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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 16, 2019 11:06:44 GMT
It’s quite alarming how someone with the nickname “Sparky” can devolve into such a meek, spineless tosser.
Completely tarnished the good work he did here, nothing but contempt for the hopeless quim.
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Post by block23 on Mar 16, 2019 11:13:45 GMT
I haven't listened yet, Before I do is this just another washed up player who took millions out of the club absenting himself of any blame for our demise? it is just that. Stoke fans lapping it up though. Agreed, but a lot of people latch on to anything that fits their views, e.g., if a player said anything bad about TP, it had to be true in some people’s eyes, the good stuff is ignored. After being bored and pissed off for 3 years, I really think we all need to just move on. Stop booing players for every mistake and try to bring some fun back into watching football, however shit we are,
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Post by ashleyscfc on Mar 16, 2019 11:17:50 GMT
It’s farcical. And for that spineless twat to claim he’s at the training ground every week makes me sick.
Is there going to be anti Scholes and Cartwright chants today?
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Post by fca47 on Mar 16, 2019 11:22:07 GMT
Great players don't always, well seldom do, make great managers. They are self motivated, but don't understand why other players lack the desire . Not exactly the same thing but I was watching the video of Stoke away to Derby in 2012. You see the determination of Huth to get to the balls in the penalty area and the wingers desire to get past the fullbacks and you compare that to the half hearted display we saw the other night. Our recruitment of players has been absolutely dreadful. We obviously have to pay more attention to character when recruiting. Hughes recruited some fantastically skilful players but couldn't manage them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 16, 2019 11:33:37 GMT
It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons. He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude. Absolutely, it was an unfathomable decision even at the time.
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2019 12:03:05 GMT
It doesn’t happen often, granted, but it nevertheless rather undermines Johnson’s point. If it was someone who’d given their all and been one of the ones busting a gut I could go with it, it just sticks in the throat that he was every inch one of the worst performers over that godawful last couple of seasons. He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude. Again with hindsight ( not you personally ) Bardsley was a Mb villain back then who had thread after thread slating him and we needed to get one off the books The one who went was Bardsley because we got a bid of over £1m for him, we didn’t get a bid for Johnson otherwise who knows?
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 16, 2019 12:12:22 GMT
it is just that. Stoke fans lapping it up though. Do you not think that any of what he says is true then? It probably is to some extent, I just can't have wankers like Johnson and Adam slating the club when they were just as bad as the people they are laying into. Like the majority of footballers, it's always someone else's fault.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 12:13:04 GMT
He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude. Again with hindsight ( not you personally ) Bardsley was a Mb villain back then who had thread after thread slating him and we needed to get one off the books The one who went was Bardsley because we got a bid of over £1m for him, we didn’t get a bid for Johnson otherwise who knows? So we sold him because he was a MB villain and we got over a measly £1m ? Glen Johnson I would wage had more stick than Bardsley on here and cost us over £1m in wages and fcuk up's, it was a ridiculous decision one among many by Mark and his team.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 12:17:53 GMT
Poor Nathan having worked his socks off to turn things round this season can look forward to having to meet the mighty Imbula, Wimmer and N'diaye on the first day of pre season. Have a good summer Nathan! Jones will surely keep them away from the rest of the group. Signing Batth and Vokes looks very shrewd when you consider the dynamic of the squad
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 12:21:29 GMT
Poor Nathan having worked his socks off to turn things round this season can look forward to having to meet the mighty Imbula, Wimmer and N'diaye on the first day of pre season. Have a good summer Nathan! Add Berahino to those three and we have over £50m worth of totally unusable talent, nothing wrong with the process though.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Mar 16, 2019 12:22:29 GMT
He was and the fact that he was given a 12 month contract extension, whilst Bardsley who is still playing premiership football,was shown the door,further highlights the management teams ineptitude. The Beardsley sale was ridiculous considering who we kept / bought in. We'd have stayed up with Beardsley mate, absolute goal machine
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Post by werrington on Mar 16, 2019 12:36:20 GMT
Again with hindsight ( not you personally ) Bardsley was a Mb villain back then who had thread after thread slating him and we needed to get one off the books The one who went was Bardsley because we got a bid of over £1m for him, we didn’t get a bid for Johnson otherwise who knows? So we sold him because he was a MB villain and we got over a measly £1m ? Glen Johnson I would wage had more stick than Bardsley on here and cost us over £1m in wages and fcuk up's, it was a ridiculous decision one among many by Mark and his team. The fuck are you on about?
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Post by rawli on Mar 16, 2019 13:19:19 GMT
I always thought Johnson had a much better first season with us than I expected but after that was dreadful. However if he had become as disillusioned as he says why would he put in the effort when poor attitude players are getting away with it? Out of interest how many of the good eggs had a dip in form? Certainly it explains Shawcross and his apparent lack of caring when a goal was conceded. There is nothing more demotivating than seeing other people getting away with a blatant disregard for rules and ethics while you are trying your best but feel you are being criticised for every mistake and small dismineanor. He was a good signing up until he got injured at Portsmouth. Then he became a liability. Don't blame him for signing an extension which he was more surprised than anyone to receive.
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Post by tony1234 on Mar 16, 2019 14:21:50 GMT
I understand what he's saying and agree with what many posters have said, that the board and Hughes should come under fire for letting it happen. But we keep hearing from these ex-players and seasoned pros that were supposedly working hard to keep us afloat. They also weren't good enough last year. It's all well and good throwing Shaqiri under the bus, but he did more last season than most of the team combined. The seasoned, 'good for the locker room' characters weren't big enough. True enough, but culture is the bedrock of many organisations for the reason that it determines what happens in so many other areas, and ultimately whether it works together on a common purpose. To your pt2:- Let's assume that within the game reputations and news travels - so other players in the game would know what was happening at Stoke If you were a good pro, would you then come to a club where the Board were utterly incompetent, the Chairman illogical and deluded, the manager had lost the players and players didn't care? If you were a good and ambitious manager, would you come to a club where the Board told you you needed to work with a set of players who you knew were feckless and thick? And your Chairman was deluded? If you were still at the club and had ambition to do well, or even just to be your best, would you want to stay around? So, for perhaps 3-4-5? windows, we couldn't get players that were both good characters AND good players. So, the culture and having players that weren't good enough, both as players and characters, are acually from one and the same cause. And meanwhile - if you already here and a player that was neither the leader type nor a feckless shit, would it be getting you to be the best you could be to be in an environment like that? And if you were a feckless shit, why would you ever want to move on? Ultimately, people have to take responsibility for their own behaviour, but the culture and environment are so important in sport. In some ways, it was miraculous that we got a point when we were so toxic. Puts Lambert and Rowett's efforts into a new context.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 14:31:34 GMT
Do you not think that any of what he says is true then? It probably is to some extent, I just can't have wankers like Johnson and Adam slating the club when they were just as bad as the people they are laying into. Like the majority of footballers, it's always someone else's fault. Fair enough and I don't disagree with that sentiment to be honest, I just didn't think your comment about Stoke fans lapping it up was warranted, when pretty much everyone knows that Johnson was as much to blame as the others.
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Post by stantheman on Mar 16, 2019 17:36:11 GMT
His description of Imbula subbing himself on and off in a pre-season friendly beacause Charlie Adam chose another option than passing to him..and the “management “ said and did nothing. It would be hilarious if it was any other team , but it isn’t, so it is just plain annoying how such a culture was allowed to be created and not stamped out. They did do something.....loaned him out. That doesnt excuse anything. They paid a club record for a complete twat, and let him get away with murder.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 16, 2019 17:42:29 GMT
The Beardsley sale was ridiculous considering who we kept / bought in. We'd have stayed up with Beardsley mate, absolute goal machine The defending would have been better if he stayed.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 16, 2019 17:45:58 GMT
We'd have stayed up with Beardsley mate, absolute goal machine The defending would have been better if he stayed. We agree on something if there is any one who believes Hughes made the right choice over this they really do need to stop following football.
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 16, 2019 18:00:06 GMT
Man, this makes my blood boil. His comments confirm exactly what the performances on the pitch showed. Hughes is a club destroyer. He only had the decent seasons he had via the mix of Pulis' 'ard workers combined with his ability to attract some more creative players like Arnie and Bojan. As soon as he stamped his personality fully on the squad things started going obviously wrong.. well I say 'obvious' but it appears that it wasn't to the 'manager' or the board. How fucking blind!!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Mar 16, 2019 19:39:27 GMT
Glenn Johnson regularly used to catch the 5.50 train back to London after games he had played in so I am not sure he would be in the 8 or 9 leaders he cites. Seems he was pretty keen to get off as quickly as possible no hanging around for any post-match discussion or bonding. If he is really such a good honest pro he could have turned down the contract
Similarly with Charlie, a bit less media and a bit more fitness work would not have gone amiss.
Lot of PR spin here. Doesn’t excuse poor management but helps no-one
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Post by starkiller on Mar 16, 2019 19:56:31 GMT
Poor Nathan having worked his socks off to turn things round this season can look forward to having to meet the mighty Imbula, Wimmer and N'diaye on the first day of pre season. Have a good summer Nathan! These cunts should be made to break rocks until their contract is finished.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Mar 16, 2019 21:08:40 GMT
All happening on the watch of a chief executive paid significantly , very significantly to manage the club , there is no excuse none , he and his team should have gone before we were relegated , if not then during the root and branch review the fact they remain , is why are trajectory remains the same , I’m honestly dreading the mess they will ,create this summer
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 16, 2019 21:48:17 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. Mozzer I for one hope you don’t get shit for what I believe is “a read behind the lines” post. I understand the reality of not naming name’s. Biographies will spill the beans in the future and there is no doubt there will be critiscism IMHO we recruited over a significant period of time absolute “no mark” individuals who had no conception whatsoever of the term “professionalism” Self greed and importance being their hallmark. How the hell we moved from being a club with identity (professional professionals) to club with a significant number of charlatans I simply can’t comprehend. Front of the queue is Scholes with lap dog Cartwright
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 1:01:05 GMT
If anything we got worse under Lambert and his over reliance on Shaqiri, we just didn't grind out results.
The dross were Cheapy Motor, Berahinnebriated, Shaqiri, jese and Zouma.
On arrival Bauer flattered to deceive and as for Ndiaye what a poor signing that was.
As for Johson he went missing until the end of the season and the only thing I remember him doing was wasting a free kick right on the edge of the penalty box, in one of our big games.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2019 1:10:16 GMT
Man, this makes my blood boil. His comments confirm exactly what the performances on the pitch showed. Hughes is a club destroyer. He only had the decent seasons he had via the mix of Pulis' 'ard workers combined with his ability to attract some more creative players like Arnie and Bojan. As soon as he stamped his personality fully on the squad things started going obviously wrong.. well I say 'obvious' but it appears that it wasn't to the 'manager' or the board. How fucking blind!! Agree. The moment he said he didn’t think about the job once he left work, I knew we were in trouble. He didn’t learn a damned thing from his own experience under Fergie, who famously couldn’t be found for the press conference after he had won the European Cup because he had gone for a walk to think how he could make things better. I never wanted him because the last time I saw him before he joined Stoke was when the QPR fans chanted “you don’t know what you’re doing” at the BET365.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2019 1:12:38 GMT
If anything we got worse under Lambert and his over reliance on Shaqiri, we just didn't grind out results. The dross were Cheapy Motor, Berahinnebriated, Shaqiri, jese and Zouma. On arrival Bauer flattered to deceive and as for Ndiaye what a poor signing that was. As for Johson he went missing until the end of the season and the only thing I remember him doing was wasting a free kick right on the edge of the penalty box, in one of our big games. He said he wanted to retire and they offered him a new contract anyway. BRILLIANT management.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 1:21:41 GMT
He said he wanted to retire and they offered him a new contract anyway. BRILLIANT management.[/quote] yes the decent thing for Johnson to have done was gone to the club in November or December 2017 and told them to rip up his contract and free up his wages to get in a loan striker which we desperately needed, im bloody sure there was someone in the championship ageing who had never played in the premiership and wanted to give it a go who could have bagged a couple of goals, that miss mama made in front of an open goal still gives me nightmares
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Post by kustokie on Mar 17, 2019 1:22:23 GMT
Yes mate I await those posts🙄 Those three 9th places mean fuck all looking back, as far as I'm concerned. Mark Hughes is a fucking twat and an absolutely fucking wank manager who I can honestly say, i wish he'd never set foot into our football club, because the "Good times" weren't worth the absolute shit show he made and left us with. Waddo won us the LC in ‘72 - let’s dig him up.
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Post by richardparker on Mar 17, 2019 10:51:40 GMT
There has been people on here, myself included who have been intimating that these problems existed within the club as far back as two years ago.....and to some extent they still do, yet the dicks on here were burying their head in the sand and calling people out because people would not give the exact specifics of the low life within the club or out their source's, Pejic was ridiculed for daring to mention underlying problems on his radio commentary, Lawrence was lauded as an attention seeking media whore for recently putting it on supporters radar, Charlie Adam was branded a tosser for spouting on talk shite, but now some of the truth is starting to come out and these rose tinted spectacle wearing knobs are in for a huge shock if as I suspect the right stories come out over time, if I was a pro footy player I would not want to be associated with the shower of shit that we had during this period of time. Remember the behind closed doors match against Brum where we had a warm up for Wilfred Bony, that is where he is talking about Imbula going off in a sulk because he did not get a pass that he thought he should of received, he then deciding that he was coming back on and no one said a fucking dickie they let him come and go as he pleased...during a game and it doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors it was a game of footy, I knew all about that incident and I also know a guest that was there at the time turned to Crouchy on the touch line and asked ..."what the fuck is he doing", crouchy shrugged his shoulders and said "oooh he always does it if things don't go his way".....plus a lot more that I wouldn't put on here out of respect for crouch who was 1 of the 8 model pros that he also talks about. Think back to all the photos that appeared on Instagram from a certain few with the same old faces appering in that group, think of a group of players that were virtually overnight shipped out of the club and some are still on our books at other clubs, think of long spells of unexplained injuries with players that were supposedly first team regulars, this was the time that some of the damage was starting to be repaired because we were rotten to the fucking core and players were being separated from the group in hope that we could gel as a team, hopefully some of the dressing room is getting back to where it should be but it was a split war zone of a dressing room not so long ago, names that thought they were bigger than the club that in all honesty were fucking shit week in week out and took our premier league status from us. Impossible to read this with what's going on at the side of the thread. Sure it's bang on the money though!
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Post by richardparker on Mar 17, 2019 10:57:04 GMT
Time to start bringing in players who'd run through walls for the club. Makes you realise how important Whelan and Walters were in those heady days of top flight football!
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