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Post by lordb on Jun 5, 2019 12:21:42 GMT
Do we need him? I'd much prefer Collins or Souttar as back up center half's It depends on what is going on in the background doesn't it? Not everything that happens, happens in the order it is supposed to. Come August we might look back and say "yes, we did actually need another centre half" The argument with youngsters being used as back ups is whether they are better off out on loan in their formative years or sat behind an experienced player for the majority of the season waiting for a drop in form or injury? To me you either play them in your own team or you send them out on loan with a guaranteed game clause. As I've said above, I think Souttar will go on loan and Collins might stick around. agreed however if Bruno isn't leaving then we have too many CB's If Bruno is leaving then fine 5 CB's with one out on loan makes sense to me |
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 5, 2019 12:22:04 GMT
Mainly bits and bobs that I saw of him last year for Ipswich. It's difficult to see in a bucket of shite but he looked decent to me, along with the young lad who Lambert chucked in (Lankester). Thought he had a good game v us at home. Yeah. Read quite a bit of the Ipswich forum on him last night. It's clear he was far from a disaster, although didn't attract massive plaudits. And what you can really glean from the unfolding catastrophe at Ipswich is hard to really gauge. He didn't seem to do well at Leeds the season before though. Just a bit 'meh' on this one at the moment. Hopefully the defensive midfielder and left-back will inject a bit more belief around the fanbase I'm the same, it does seem very very meh (and unnecessary) but all i can say is i recall a very similar post from you FM when we were linked with and signed Batth (underwhelming,not great at previous clubs, couldn't get in the Boro side, not exactly raved about on different messageboards etc), and that turned out better than we all expected, so, maybe there's hope there..... Maybe  |
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Post by logdog on Jun 5, 2019 12:22:53 GMT
mobile.twitter.com/JamesMcCann74This fella reckons Souttar is going out on loan to Ipswich, maybe he impressed Lambert whilst he was here? Don’t know how much this guy is in the gen...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 12:25:03 GMT
Yeah. Read quite a bit of the Ipswich forum on him last night. It's clear he was far from a disaster, although didn't attract massive plaudits. And what you can really glean from the unfolding catastrophe at Ipswich is hard to really gauge. He didn't seem to do well at Leeds the season before though. Just a bit 'meh' on this one at the moment. Hopefully the defensive midfielder and left-back will inject a bit more belief around the fanbase I'm the same, it does seem very very meh (and unnecessary) but all i can say is i recall a very similar post from you FM when we were linked with and signed Batth (underwhelming,not great at previous clubs, couldn't get in the Boro side, not exactly raved about on different messageboards etc), and that turned out better than we all expected, so, maybe there's hope there..... Maybe Haha! Very true mate |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 5, 2019 12:34:05 GMT
Sounds like a decent signing at a good age.
Im sure it means someone is offski.
Everyone is assuming its BMI but I think it could be Shawcross being offered a better deal somewhere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 12:44:43 GMT
www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-latest/why-marcelo-bielsa-and-leeds-united-must-put-loan-lessons-into-practice-this-summer-1-9794879Temporary signings have always been common in the Championship but Monday’s play-off final between Aston Villa and Derby County was a demonstration of the way in which managers can profit from landing loanees who would be unaffordable and, in many cases, unavailable on a permanent basis: Tammy Abraham, Tyrone Mings and Axel Tuanzebe on one side; Mason Mount, Harry Wilson and Fikayo Tomori on the other.
As this article argues, loans can obviously be a really important part of your signing strategy - especially ones that are unavailable or unaffordable permanently. Not sure this guy really ticks that box, but ones that do tick those boxes (like Abraham, Mount, Wilson, Tomori) are the hardest to get due to demand. This guy seems very much available permanently, probably for a couple of million max. Maybe it will be loan with a permanent option - or maybe just a straightforward permanent deal when announced? Davies, Powell, Gregory and Pennington would certainly be a.......thrifty and frugal start to the summer (certainly in terms of fees, if not wages) Wonder if we're saving the magic beans up for one big punt, or whether we'll be watching the pennies all the way through?
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Post by kustokie on Jun 5, 2019 12:45:00 GMT
Sounds like a decent signing at a good age. Im sure it means someone is offski. Everyone is assuming its BMI but I think it could be Shawcross being offered a better deal somewhere. I think Shawcross wants to end his career at Stoke. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 12:45:33 GMT
Have never heard of him so he's shit
We have a good partnership and obviously they will play all 46 games so why sign someone else?
And so on
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 12:47:50 GMT
Bayern calling someone backwards is a bit like Pol Pot calling someone controlling |
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 5, 2019 13:32:02 GMT
I just don't get the LOAN bit, not for a position that is currently occupied by 5 players under contract, even if we are in the process of losing one a loan doesn't make sense.
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 5, 2019 13:46:53 GMT
Can Homzy be asked how the player coach role is taking shape?. Any progress?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 5, 2019 13:51:21 GMT
I'm in the "struggling to get my head around it" camp on this one. Have Everton got some sort of hold over us having their underwhelming defenders? This guy just seems a bit "nothing" to me. He's not coming straight in to bulldoze Shawcross and Batth out of the way and, really, he shouldn't be walking in above Collins or BMI unless we sell one of them.
If he's happy to come here as back up, potentially very peripherally then I could see it. But from Everton on a half decent whack of money? I know we've signed players from relegated clubs in the past who have gone on to shine (Huth) but someone who played for a dire Ipswich last season? It hardly screams excitement, although I guess not many CB signings do.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 13:52:47 GMT
We know that Collins has looked VERY promising in his three first matches. But that's exactly what it is; three first. What we don't know is how Collins looks if we start leaking goals or when he has a bad game. Will he pick himself up immeditaely or will more bad games follow? We know the questions, not the answers. Pennington may not view himself as back up for a teenager, but he's a better player than Batth and could make a place for himself in the team alongside Collins, while it lasts, and alongside Souttar when he is deemed ready.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 5, 2019 13:54:55 GMT
A player who is still contracted to a premier league club in his mid 20's who hasn't broken through into the first team sets all sorts of alarm bells ringing for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 14:01:26 GMT
The last tweet is exactly why this move is an absolute disaster. |
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 5, 2019 14:25:03 GMT
Having, for many years, heard and read that we are going to sign a player and disappointed so many times,I have resigned myself to not believing anything I read and hear. Remember being told we had signed Ba?
My first disappointment was hearing we were close to signing Denise Law. That was shortly followed by an interest in Bobby Charlton.
We have 'signed' so many players over the past 11 seasons that have never actually arrived at the Brit.
When will it occur to people that they are actually showing how gullible they are.
We may witness the signing of this young player, if so, then great but I will take little notice until it is official.
My mantra is, "I wont believe it until the guy takes to the field in our colours".
By the way I've just heard we are signing Neymar. Xxx
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Post by unknown182 on Jun 5, 2019 14:28:43 GMT
We need to be putting together a settled back four that we can build on for the next couple of season. I don't like the idea of bringing in loan defenders every season. If he does sign and plays like Maldini he'll be off in the summer anyway and we're back to square one.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 5, 2019 14:33:45 GMT
A player who is still contracted to a premier league club in his mid 20's who hasn't broken through into the first team sets all sorts of alarm bells ringing for me. that's the way it seems to be going though. Not saying saying its good or right. PL clubs stockpiling players, loaning them out, if they prove to be decent they sell them or eventually lose them. Other clubs pay their wages. Win/Win. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 5, 2019 14:34:06 GMT
I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan. Yep - for it to begin to make sense, BMI must be off. And I'd expect Souttar to go on loan. Even then, I'm a little bit perplexed as to what the Collins plan is, because as 4th choice (if that's what he ends up), he ain't going to get all that much football. Baath / Pennington first choice Shawcross / Collins or Souttar as back up I suspect depending on if Collins is sold. BMI gone |
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 14:37:26 GMT
A player who is still contracted to a premier league club in his mid 20's who hasn't broken through into the first team sets all sorts of alarm bells ringing for me. that's the way it seems to be going though. Not saying saying its good or right. PL clubs stockpiling players, loaning them out, if they prove to be decent they sell them or eventually lose them. Other clubs pay their wages. Win/Win. Could also describe say Dwight Gayle. Not good enough for him Prem side |
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 5, 2019 14:38:22 GMT
He's a very decent centre half IMO. Do we need him? I'd much prefer Collins or Souttar as back up center half's At 25 years old and we have not herd much about him not sure about this hope I am wrong.alot of the names that are been mentioned don't fill me with much hope |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 5, 2019 14:44:46 GMT
that's the way it seems to be going though. Not saying saying its good or right. PL clubs stockpiling players, loaning them out, if they prove to be decent they sell them or eventually lose them. Other clubs pay their wages. Win/Win. Could also describe say Dwight Gayle. Not good enough for him Prem side Totally different. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 14:49:54 GMT
Could also describe say Dwight Gayle. Not good enough for him Prem side Totally different. Both not quite good enough to play in the Prem but one good enough for us and the other isn't? Because you can't get into a Prem side doesn't make you a bad player and not good enough for a Championship side. I would rather see what he does for us before passing judgement on a player I doubt many knew much about until they typed in Wiki |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 15:06:14 GMT
My wife works with his mum if that helps.....
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 15:13:15 GMT
We need to be putting together a settled back four that we can build on for the next couple of season. I don't like the idea of bringing in loan defenders every season. If he does sign and plays like Maldini he'll be off in the summer anyway and we're back to square one. And if we sign players on a 3+ years contract and they are shite we are stuck with them Depends on which way you want to think |
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 5, 2019 15:15:05 GMT
Yep - for it to begin to make sense, BMI must be off. And I'd expect Souttar to go on loan. Even then, I'm a little bit perplexed as to what the Collins plan is, because as 4th choice (if that's what he ends up), he ain't going to get all that much football. Baath / Pennington first choice Shawcross / Collins or Souttar as back up I suspect depending on if Collins is sold. BMI gone Pennington as first choice though? From a relegated Ipswich side after an uninspiring period at Leeds? I'm all for a bit of shrewd business but how is he going to come in with a CV like that and simply replace a stalwart like Shawcross? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 15:22:20 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2019 15:24:12 GMT
Fat Frank interested as well so Pugs will approve and it’ll maybe change Bayern’s mind😄
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 15:29:09 GMT
Good player.
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Post by boscfc on Jun 5, 2019 15:32:31 GMT
My wife works with his mum if that helps..... Can she play left back? |
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