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Post by GoBoks on Jul 10, 2019 17:19:14 GMT
No his record does not indicate he is always capable. In only 2 seasons he has reached double figures. What on earth indicates he will ever reach 20 as he grows older slower less hungry? His most recent 4 seasons are 8 in 45 6 in 33 6 in 31 13 in 40 A total of 30 in 149 or about 1 goal in 5. Given a run of 40 - 45 games, on his consistent form over 4 years, he should score 8 or 9. How can you “not rate him” while arguing he could score 20 for us next season? Again 3 of those 4 were premier league... His championship stats are 1 in 3 with a 3 year run of 1 in 2. I'm not saying he will do it by any means but you also don't know that he won't. I don't rate him as much because I think he isn't an influential player and relies on the team doing well. I personally THINK he would do well if he got 40 + games and the team were generally performing at top half level consistently. I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2019 17:26:28 GMT
He looks a lot leaner in the photos of him so far this pre-season.
They all do tbh. Which is excellent to see.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 10, 2019 17:26:36 GMT
Again 3 of those 4 were premier league... His championship stats are 1 in 3 with a 3 year run of 1 in 2. I'm not saying he will do it by any means but you also don't know that he won't. I don't rate him as much because I think he isn't an influential player and relies on the team doing well. I personally THINK he would do well if he got 40 + games and the team were generally performing at top half level consistently. I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point. ok so let's compare to Dwight gayle, including his premier league efforts. as with Afobe, his premier league return is far worse. not everything has to be a bet though or a case of right or wrong here. I simply think he has the ability in the right setup to get 20. that's all.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 10, 2019 17:27:09 GMT
Again 3 of those 4 were premier league... His championship stats are 1 in 3 with a 3 year run of 1 in 2. I'm not saying he will do it by any means but you also don't know that he won't. I don't rate him as much because I think he isn't an influential player and relies on the team doing well. I personally THINK he would do well if he got 40 + games and the team were generally performing at top half level consistently. I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point. I don’t know about statistics but predictions aren’t your forte...🤣
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 10, 2019 17:31:24 GMT
I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point. I don’t know about statistics but predictions aren’t your forte...🤣 Hey! Don't get cheeky! Besides, I'm taking a leaf out of BenjaminBiscuits play-book. He predicted relegation every year from before we were even promoted to Prem, so eventually he was proved right and has now "retired" from making predictions. I'm going to stick with my 107 points for at least another year before eating humple pie!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 10, 2019 17:34:10 GMT
I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point. ok so let's compare to Dwight gayle, including his premier league efforts. as with Afobe, his premier league return is far worse. not everything has to be a bet though or a case of right or wrong here. I simply think he has the ability in the right setup to get 20. that's all. OK. I think in the right set-up, even a lamp-post set on the penalty spot could score 20! As far as probability of seeing Afobe score 20 in one season in my lifetime, I'd be delighted but am not going to hold my breath.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 10, 2019 17:38:03 GMT
I personally don't think he can do it and am willing to bet on that. Are you willing to put your money down that he will do it? I rest my case. As far as stats go, it is a stretch to use data older than 4 seasons ago to predict current performance, so EXCLUDING the incredibly difficult PL, (where even Fuller, Jones, Walters (x2), Diouff, Crouch (x3), Arnautovic miraculously cracked double figures for Stoke), Afobe's record in the past 4 seasons is 23 goals in 86 games, an average of 3.74 Games per goal. Given a 43 game run, his historic average would see him bag about 11 goals not allowing for him being older, slower, less hungry/motivated. But hey, what do I know? Obviously statistics is not my strong point. I don’t know about statistics but predictions aren’t your forte...🤣 AND ..... for the record ...... I am laying the blame for not getting it right last season squarely on the shoulders of our 20 goal striker Benik Afobe .... who obviously didn't read the memo that he was brought in to score goals!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 10, 2019 17:45:12 GMT
He looks a lot leaner in the photos of him so far this pre-season. They all do tbh. Which is excellent to see. Just watched the interview with Ryan Shawcross and he said he's come back leaner due to a regime he's been put on during the break. Maybe it's something the whole squad have been doing? You'd hope so.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2019 17:47:06 GMT
He looks a lot leaner in the photos of him so far this pre-season. They all do tbh. Which is excellent to see. Just watched the interview with Ryan Shawcross and he said he's come back leaner due to a regime he's been put on during the break. Maybe it's something the whole squad have been doing? You'd hope so. Indeed! And makes you wonder what the fuck they were doing before. Vokes looks like he's lost 2 stone. It's a good start to the pre-season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 17:57:23 GMT
He looks a lot leaner in the photos of him so far this pre-season. They all do tbh. Which is excellent to see. Just watched the interview with Ryan Shawcross and he said he's come back leaner due to a regime he's been put on during the break. Maybe it's something the whole squad have been doing? You'd hope so. He looks a lot slimmer all over. Take a quick look at the photo of Lee Gregory on Paul Ruane's twitter too, it looks like he has trimmed down ever so slightly even from his first interview.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 11, 2019 12:30:10 GMT
Just because you wrote it does not make it fact. Because of the FACT that in his entire 14 year career he twice scored more than 10 goals in a season, and added to that, the evidence we have seen with our own eyes last season, I am willing to bet a substantial amount of money that he will not score 20 or more goals this coming season. When you add the FACTS he was 7 6 years younger when he scored 13 in 21 and last season he managed an amazing 8 in 45, I will be willing to double that bet. If it was 76 years ago when he scored 13, how old is he now 😉 Who signed him, Scholes and Cartwright out I’m going to assume you’ve never seen a strike-through before? But hey, who am I to speak? I simply counted the boxes in the table without realizing some seasons had 2 boxes . It’s actually 5 years, but I’m afraid to strike through again in case some one thinks I’m saying he was 765 years younger!
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2019 12:56:18 GMT
If it was 76 years ago when he scored 13, how old is he now 😉 Who signed him, Scholes and Cartwright out I’m going to assume you’ve never seen a strike-through before? But hey, who am I to speak? I simply counted the boxes in the table without realizing some seasons had 2 boxes . It’s actually 5 years, but I’m afraid to strike through again in case some one thinks I’m saying he was 765 years younger! Didnt see it on my phone, would have been easier to take out the 7 and replace with a 6, 765 now that would be just silly
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Post by 3putts on Jul 12, 2019 8:29:37 GMT
Seen glimpses of what he can do but if he is given a chance by nj this season he needs to take it I don't think nj will carry passengers. You also have to take into account that the supply to the strikers last season was non existant Might help if they do some practise on penalty taking
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 12, 2019 8:35:19 GMT
Just watched the interview with Ryan Shawcross and he said he's come back leaner due to a regime he's been put on during the break. Maybe it's something the whole squad have been doing? You'd hope so. Indeed! And makes you wonder what the fuck they were doing before. Vokes looks like he's lost 2 stone. It's a good start to the pre-season. How long before Oatie posters start complaining about lack of presence and physicality in the squad now?
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Post by Northy on Jul 12, 2019 15:37:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:42:27 GMT
I still have a lot of hope for Afobe, if he wasn't working hard he'd be nowhere near the first team.
Him and Vokes up top could in theory be fantastic.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jul 12, 2019 15:44:00 GMT
I'm expecting a good season off this player
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2019 15:44:56 GMT
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Post by dastokie on Jul 12, 2019 15:52:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:53:57 GMT
He speaks very well.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2019 15:55:05 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 12, 2019 15:55:11 GMT
In fairness he does look slimmer and trimmer, same with Shawcross so hopefully fitness won’t be an issue this season. Players must be buying into the new regime
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 12, 2019 16:03:39 GMT
Yeah, either he's a good actor or he is feeling pretty revitalised and confident. Which makes you think why if he's got him, Gregory and Vokes - plus Campbell just who Jones has got his eye on to be replaced by this new bit of "cutting edge"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 16:07:41 GMT
Yeah, either he's a good actor or he is feeling pretty revitalised and confident. Which makes you think why if he's got him, Gregory and Vokes - plus Campbell just who Jones has got his eye on to be replaced by this new bit of "cutting edge"? My only thought is it could be a number 10 he is referring to, would make sense with this bizarre Ince injury announcement.
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Post by xchpotter on Jul 12, 2019 16:08:13 GMT
He’s come across really well in that interview and dare I say it,seems quite articulate for a footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 16:10:29 GMT
Lost 3Kgs over the summer? That's absolutely massive for a pro sportsman to lose that amount.
Fair play.
I can't wait for this season.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 12, 2019 16:23:14 GMT
Good news Lets hope the weight loss is fitness and not stress and depression! :-)
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 12, 2019 17:16:57 GMT
Lost 3Kgs over the summer? That's absolutely massive for a pro sportsman to lose that amount. Fair play. I can't wait for this season. Hopefully that 3kgs will give him a bit of sharpness back as he was rather sluggish. Over training with weights has been an issue in the past for many a footballer which has impacted their short sharp sprints.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 12, 2019 17:21:24 GMT
Whatever her ways hes got he less than lakaku, and they want 75m for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 18:04:45 GMT
Lost 3Kgs over the summer? That's absolutely massive for a pro sportsman to lose that amount. Fair play. I can't wait for this season. Can't complain about someone trying to improve themselves and that's clear from the weight loss. Good on him!
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