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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 7:57:02 GMT
"Both with a pedigree of achieving in this division" Afobe and Williams both have previously ripped this division to bits also. Add to that Tom Ince who also has a great record in this league, Woods who was one of last season's best teams player of the season and its easy to see why he signed those players. There are bigger issues behind the scenes at our club than the players Rowett bought in and I still firmly believe that if he hadn't have cracked under the pressure He would have sorted this squad out and turned us into a force in this division. Let's be honest here and say that Rowett was on a bit of a hiding to nothing really because whatever has been said on here, down at the ground the wolves were at the door from the very start of the season as most expected a swift return back to the premier league, and once we started slowly the crowd were on his and the players backs from the start. This in my opinion is why he lost his head and couldn't handle the pressure. Jones will feel the same heat next season after he's had a bucket full of money to spend if we don't start well, and in my opinion it's far too early to judge whether he's the man who can sort out the mess we are in behind the scenes, because as far as I'm concerned we are no better a side now than what we were under Gary Rowett. Rowett wasn’t on a hiding to nothing at all, he had a sandpit to play in financially and made a complete mess of it. His top targets didn’t fit the system he wanted to play, he completely neglected qualities like pace and creativity and key areas of the side like left back or a proper DM. As a man, he claimed to take responsibility for everything but actually took responsibility for nothing and looked to pass the buck at every opportunity. So he made a few mistakes in his first transfer window with us. In my opinion his only major fuck ups were the loan signings, but like I said at the time and everyone is saying now, it was always going to take more than one window to put the mess he inherited right. It'll be interesting to read the excuses trotted out for Jones if he doesn't get us off and firing next season, because he hasn't improved us one bit so far as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 6, 2019 8:06:12 GMT
Our left back was our best player under rowett. Perhaps he felt he didn't need a left back? I don’t agree with that for a start Dave (and neither did Rowett, who dropped him more than once). You need proper competition in all areas though don’t you? He had no cause to moan about his defence when he signed a right back we didn’t need and neglected to sign a left back when the only cover was Tymon. It's not really something I want debate to be honest. I haven't got all day today  Pieters was playing reasonably well. We had more pressing areas to address than left back, particularly as we had 2 other full backs who could play both sides. Simple facts are rowett was shit. Signing McLean, ince, Adobe, woods, Williams, Martina and clucas were far worse decisions than not signing a left back. |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Apr 6, 2019 8:09:53 GMT
He's an arrogant arsehole.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 6, 2019 8:11:01 GMT
Rowett wasn’t on a hiding to nothing at all, he had a sandpit to play in financially and made a complete mess of it. His top targets didn’t fit the system he wanted to play, he completely neglected qualities like pace and creativity and key areas of the side like left back or a proper DM. As a man, he claimed to take responsibility for everything but actually took responsibility for nothing and looked to pass the buck at every opportunity. So he made a few mistakes in his first transfer window with us. In my opinion his only major fuck ups were the loan signings, but like I said at the time and everyone is saying now, it was always going to take more than one window to put the mess he inherited right. It'll be interesting to read the excuses trotted out for Jones if he doesn't get us off and firing next season, because he hasn't improved us one bit so far as far as I'm concerned. Afobe was a fuck up. He can’t play as a lone striker. McClean was someone he went all out for but he isn’t the kind of winger you play in a 4-3-3. He spent what, £12m on box to box midfielders when we already had plenty and didn’t buy anyone creative in the middle or with much pace throughout the side. That’s more than ‘a few fuck ups’. Jones seems to have the players playing for him, he’s prepared to look at different options including the young players and he seems to know how he wants to play. If once he’s had a window and a pre-season we don’t look like we’re moving in the right direction then he’ll rightly come in for criticism. I’m a lot more excited by what he wants to do, and it’s much more in the vanguard of football in this country at the moment, than Rowett’s dinosaur stylings. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 6, 2019 8:12:06 GMT
I don’t agree with that for a start Dave (and neither did Rowett, who dropped him more than once). You need proper competition in all areas though don’t you? He had no cause to moan about his defence when he signed a right back we didn’t need and neglected to sign a left back when the only cover was Tymon. It's not really something I want debate to be honest. I haven't got all day today Pieters was playing reasonably well. We had more pressing areas to address than left back, particularly as we had 2 other full backs who could play both sides. Simple facts are rowett was shit. Signing McLean, ince, Adobe, woods, Williams, Martina and clucas were far worse decisions than not signing a left back. They were all bad decisions. You need more than one viable option in every position. |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 6, 2019 8:14:45 GMT
Thanks for that slicko, I've listened and it only confirms my view.
When he came to Stoke I listened to what he had to say and was impressed initially. As interview after interview occurred during the summer I started to think "This guy can talk and talk i hope he can live up to all the theorising, and explaining what he believes works, etc. With my >30 years as a manager, I started to suspect he was a bit of a "bullsh...er". But I decided to hold judgement until I saw how the team performed.
He stuck out to sign McClean which lead me to think this man must be good and Rowett is determined to get him.
The pre-season was dreadful, nothing was done till very late to address strengthening what had been the worst defence in the Prem. despite Lambert's best efforts. Eventually we signed 2 Everton rejects - I'm not impressed. But I agree that it is best to wait for the proper games.
The season started dreadfully and by now every post match interview made me think more and more that the guy is out of his depth he has never achieved anything. People referred to his time at Derby when performances actually got worse after the January transfer window. The only time the team played well was when they started to losing, which made me think the players were playing to redeem their self respect and fear of a drubbing, not because of any tactics by Rowett.
When we went 2 down to a very poor Rotherham side I decided enough was enough he had to go, and even though we went on a long undefeated run the football was dreadfully bad and all his signings were proving failures. McClean no talent just all huff and puff, Ince talented in one foot and bone idle, Afobe blew hot and cold, Woods started well and went down hill rapidly (not the sign of being well managed). I don't think Etebo was a Rowett signing and I am prepared to give Clucas a long time as he has had a major knee operation, but stamping on a fellow professional is not what I want in a Stoke player.
I had made my mind up before the management/opinions of his individual players like Bauer, Edwards, Bojan, Crouch started to be publicised. Those "incidents" only made me think what a poor man manager he must be.
Here he is again, in the media, mouthing off. What quality manager does that?. That interview just confirms my opinion that he is an empty can that makes a lot of noise.
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Post by SCFC92 on Apr 6, 2019 8:17:46 GMT
The way that he chastised the fans towards the end of his tenure is unforgivable and a mark of the character of the bloke.
However he is of no consequence to this club anymore, and in actual fact has absolutely no history with the club other than failing to deliver on the championships largest budget. In 5-10 years time his tenure will pale into insignificance along with Lambert et al.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 6, 2019 8:22:36 GMT
It's not really something I want debate to be honest. I haven't got all day today Pieters was playing reasonably well. We had more pressing areas to address than left back, particularly as we had 2 other full backs who could play both sides. Simple facts are rowett was shit. Signing McLean, ince, Adobe, woods, Williams, Martina and clucas were far worse decisions than not signing a left back. They were all bad decisions. You need more than one viable option in every position. 20 players wont offer that to Jones will it? We are in the championship. Maybe we cant afford 2 players for every position? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 6, 2019 8:25:29 GMT
They were all bad decisions. You need more than one viable option in every position. 20 players wont offer that to Jones will it? We are in the championship. Maybe we cant afford 2 players for every position? He’ll probably have one or two utility men, assuming he was including the goalkeepers in his 20 man statement. The full backs are going to be among the most important men in his side so I’d bet my bottom dollar on him having some decent options there. |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 6, 2019 8:26:28 GMT
Rowett wasn’t on a hiding to nothing at all, he had a sandpit to play in financially and made a complete mess of it. His top targets didn’t fit the system he wanted to play, he completely neglected qualities like pace and creativity and key areas of the side like left back or a proper DM. As a man, he claimed to take responsibility for everything but actually took responsibility for nothing and looked to pass the buck at every opportunity. So he made a few mistakes in his first transfer window with us. In my opinion his only major fuck ups were the loan signings, but like I said at the time and everyone is saying now, it was always going to take more than one window to put the mess he inherited right. It'll be interesting to read the excuses trotted out for Jones if he doesn't get us off and firing next season, because he hasn't improved us one bit so far as far as I'm concerned. Rowett and Jones are as different as chalk and cheese. The only similarity is they both walked into a dreadful set up. But Rowett arrived in May had all summer to get his squad organized. His signings were poor, his tactics were poor, and his end product was very mediocre. I'm quite sure the way things started to deteriorate just before he was sacked we would have been heading for relegation. Jones tried different things when he arrived and quickly discovered how bad his players were. But took action to remove tired legs and give youth a chance. He has patiently given Rowett's signings every chance to improve themselves, but they haven't. It is the other players Butland, Shawcross, Edwards, Allen, and Etebo who have improved under Jones and made the difference. I'm confident Jones will get the team playing very well once he has replaced Rowett's dead legs. If he can get Vokes and Bojan back to their best we might yet actually get some excellent football this season. |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 6, 2019 8:33:11 GMT
I didn't have any problem with him. Would we be in a worse position in the table if he was still here..I doubt it. Think he would have got us up next season. I must admit i find NJ a bit more exciting, but the results are certainly not at the moment.
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Post by nenepotter on Apr 6, 2019 8:45:56 GMT
When a manager devalues the club's assets by telling the media they are finished , his employers would be fuming. To then make negative comments about the fans (customers) didn't help and this probably finished him. Poor performer, total idiot.
He may learn from this experience but he is from a managerial style that no longer works and includes Mourinho.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 6, 2019 8:55:55 GMT
I am amused at those posters who thought Rowett spoke well and bought into his seeingly forthright and open comments. But if anyone listened carefully many of his interviews were laced with sneeky little pops at players and fans.
He thought too much of himself as a manager and should have been smart enough to leave those thoughts to himself. It made him look a complete arsehole and it cost him his job.
He's definitely an ok manager but jeez who in their right mind who has wedded themselves to 4-3-3 believes Ince Afobe and McClean are the dream team in a front three. wtf!
Once again with Jones people are liking the way he talks. But the jury is very much still out for me. He has made us hard to beat but so did Lambert and Rowett. But his teams shots on goal record is pretty abysmal and quite possibly one of the worst in this poor league.
Jones really needs to show he can win games and not just draw them as he edges ever closer to Lambert and Kamara stats.
As for the 'it's not his team' excuse, many managers come into a new club with no transfer window and have an immediate impact. Bruce and Smith being just two in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 8:56:10 GMT
he'd still be in a job if he'd been smarter with his words.
it wasn't the results that finished him off (no matter how boring)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 6, 2019 8:56:47 GMT
I don’t agree with that for a start Dave (and neither did Rowett, who dropped him more than once). You need proper competition in all areas though don’t you? He had no cause to moan about his defence when he signed a right back we didn’t need and neglected to sign a left back when the only cover was Tymon. It's not really something I want debate to be honest. I haven't got all day today Pieters was playing reasonably well. We had more pressing areas to address than left back, particularly as we had 2 other full backs who could play both sides. Simple facts are rowett was shit. Signing McLean, ince, Adobe, woods, Williams, Martina and clucas were far worse decisions than not signing a left back. Martina just seems like some horrific nightmare now doesn't he. Was he real? |
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Post by misii30 on Apr 6, 2019 8:57:12 GMT
20 players wont offer that to Jones will it? We are in the championship. Maybe we cant afford 2 players for every position? He’ll probably have one or two utility men, assuming he was including the goalkeepers in his 20 man statement. The full backs are going to be among the most important men in his side so I’d bet my bottom dollar on him having some decent options there. He was quoted saying 20 outfield players plus 3 goalkeepers so the tight group of 20 is in fact 23. Not really any leaner squad than the one we have now. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Apr 6, 2019 9:10:59 GMT
I liked rowett and think eventually he may of got us there but once you take on the support you’re finished ....and he did several times Bolton away finished him I don’t mind him, I’m sure he’s a nice guy and I’m sure things would have got better in time. But the pressure got to him massively. He said things he wouldn’t normally say which left things untenable. |
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Post by Northy on Apr 6, 2019 9:14:56 GMT
I got bored of it after 5 minutes
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 9:22:46 GMT
He's the worst manager we've had in my lifetime. He had a premier league squad, he was given the biggest budget in the league by a country mile. No manager in the championship has ever been backed like that, and he absolutely fucked it up. He's a fucking moron and has no business calling himself a football manager Are you 12? I was there through all those years man. Through those dark periods, I think of Alan Ball and Chris Kamara, and they had to work on very small budgets. I cannot believe that I saw a manager come to a club that just got relegated from the prem, was told he could keep anyone he wanted except for shaqiri, was given a budget ten times higher that the teams currently at the top of the league, and took us to 17th. It is staggering, the level of incompetence is unsurpassed in our history. Living up here, the disparity in our budget with the vast majority of other teams in our league, is even greater than celtic v the rest of the spl other than Rangers. If Rowett were boss of celtic they'd be troubling the relegation spots up here. The man is a complete charlatan and will surely never be given another job in football |
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 6, 2019 9:27:31 GMT
20 players wont offer that to Jones will it? We are in the championship. Maybe we cant afford 2 players for every position? He’ll probably have one or two utility men, assuming he was including the goalkeepers in his 20 man statement. The full backs are going to be among the most important men in his side so I’d bet my bottom dollar on him having some decent options there. Think I'm right in saying he said 20 outfield players plus three goalkeepers so it's exactly that. When you factor in players like Clucas who can play in several positions you wonder why there is ever any need for a bigger squad at a club like Stoke. I do assume his 20 will include some of the young players. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 6, 2019 9:28:30 GMT
Arrogant man who did a terrible job at Stoke.
Nothing in that long presentation does anything to change my view, on the contrary my views are strengthened.
I did laugh at the justification of specialist coaches: "Kev got Saido scoring".
Unless you've got a lot of time to fill I wouldn't bother listening.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 6, 2019 9:53:27 GMT
Thought he spoke a lot of sense and told it pretty much as it was ( this disrespecting supporters stuff is nonsense ) but his signings let him down and the football was dross .
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Post by lordb on Apr 6, 2019 10:02:45 GMT
He’ll probably have one or two utility men, assuming he was including the goalkeepers in his 20 man statement. The full backs are going to be among the most important men in his side so I’d bet my bottom dollar on him having some decent options there. Think I'm right in saying he said 20 outfield players plus three goalkeepers so it's exactly that. When you factor in players like Clucas who can play in several positions you wonder why there is ever any need for a bigger squad at a club like Stoke. I do assume his 20 will include some of the young players. Yes he said 20 outfield players |
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 6, 2019 10:04:16 GMT
Haven’t listened to it all, but interesting that he know he fucked up taking on the fans and not controlling his emotions in post match interviews.
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 6, 2019 10:18:00 GMT
Thought he spoke a lot of sense and told it pretty much as it was ( this disrespecting supporters stuff is nonsense ) but his signings let him down and the football was dross . As Murray Walker once said: " those that can, do, those that can't, talk about it"One of Murray's more intelligent quotes. Rowett can't manage, he can only talk about it. His signings have proved to be very mediocre, despite paying top dollar for them. The only surprise is West Brom seemed reluctant to let McClean go, maybe they thought he would be OK for the Championship. Wolves couldn't let Afobe move on fast enough. Ince will be playing for his 8th club next season; his father will butter someone up to persuade them to give him a go. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 6, 2019 10:24:47 GMT
Rowett inherited a broken squad and over inflated expectations. He didn't help himself by coming over as arrogant and the football was pretty dull and functional. However he stabilised the club and saved us from another relegation battle.
The abuse he got was uncalled for and hounding him out of the club probably cost us an outside chance of a play off place (although going up this season would probably have been a disaster - we're miles off being Premier League ready). The whinging about him having a pop at the fans is pathetic - if you can't take it don't dish it.
Having said that I'm far more enthused by Jones as our manager. He's finding his feet and it could all go horribly wrong but if he does get it right (and there are signs he just might) we'll be far more fun to watch than we would ever have been under Rowett.
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Post by robstokie on Apr 6, 2019 11:25:04 GMT
I personally thought Rowett deserved at least until the end of the season. Don't get me wrong, some of his decisions baffled me, and he lost the fans around Christmas, but after a shaky start, he got us organised and at least beating a few teams in and around us. I think a lot of people, Rowett, the board, the squad and a large portion of the fans under-estimated this division and thought chucking money at the squad to buy 'names' with enough pedigree at this level would paper over the cracks of having an ageing squad full of mercenaries, crocks and losers.
Don't get me wrong, the change in direction talk by Nathan and those in and around the club is encouraging to hear - but that's all it is - talk. The acid test will be if we're looking to cut the dead wood and looking to bring in younger, hungrier players in the summer.
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Post by stokeson on Apr 6, 2019 11:46:13 GMT
Never liked him .Just seems to be a better manager than Jones on current form.(fact)
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Post by milky on Apr 6, 2019 11:55:37 GMT
Best manager we have had for a while and 1 of the few managers capable of keeping the squad he inherited in this divison. Absolute horse shit |
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Post by milky on Apr 6, 2019 11:58:35 GMT
Decent bloke and a good manager for certain clubs in certain situations.
Was never a good fit for us and very early it showed he couldn't handle the expectations.
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Pieters was playing reasonably well. We had more pressing areas to address than left back, particularly as we had 2 other full backs who could play both sides.
