good old number of saves one for keepers. It's like a lot of stats, it depends on where the interceptions were and what they were. Leeds have two players in the top 10 - Cooper and Jansson. You can bet your bottom dollar they were interceptions high up the pitch, therefore if you were looking to play a high block, it's those that you are looking for. Also in the top 10 was Tom Trybull at Norwich, a defensive midfielder. Again, another high pressing team. This is the kind of stuff your Technical Director gets paid in Pizza for. Rifling through the stats to pull out players that are performing well in systems that at least half match those you are looking to play yourself. Interesting stats to me are dribbles per game for full backs - something a diamond and in particular Jones' diamond require. Two names jump out at our level for right and left back (outside of the developing Edwards...) - Yiadom at Reading and Jay Da Silva, closely followed by Amari Bell at Blackburn and Antonee Robinson (Both left backs - Robinson from Everton loan to Wigan).
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 19:16:51 GMT
A lot on here are being quick to judge. Pennington was actually the best CD in the Championship for ball interceptions, which means he clearly has very good positional awareness. He was also in the Top 10 for successful tackles. This is in a crap Ipswich side! If it wasn't for the ankle ligament injury, this would be an astute piece of business. Will he even be fit enough to start pre-season training?? Just doing a bit of fact checking The interceptions one is a good stat tbh. And he tops it in interceptions per game too. But then there's another Ipswich player in there, a Bolton player and a Millwall plyer in the top 10. 4 from the top 7. And then 1 each from Sheff Weds and Brum. It's an odd mix. He's not top 10 on the tackling mind on there. www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/interception Yeah - don't think that stat really tells you much more than who had to do the most defending as the Prem list demonstrates.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jun 5, 2019 19:17:17 GMT
A good central defender shouldn't have to tackle much anyway. It's hard to get much from these sorts of stats for me. Ipswich defenders may well have had a lot more defending to do than those in other teams so just naturally get higher numbers. It's like the good old number of saves one for keepers. It's like a lot of stats, it depends on where the interceptions were and what they were. Leeds have two players in the top 10 - Cooper and Jansson. You can bet your bottom dollar they were interceptions high up the pitch, therefore if you were looking to play a high block, it's those that you are looking for. Also in the top 10 was Tom Trybull at Norwich, a defensive midfielder. Again, another high pressing team. This is the kind of stuff your Technical Director gets paid in Pizza for. Rifling through the stats to pull out players that are performing well in systems that at least half match those you are looking to play yourself. Interesting stats to me are dribbles per game for full backs - something a diamond and in particular Jones' diamond require. Two names jump out at our level for right and left back (outside of the developing Edwards...) - Yiadom at Reading and Jay Da Silva, closely followed by Amari Bell at Blackburn and Antonee Robinson (Both left backs - Robinson from Everton loan to Wigan). Yeah in the context of other stats and with some background knowledge they are a useful tool. In the rather isolated way they often get presented on here they are usually useless.
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 19:18:24 GMT
Is there still real interest in Gayle? Won’t he be suspended first few games?
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