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Post by scfc75 on Jun 5, 2019 11:41:46 GMT
😂 So if we sign a player you don’t agree with, and he turns out to be one of our top performers, it’s irrelevant because you say so? Right you are. If it blocks the development of a better player then yes it is. IF the player coming in doesn’t improve the squad and IF the player they block would have had a better season instead then I agree. Your problem is you’re assuming those if’s will be fact and saying it’s a bad move regardless. You don’t know what will happen, it’s the beauty of football. He might come in and be a star, he might be a disaster. Collins might start the first ten games and be terrible or he might be amazing. It MIGHT be a bad move, yes. Likewise playing Collins might end up being a bad move. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 11:42:16 GMT
Is a slog of a long season and realistically we need 3 or 4 CBs especially with Shawcross less capable of playing a whole season and a loan one going back. Makes simple sense to be. Batth Pennington Shawcross BMI Collins Souttar Well, we've got 6 as it stands now. So will be very interesting to see what the plan is I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 5, 2019 11:42:30 GMT
If it's a loan then I'm 100% against this, just to confirm I'm siding with Bayern for the first and last time ever.
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 11:44:34 GMT
Is a slog of a long season and realistically we need 3 or 4 CBs especially with Shawcross less capable of playing a whole season and a loan one going back. Makes simple sense to be. Batth Pennington Shawcross BMI Collins Souttar Well, we've got 6 as it stands now. So will be very interesting to see what the plan is So you know that Souttar and BMI will be here? Be very surprised if Souttar isn't loaned again, Ipswich already rumoured and how nany times did BMI play centre back last half of the season? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2019 11:44:36 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 11:47:59 GMT
Batth Pennington Shawcross BMI Collins Souttar Well, we've got 6 as it stands now. So will be very interesting to see what the plan is I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan. Yep - for it to begin to make sense, BMI must be off. And I'd expect Souttar to go on loan. Even then, I'm a little bit perplexed as to what the Collins plan is, because as 4th choice (if that's what he ends up), he ain't going to get all that much football. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 11:48:39 GMT
Think in Jones' system we need a CB who's comfortable at bringing the ball out, so this signing makes sense. Batth is OK, but if we want to move the ball more fluidly into midfield and into the full-backs, I don't think Shawcross can play. Collins |
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Post by ceejays on Jun 5, 2019 11:48:55 GMT
So mr Bayern you complain that Batth hoofs it you complain Shawcross hoofs it . So Pennington doesn’t and you still complain. You’re priceless .Shawcross has dodgy back. Indi on his way out so let’s rely on two young lads. Yes they will get game time but 46 games is a long slog. Complain away
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 11:50:01 GMT
So mr Bayern you complain that Batth hoofs it you complain Shawcross hoofs it . So Pennington doesn’t and you still complain. You’re priceless .Shawcross has dodgy back. Indi on his way out so let’s rely on two young lads. Yes they will get game time but 46 games is a long slog. Complain away I don’t complain Shawcross hoofs it. He’s good on the ball. Collins is class. The club need to back him. |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 5, 2019 11:51:15 GMT
Batth Pennington Shawcross BMI Collins Souttar Well, we've got 6 as it stands now. So will be very interesting to see what the plan is I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan.
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 11:53:21 GMT
I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan. Yep - for it to begin to make sense, BMI must be off. And I'd expect Souttar to go on loan. Even then, I'm a little bit perplexed as to what the Collins plan is, because as 4th choice (if that's what he ends up), he ain't going to get all that much football. Collins is a young lad and if involved in 18 games say at some point will do him no harm. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 5, 2019 11:54:14 GMT
Stoke are clearly setting up to follow the Tony Pulis blueprint for promotion, and we will start the season with 8 centre halves.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 11:54:38 GMT
I can see BMI leaving and one of Collins or Souttar leaving on loan.
He said he wanted 2 per position so 6 makes no sense unless the youngster are off somewhere... |
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Post by themistocles on Jun 5, 2019 11:56:55 GMT
How ridiculously underwhelming this is
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 11:57:41 GMT
How ridiculously underwhelming this is He's a very decent centre half IMO. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 11:58:20 GMT
Yep - for it to begin to make sense, BMI must be off. And I'd expect Souttar to go on loan. Even then, I'm a little bit perplexed as to what the Collins plan is, because as 4th choice (if that's what he ends up), he ain't going to get all that much football. Collins is a young lad and if involved in 18 games say at some point will do him no harm. I agree with that. 15-20 games would be fine for an 18yo. If that's the plan, that's fine. Will he get that behind Batth, Pennington and Shawcross? Time will tell. I'll be interested to see if Pennington vaults over Shawcross in the pecking order. People say he struggled for injury, but he still played 36 games and the second most minutes since 2013. I still think this looks a strange one, but obviously support the manager being given free rein to do as he sees fit. He's been tasked to get us promotion and how he goes about it is his business. But it's obviously going to attract discussion along the way! |
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 5, 2019 11:59:10 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 5, 2019 12:00:10 GMT
How ridiculously underwhelming this is He's a very decent centre half IMO. And he's not Phil Jagleika |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 12:00:30 GMT
How ridiculously underwhelming this is He's a very decent centre half IMO. What's that based on mate? Genuinely interested and looking for encouragement! |
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Post by palerider on Jun 5, 2019 12:03:32 GMT
Never heard of him,if he’s no better than co co the clown,Williams or wimmer
Then there is no point to this at all,Everton and spurs been taking the piss for some time now
,Pennington my arse,head on the block time he’s another average no mark
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 5, 2019 12:05:00 GMT
Much better direction than jagielka. If we can get an option to buy in if he does well all the better
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Post by realstokebloke on Jun 5, 2019 12:05:30 GMT
Nah. x3 at the back ...
He said he wanted 2 per position so 6 makes no sense unless the youngster are off somewhere...
(He said, guessing wildly, like everybody else.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 12:07:43 GMT
He's a very decent centre half IMO. What's that based on mate? Genuinely interested and looking for encouragement! Mainly bits and bobs that I saw of him last year for Ipswich. It's difficult to see in a bucket of shite but he looked decent to me, along with the young lad who Lambert chucked in (Lankester). Thought he had a good game v us at home. |
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 5, 2019 12:09:51 GMT
The only sense this makes is if Collins is going. Otherwise I don't see the point.
As a club we appear to be more willing to develop other clubs's players rather than our own. It's very odd.
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Post by potterspele on Jun 5, 2019 12:09:55 GMT
Never heard of him,if he’s no better than co co the clown,Williams or wimmer Then there is no point to this at all,Everton and spurs been taking the piss for some time now ,Pennington my arse,head on the block time he’s another average no mark So because you've never heard of him he must be an average no mark? |
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Post by royalewithcheese on Jun 5, 2019 12:11:06 GMT
Reaction to this signing.....  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 12:11:50 GMT
What's that based on mate? Genuinely interested and looking for encouragement! Mainly bits and bobs that I saw of him last year for Ipswich. It's difficult to see in a bucket of shite but he looked decent to me, along with the young lad who Lambert chucked in (Lankester). Thought he had a good game v us at home. Yeah. Read quite a bit of the Ipswich forum on him last night. It's clear he was far from a disaster, although didn't attract massive plaudits. And what you can really glean from the unfolding catastrophe at Ipswich is hard to really gauge. He didn't seem to do well at Leeds the season before though. Just a bit 'meh' on this one at the moment. Hopefully the defensive midfielder and left-back will inject a bit more belief around the fanbase |
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Post by themistocles on Jun 5, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
How ridiculously underwhelming this is He's a very decent centre half IMO. Do we need him? I'd much prefer Collins or Souttar as back up center half's |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 12:19:17 GMT
He's a very decent centre half IMO. Do we need him? I'd much prefer Collins or Souttar as back up center half's It depends on what is going on in the background doesn't it? Not everything that happens, happens in the order it is supposed to. Come August we might look back and say "yes, we did actually need another centre half" The argument with youngsters being used as back ups is whether they are better off out on loan in their formative years or sat behind an experienced player for the majority of the season waiting for a drop in form or injury? To me you either play them in your own team or you send them out on loan with a guaranteed game clause. As I've said above, I think Souttar will go on loan and Collins might stick around. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 12:21:32 GMT
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